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The Islamic and Christian views of Jesus... (How Obama Can be Muslim but Claim Christianity)
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Posted on 08/20/2010 10:07:57 AM PDT by xzins

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To: combat_boots

If he receives a divine visitation, that should not be seen as a complement, but as one of the most severe predecessors of Divine Discipline. Grace precedes His discipline. I pray Obama comes to God far in advance of any such a Divine visitation.


61 posted on 08/20/2010 9:07:00 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: xzins

One weakness in the analysis is that Islam prefers to follow the testimony of a person who lived over 600 years after Christ, instead of those who walked with Him, and reported concurrently from different perspectives, consistently of His Incarnation.

IMHO, any belief system regarding Christianity and Christ must be consistent with that eyewitness testimony, and doctrine regarding the sufficiency of Scripture would argue even moreso to the same effect.


62 posted on 08/20/2010 9:10:41 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: HarleyD; xzins; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe; RnMomof7; the_conscience; Gamecock; ...
I think he's an atheist who sees the quickest way of destroying Christianity is to introduce Muslims to the US. After all, look what has happened to Britain.

Somebody posted the following link awhile ago. It's seven chilling minutes well-spent.

MUSLIM DEMOGRAPHICS

63 posted on 08/20/2010 9:14:56 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Forest Keeper

ROTFLOL. Poor George.


64 posted on 08/20/2010 9:16:58 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Cvengr
EXCELLENT POINTS.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
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OH COME ALL YE FAITHFUL
IL DIVO
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65 posted on 08/20/2010 9:29:26 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: HarleyD; xzins; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; RnMomof7; the_conscience; Gamecock; ...
There is a leftist movement in this country to destroy Christianity.

They have always suffered from hubris to the point they can't conceive of anything bigger than themselves. Each generation is moving a little bit more away from the Biblical foundation that made us the greatest free nation in the history of man. They have done this through the school systems.

Our schools don't teach about the character of the individuals who created this country or the role that Christianity had in it. American Exceptionalism is not taught and has been replaced with secular humanism and the romanticizing of every barbaric pagan society they can find.

I don't think Obama is a Muslim.

I don't doubt for a second that he is, but his pagan beliefs are secondary to his liberal ideology and hatred of successful people. He is the fulfillment of the liberal academic dream.

His victories will be pyrhic because as Rick Santelli said on CNBC today when he was asked why he was smiling after all the negative economic data had been reported,"because the American people are awake".

66 posted on 08/20/2010 9:37:06 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: blue-duncan
They speak it and now He makes them swim in it.

LOLOL! The best line of the day (and it's been a long day.)

67 posted on 08/20/2010 9:55:24 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wmfights
They have done this through the school systems.

Amen! Abraham Lincoln didn't go to college. Education is much over-rated. It's a self-perpetuating racket.

I used to think learning was the reason we attend school and push our kids to excel, but real knowledge is far down on the list. Instead, we are taught to become compliant, orderly, non-threatening, unquestioning and aggressively conformist to the liberal agenda.

68 posted on 08/20/2010 10:09:30 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wmfights; xzins; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; RnMomof7; the_conscience; Gamecock; ...
I believe that Obama is just your run of the mill Liberal Christian or Post-Modern Elitist. No real philosophical difference between the two nomenclatures.

He joins a black liberation church to fight oppression from the Crackers because the struggle against this oppression helps progress the kingdom of God.

In an interview with the Chicago Sun Times prior to his election he expressed the old liberal christian belief that there are many paths to the same place.

Thus his affinity for Islam is not incongruent to him but rather his experiences of being a son of a Muslim is just a path by which he can experience God.

Because God is merely within he feels that he possesses a level of divinity. Like his belief about Christ, that Christ was the human most in touch with this inner divinity, he too believes his actions are divine and above reproach.

69 posted on 08/20/2010 11:31:41 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: bibletruth

Excellent post and bible truth.

But, do you see how this islamic position on Jesus could be used by a muslim attendee of a liberal church to also call himself a christian?


70 posted on 08/21/2010 4:13:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: HarleyD
I think he's an atheist who sees the quickest way of destroying Christianity is to introduce Muslims to the US

Definitely a thought worth considering.

71 posted on 08/21/2010 4:15:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Instead, we are taught to become compliant, orderly, non-threatening, unquestioning and aggressively conformist to the liberal agenda.

And if you want to get ahead in the govt. bureaucracy, or a GSE, non-profit, or fortune 500 co. you continue this through out your life. The largest % of jobs in this country are created in small businesses with 200 or fewer employees. Typically what you see in the creators and executives of these businesses is just the opposite.

The book "The Millionaire Next Door" studies these people. One thing that jumps out about them is over 90% of them place a higher value on integrity then anything else. The other trait that they hold in highest regard is personal responsibility. IOW, this is where the conservative base is not in the large academic complex.

72 posted on 08/21/2010 8:35:41 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights
The other trait that they hold in highest regard is personal responsibility. IOW, this is where the conservative base is not in the large academic complex.

Yep. The academic "it takes a village" crowd figures the village will pay for everything.

73 posted on 08/21/2010 9:44:26 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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