Posted on 12/26/2010 7:51:12 AM PST by Gamecock
Mosiah 3:19Interesting -- so does Mormonism share the same Calvinist belief in the Total Depravity of mankind?
For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
6The LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry, and why has your face fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it.” - Gen 42. Why do you reject Revelations by saying "It is not an evangelistic verse"
No. It's not the same thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Calvinism professes predestination, total depravity and unconditional election.
Mormonism professes free agency, no original sin, and children who are alive in Christ and unspotted from the world until they reach the age of accountability.
I would recommend reading Moroni 8. Here's a snip.
8 Listen to the words of Christ, your Redeemer, your Lord and your God. Behold, I came into the world not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance; the whole need no physician, but they that are sick; wherefore, little children are whole, for they are not capable of committing sin; wherefore the curse of Adam is taken from them in me, that it hath no power over them; and the law of circumcision is done away in me.
9 And after this manner did the Holy Ghost manifest the word of God unto me; wherefore, my beloved son, I know that it is solemn mockery before God, that ye should baptize little children.
10 Behold I say unto you that this thing shall ye teach—repentance and baptism unto those who are accountable and capable of committing sin; yea, teach parents that they must repent and be baptized, and humble themselves as their little children, and they shall all be saved with their little children.
11 And their little children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the remission of sins.
12 But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world;...
Freeling? Do you mean freely? Actually they are, as far as I know, studying the issue.
I would however, submit to you that the ordination of women as Deacons is far less serious than ordaining homosexuals like the Catholic Church does, and certainly less damaging than the criminal conspiracy of moving child molesting priest from one parish to another unsuspecting one...
and also free will debates on Federal Vision
Which has, BTW, been declared a heresy.
Man is free to choose as he will the question is can he will what he can not do?
Did Christ die for
1. All the sins of all men.
2. All the sins of some men, or
3. Some of the sins of all men.
I think we have a very different idea of what original sin means.
As a Mormon, I believe that because of the Fall of Adam and Eve, all people live in a fallen condition, separated from God and subject to physical death. However, we are not condemned by what many call the “original sin.” In other words, we are not accountable for Adam’s transgression in the Garden of Eden.
Our articles of faith address this head on.
“We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression” (Articles of Faith 1:2).
As to “Total Depravity”, no. The atonement of Christ as an eternal necessity, eternally balancing justice and mercy. This in contrast to the sectarian view of the catastrophic fall and total depravity of man, sometimes juxtaposed with the sectarian doctrine of Ultimate Reconciliation.
Hope that makes sense.
BTW, James 4:4 says pretty much the same thing as the Mosiah reference, about the natural man being an enemy of God.
“Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.”
http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/james/4?lang=eng
Hope that helps.
I can’t answer that question. I am not in a PCA that “ordains” women deacons.
In fact, I am not in the PCA.
***Sorry, was busy trying to get SciFi channel***
I miss Mystery Science Theater 3000. Wifey hates that I found it on NetFlix and can watch it instantly.
Pity they don’t make any new episodes though...
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