Posted on 11/23/2010 12:14:36 AM PST by Cronos
Right now there are churches in almost every country which call themselves Baptists on the sign out front who, nevertheless, arc not Baptists, but in reality are Pentecostal churches.
....Pentecostalism is the belief that the miraculous gifts or signs which the Lord gave to the Apostles and others in the early churches have not ceased, but are still available and are still being exercised by today’s Christians. Pentecostalism claims that God still gives these miraculous gifts to men today. Lists of these gifts can be found in Mark 16:17-18 and 1 Corinthians 12:8-11.
..God’s extraordinary gifts are called this in contrast to those He ordinarily gives in all ages. They are ordinarily not given, but rather were given on extraordinary occasions. These extraordinary gifts were supernatural gifts that enabled their possessors to perform supernatural deeds. Usually when Pentecostals today speak of the gifts or the charismata, they are speaking of these extraordinary gifts, that is, healing, miracles, tongues, direct revelations from God, casting out demons. Pentecostalism teaches that these miraculous gifts, these charismata, are still available to Christians today
(Excerpt) Read more at pbministries.org ...
The more spectacular gifts usually appear on the cutting edge of the Kingdom, the pointy end of the stick, the mission field. The default setting for most of us, the norm, is routine daily faithfulness that compounds over the decades into results we could never have imagined.
The old pentecostal preachers had a handy aphorism: signs must follow believers. When believers follow signs, things are out of order. c.f. the Todd Bentley dog and pony show, and various counterfeit “revivals” that do not lead to an increase in home schooling.
Be that as it may, it doesn’t asnwer the question I raised.
I forget the guy’s name . . . there’s a head Pastor in Northern Mexico
who will NOT EVEN CONSIDER a candidate for Pastor’s training unless the fellow ALREADY has a certain number of verified resurrections under his belt from his layman’s ministry.
China experiences a fair amount of resurrections as well.
One woman laid her hubby out beside the main road and preached beside his body for 3 days before he was brought back to life.
They also happen even in America.
However, we haven’t seen ‘nothin’ yet. Scripture is clear that in the END TIMES there will be large numbers of resurrections—even from the grave.
What evidence is there to support these stories? Lots of people also say they have been abducted by aliens.
Along with MAJESTY
and a long list of others . . .
Jack Hayford alone authored a list of them, including MAJESTY.
Jack Hayford is one of the most anointed, wise and humble Christians alive on the planet.
A couple of my Taiwan friends left the nominal level Lutheran Christianity of their parents and have been growing solid Christians in Jack Hayford’s Van Nuys congregation . . . where Pat Boone also worships. Jack has retired from leading the congregation, though he’s still quite active in ministry and teaching.
IIRC, he also had a part in establishing CLEANSING STREAMS as a deliverance ministry that’s active across the nation and around the world.
Holy Spirit is going to bust out all over the world in a big way in these END TIMES.
God is not about to allow satan all the dramatic demonstrations.
People are clueless if they think that the God who brought the Israelites through the Red Sea is going to muffle His Spirit in the most crucial dramatic time (other than the Cross and Resurrection morning) of all history—the culmination of this boot camp training period.
They are likely also stubbornly Biblically ignorant or blind.
Why?
—pride, ego, pique at not being touched by God themselves in such a way—though they mostly resist such a wooing of Holy Spirit IN ORDER TO REMAIN IN
—DEATH GRIP PERSONAL HUMAN CONTROL of every aspect of their lives—deluded that THAT works at all.
—parochialism
—poor teaching
—no PERSONAL experience of the Power of God
—a form of RELIGION while denying the power thereof—AS SCRIPTURE WARNS.
Yet virtually every authentic Christian has had the experience of Holy Spirit causing a verse or phrase of Scripture to leap off the pages as applying specifically to that person’s life and angst of great need at that moment in their lives.
Yet even after such experiences with Holy Spirit, they stupidly deny that He speaks specifically to individuals in the present.
Sometimes the RC’s have no corner on double think idiotic dukplicity nonsense.
I Cor 14 is the pattern for congregational meetings.
Most Pentecostal churches ignore it, too. Dreadful.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
The forzen chosen seem to think that
The Denver Broncos
or the Dallas Cowboys deserve more excitement and passion
than God.
Well put.
Folks who were trained in cemetaries (seminaries) tend to have God in so many pretend tidy little boxes, He usually leaves the building and them to their own fantasies.
Exactly. ‘We are in this world but not of it’. Those who lack understanding NEED to place people in some kind of denominational ‘niche’.
Alinsky method - polarize it to criticize it.
The net makes that research fairly easy. Help yourself—on both counts. Both are true.
I have a decreasing need to beat my head against naysaying brick walls.
I think you’re referring to David Hogan. His ministry has seen many signs & wonders - miracles & resurrections.
I have heard his, Hogan’s, name but that’s about all.
No.
The fellow in Northern Mexico I’m thinking of is a Mexican national with a Mexican name.
thx
I like this one.
Though I grew up Baptist (general baptist) and now attend a non denominational church (an in your face, this is what the word says, take it or leave it)
I have friends who are pentecostal and celebrate Easter, Thanksgiving an Christmas with them. It is an absolute joy to celebrate these holidays with them, as one they ARE like family, but also the joy over the holidays and what they represent is real.
Perry Stone is one of my favorite people on TV to watch, and when I see Manna Fest is going to be on I usually put it on. Which means I hear most of his messages oover the course of a few weeks, twice at the minimum, but on average 3 times sometimes 4. Because of Perry and his teachings about ancient Israel, history, and traditions, I have an interest to know MORE about our Jewish roots. To understand the Jewish holidays that God set forth. To understand more of the ancient traditions to better understand what and why the Bible says what it says.
James Robison is someone I have recently gotten to enjoy more. I think I RESPECT him more than any of the other "charismatic" preachers. There is someone who seems very humble.
Of course, there are some charismatic preachers on tv who I can't change the channel fast enough. But then there are some non charismatics I feel the same way about.
My prayer is that God would lead me and fill me and show me HIS way. I have no interest in MANS knowledge.
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
AMEN! AMEN! I AGREE ENTIRELY.
Ping me if you ever get an answer to your question.
Thanks for your kind reply.
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