The Islamic and Christian views of Jesus... (How Obama Can be Muslim but Claim Christianity)

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[Dr. Eckleburg]

Yes, he is nothing if not a creature of expediency.

And he’s on another vacation, this time to Martha’s Vineyard. How about saving tax payers some money and heading to Camp David? Or to some stricken area that might need the big bucks he’s spending, like the Gulf Coast?

Obama is truly tone deaf. I’m just surprised that apparently everyone else around him is, too.

[Christian_Capitalist]

Thanks for the ping!

[TSgt]

Man that picture makes me angry.

[xzins]

a means to unite disparate groups. He uses it more as a tool for power than as a personal approach to his god

All of this does make one wonder who his god is. Just as easy to give a head-fake to islam as it is to Christianity. As a communist he would believe in the collision of economic forces. Ultimately, I think we'll conclude that he believes in his own divinity. Which explains why he's so eager to throw anyone and anything under the bus.

[xzins]

I always asked myself, who given the chance to save his life by simply re-affirming that Mohammed is prophet, would prefer death?

They do exist, and they deserve our prayer. Thank you for the reminder.

[TSgt]

Would one of you mind pinging the Catholic ping list?

Perhaps a this is a thread that all Christian faiths could come to some consensus?

Or is that just crazy talk? ;-)

TGIF and FRegards,

TSgt

[wagglebee]

Excellent thread, thanks for posting it.

Obama’s claims of being a Christian have always reminded me of the blatantly homosexual celebrities and their “lavender marriages.”

[marron]

Perhaps a this is a thread that all Christian faiths could come to some consensus?

No need. The muslims have already come to a consensus. Whether you are Greek, Roman, or West Texas Baptist, the muslims see us all the same.

And when a muslim accepts Christ, they don't ask him which sect before they lop off his head.

[Natural Law]

"Would one of you mind pinging the Catholic ping list?"

I'm not going to do it because I don't want to participate in or contribute another Catholic bashing exercise. I've already spent way too much time explaining JPII's Abrahamic God reference in these threads.

[TSgt]

There was no malice in my request but if you believe it could turn into a raging Protestant vs Catholic war then I understand.

Just trying to lighten the mood.

It’s Friday Natural Law!

FRegards,

TSgt

[blue-duncan]

“And he’s on another vacation, this time to Martha’s Vineyard”

Portions of Tisbury Great Pond, the salt-water lagoon fronting the first family’s vacation estate Blue Heron Farm, were closed earlier this week due to high levels of enterococci, an indicator that the water is contaminated with fecal coliform bacteria.

Our God has a great sense of irony. This reminds me of God’s attack on the gods of Egypt and Philistine. He defeats them with their own strengths; here it is ....

They speak it and now He makes them swim in it.

[Natural Law]

No problem. I would be more than happy to talk politics, war stories, and tell ribald jokes over a beer or 6 with you, though.

If we are on FR it is because we are conservative Americans. Its about time we all discussed the 95%+ we have in common instead of concentrating on the few things we differ on.

[TSgt]

Spot-on and I would be the first to buy you a beer though I must admit I don’t drink much which makes me a bit of a lightweight.

Enjoy your weekend!

TSgt

[Wings-n-Wind]

His lips say one thing, but everything else screams: “Obama is a Muslim”.

I’d be tempted to say, “typical politician”, but this is dangerous.

We don’t need a president who worships a false god (allah),

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You can say that again.!!

We don’t need a president who worships a false god (allah),

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An excellent summary thought... WELL SAID!

[bibletruth]

1. Do Muslims believe he was a Messenger of One God? YES

Belief in all of the Prophets and Messengers of God is a fundamental article of faith in Islam. Thus, believing in Prophets Adam, Jesus, Moses, and Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon them) is a requirement for anyone who calls him or herself a Muslim. A person claiming to be a Muslim who, for instance, denies the Messengership of Jesus, is not considered a Muslim.

The Quran says in reference to the status of Jesus as a Messenger:

"The Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger before whom many Messengers have passed away; and his mother adhered wholly to truthfulness, and they both ate food (as other mortals do). See how We make Our signs clear to them; and see where they are turning away!" (Quran 5:75).

ANSWER:

Your first point proves that all Muslims REJECT the True Living Christ Jesus. Since the Quran falsely states that Jesus "was no more than a Messenger before whom many Messengers have passed away". That statement alone DENIES the truth of Christ Jesus. The Bible calls Jesus THE TRUTH, THE LIFE, etc. Jesus Christ is not limited to a simple Messenger of many before him.

Jesus Christ and God the Father ARE ONE! Jesus Christ is from God and He IS GOD!

Read John 10:30 which says: "I [Jesus] and my Father are ONE".

Read 1 John 5:7 which says "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word [Jesus], and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Anyone who rejects these truths, as the Quran and Muslims and Obama all do: Jesus Christ says {not I} in John 9:41 "therefore your sin remains"... that is Jesus speaking, not I. If you have a complaint about that, then take it up with God Almighty and HIS SON Jesus Christ - the Messiah - ONE WITH GOD.

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear sister in Christ!

[Forest Keeper]

I gave him the benefit of the doubt before the election and assumed he was a Christian. I no longer believe that.

His actions really do speak louder than his words. I wonder if he would even notice if one day the wind suddenly blew his Bible open to this page:

Matt. 7:15-20 : 15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

If he did notice, his first thought would probably be "I'd better send this to George Bush".

[Alamo-Girl]

Sad but true dear brother in Christ!

[HarleyD]

There is a leftist movement in this country to destroy Christianity. The ACLU will rally around trying to get rid of Christians saying prayers at commencements or removing the Ten Commandments from public buildings all in the name of separation of church and state. Yet they won't say anything about Muslim clerics going on government sponsored trips abroad. Obama is no different. He'll say how it's only right to allow a mosque to be built near ground zero, yet he was the first president to not sign a national day of prayer proclamation since it's inception. And have they expedited the Greek Orthodox church that was destroyed in the 9/11 blast?

I don't think Obama is a Muslim. I think he's an atheist who sees the quickest way of destroying Christianity is to introduce Muslims to the US. After all, look what has happened to Britain.

[Quix]

MUCH AGREE.

THX FOR THE PING.