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If true,..indeed a bombshell...(about ONE-HALF of the claims..entirely false or..exaggerated
Insigt Scoop.com ^ | 01-02-11 | posted by Carl Olson

Posted on 01/02/2011 6:20:20 PM PST by Salvation

If true, this is indeed a bombshell...

Dave Pierre, the author of the book, Double Standard: Abuse Scandals and the Attack on the Catholic Church, reports the following on his site, TheMediaReport.com:

In a stunning ten-page declaration recently submitted to the Los Angeles County Superior Court, veteran attorney Donald H. Steier stated that his investigations into claims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests have uncovered vast fraud and that his probes have revealed that many accusations are completely false.

Counselor Steier has played a role in over one hundred investigations involving Catholic clergy in Los Angeles. In his missive Mr. Steier relayed, "One retired F.B.I. agent who worked with me to investigate many claims in the Clergy Cases told me, in his opinion, about ONE-HALF of the claims made in the Clergy Cases were either entirely false or so greatly exaggerated that the truth would not have supported a prosecutable claim for childhood sexual abuse" (capital letters are his).

Mr. Steier also added, "In several cases my investigation has provided objective information that could not be reconciled with the truthfulness of the subjective allegations. In other words, in many cases objective facts showed that accusations were false."

Mr. Steier's declaration is a stunner. He is as experienced as anyone in studying the claims of abuse against Catholic clergy in the Los Angeles area.

Pierre has several quotes from Steier declaration, as well as links to images of the declaration. Pierre further notes:

Steier also took aim at the outspoken advocacy group SNAP (Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests):

They maintain an interactive Internet website with a user 'Forum' and 'Message Board,' among other features, where people can share detailed information between alleged victims pertaining to identity of specific alleged perpetrators, their alleged 'modus operandi,' and other details of alleged molestation. In effect, a person who wanted to make a false claim of sexual abuse by a priest could go to that website and find a 'blueprint' of factual allegations to make that would coincide with allegations made by other people. Law enforcement also uses the S.N.A.P. website to attempt to locate new victims and allegations against Catholic priests.

Needless to say, SNAP had a fit at the sight of Steier's declaration. In a frantic press statement dated December 13, 2010, SNAP derided Steier's declaration as a "legal maneuver" that was "among the most outrageous and hurtful ever made by a church defense lawyer." In addition to claiming it will file a complaint with the California Bar Association, it demanded that Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony "denounce Steier's claims and to disclose how much archdiocesan money has been paid to Steier." (Gee, the last time I checked, SNAP steadfastly refused to divulge how much of its income is derived from the number of lawyers with whom it closely corroborates!)

Read the entire post for more.



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Is the truth starting to leak out?

I have said previously that I know of several clergy abuse accusations that I knew were false.

Anyone else?

1 posted on 01/02/2011 6:20:23 PM PST by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; markomalley; ...

Catholic Discussion Ping!


2 posted on 01/02/2011 6:22:33 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

So... of 10 allegations, 5 are false/exaggerated... that means there’s still 5 that are true, when there should be zero, and the church is/was lax in dealing with it.


3 posted on 01/02/2011 6:25:21 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Salvation
Back in the 1980's it seemed common for women to "realize" (thanks to their therapists) that their fathers had sexually abused them. Turns out most of this was bosh, but it did a lot of damage.

The clergy is being attacked in the same way.

On the flip side, Clinton raped and abused women, but the Left didn't see anything wrong with it.

The "sex positive" crowd seems to take advantage of these claims in several ways. Their friends can be defended with a "nuts and sluts" defense, and their enemies can be destroyed with a "sexual assault is never OK" attack strategy.

4 posted on 01/02/2011 6:28:49 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Keith in Iowa

Perhaps you are not aware of how the seminaries were visited by committees from the Pope and cleaned up. The seminarian now undergoes a two day psche exam, a week of interviews, lots of personal references, etc. If anything at all shows up strange the applicant to the seminary is refused.

I agree that even five out of ten is too many. More for you in the next post.


5 posted on 01/02/2011 6:30:44 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Lawyers thieving and lying !

Oh my ! < /feigned surprise


6 posted on 01/02/2011 6:31:58 PM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Abuse by Protestant Ministers of Every Denomination

Child Sexual Molestation by Various Protestant Clergy

Baptist Predators website

"Yeshiva" of Brooklyn also Guilty of Child Abuse

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Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church

WHEN BOYS ARE MOLESTED BY TEACHERS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY

Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests

 


7 posted on 01/02/2011 6:32:29 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.

“They might deal with it internally, suspending the person or having the person move on. So their license is never investigated,” says Charol Shakeshaft, a leading expert in teacher sex abuse who heads the educational leadership department at Virginia Commonwealth University.

It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”

Laws in several states require that even an allegation of sexual misconduct be reported to the state departments that oversee teacher licenses. But there’s no consistent enforcement, so such laws are easy to ignore.

School officials fear public embarrassment as much as the perpetrators do, Shakeshaft says. They want to avoid the fallout from going up against a popular teacher. They also don’t want to get sued by teachers or victims, and they don’t want to face a challenge from a strong union.



8 posted on 01/02/2011 6:33:22 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

It doesn’t surprise me.


9 posted on 01/02/2011 6:33:22 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: pyx

Ambulandce chasing attorneys for sure!

Will they pay for it on judgment day?


10 posted on 01/02/2011 6:34:18 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

1 abused kid is one too many, and I don’t care who’s doing it. The perps need to rot in prison. Along with anyone that aids and abets cover-ups.


11 posted on 01/02/2011 6:36:58 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Salvation
Of course at least half of the claims are false, just like all those black folks who were deprived of their chance to be a farmer once someone said there was a large sum of money to be passed out among those so deprived. Wait til’ they figure the Catholic Church is milked dry. Then every Protestant church with a building worth a few bucks will have the same or similar claims made against it.

My guess is there will be the same charges along with heterosexual abuse charges against the Protestants, though, since they don't have the same restrictions on the clergy. It's funny to watch Protestants carry torches and pitchforks right along with the gays and atheists who are out to get the Catholic Church. I say that as a Protestant waiting to see how shocked and upset those same people are when they're the ones in the cross hairs.

12 posted on 01/02/2011 6:41:05 PM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: Keith in Iowa
“that means there’s still 5 that are true”

No it does not! Simply because five out of ten can be proved to be false does not mean that the other five are true.

The standard is supposed to be innocent until *proved* guilty, but in the politically correct world of alleged child molestation by Catholic priests, they are considered guilty until overwhelming proof of innocence is obtained.

13 posted on 01/02/2011 6:42:22 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Salvation
"Counselor Steier has played a role in over one hundred investigations involving Catholic clergy in Los Angeles. In his missive Mr. Steier relayed, "One retired F.B.I. agent who worked with me to investigate many claims in the Clergy Cases told me, in his opinion, about ONE-HALF of the claims made in the Clergy Cases were either entirely false or so greatly exaggerated that the truth would not have supported a prosecutable claim for childhood sexual abuse" (capital letters are his)."

Duh! Once word got out there were millions of dollars in payouts to be had simply by accusing a priest of sexual abuse every scumbag from hades came scampering out of their holes to grab a scumbag lawyer and make the abuse claim, then gather up the dough. The Catholic Church doesn't know how to protect itself from this stuff, priests are certainly among the most forgiving, loving men on earth; forgiveness, mercy and love is what they are all about. How hard is it to attack such men, and the Church itself? In any case, this whole debacle was about HOMOSEXUAL PERVERSION, AND NOTHING ELSE. Anyone who truly followed this travesty could not help but notice that the vast majority of the plaintiffs were males, and almost every one of them was a post pubescent, (sexually mature), boy, from the ages of 12 to 17. The media is swirling with homosexual perverts, so they labeled every single charge to be a case of "pedophilia". Almost none of the actual cases met the criteria for pedophilia, but they did meet the criteria for NAMBLA.

The Church's big mistake was in allowing these base people into the seminaries.

Back in 1961 Pope John XXIII wrote an Apostolic Letter to the bishops of the world, declaring that homosexuals have a harder time controlling their lusts than do normal men, hence they should not be allowed into the seminaries. But that letter was ignored because Vatican II swept over the Catholic Church in a luciferian attempt to "protestantize" the Church, (to liberalize her, in order to gain a more favorable opinion from the world, which thought of the RCC as 'ancient'). The Church did perfectly well in her 'ancient', (traditional), ways. Liberalism has destroyed just about every last vestage of decency on earth. But the ending to this story is a good one, we Christians know Who wins the final, decisive battle.

14 posted on 01/02/2011 6:50:52 PM PST by jiminycricket000
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To: Salvation
Precise facts are about impossible, but the history of exploitation of abuse claims when big money is involved is a fact beyond doubt. Add in the pathology of greedy homosexuals seeking money to buy that sanfransicko townhouse, and the church's fate is sealed, pending arrival of the truth squads.
15 posted on 01/02/2011 6:59:00 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Salvation

Sadly enough, the fact that the current Pope and the legal offices of the Vatican have done so much to try and hide the true facts means that there are actually MANY MORE cases that we’ll never know about.


16 posted on 01/02/2011 7:04:28 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (1 Timothy 2:5  For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus)
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To: Salvation

No, I think it is more likely 1 out of 100 of the claims were valid.

The ones that are most likely to be true are those related to homosexual encounters because traditionally the Catholic church has tried to keep men and women separated.

In all my years, I don’t think I can remember an instance where a male at any position was left alone in a room with a female. Maybe that was just the churches I attended, but I really believe that was quite common.


17 posted on 01/02/2011 7:04:39 PM PST by dila813
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To: Salvation
This lawyer is a whore for Mahoney and the LA archdiocese:

Steier’s legal maneuver is the latest in a long series of moves by him and Catholic officials to block the disclosure of thousands of pages of long-secret files concerning hundreds of LA-area child molesting clerics.

The motion was filed in a case called Roman Catholic Archbishop of Los Angeles et al. v. Superior Court of Los Angeles County et al, # B227743, 2nd District, Division 8, overseen by Judge Emilie H. Elias.

...Mahony will be deposed in California later this month in a pending civil suit involving Fr. Michael E. Kelly (CV035092). For months, Mahony’s lawyers fought to prevent the deposition, claiming he’s a “corporate president.” Three weeks ago, Judge Elizabeth Humphreys denied Mahony’s request.

Sorry, but don't get your hopes up based on Mahoney's laplawyers.

I've personally known multiple victims as well as multiple priests accused of abuse. Of the multiple examples of each, I only know of one priest who was falsely accused, and only two accusers who were obviously lying.

And of the priests who were accused of homosexual molestation, all were guilty as charged.

18 posted on 01/02/2011 7:06:41 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM (Liberalism is infecund.)
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To: All; Salvation
It's terrible either way. The devil inspires a lot of damage.

I remember when I hung out at bars. I over heard someone talking about setting up a priest if he could go all the way to prove. I told him I will remmeber his name. It was like some men wanted to take advantage of a drunken woman. I have talked people out of it. Just what a crazy world.

Jesus help us!

AMEN=So Be It!

19 posted on 01/02/2011 7:07:01 PM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: Keith in Iowa
You are right of course that one abused kid is one too many. The fact is, most of the actual victims in the church scandals were sexually mature teenagers seduced by homosexual priests. Bad stuff but very different from the child-molesting pedophile stereotype. For one thing it is so prevalent in the homosexual community that it is almost impossible to discover before the fact.
20 posted on 01/02/2011 7:07:33 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Salvation

Thanks for posting.


21 posted on 01/02/2011 7:08:00 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: marktwain
I heard about that happening in an actual jury deliberation room after one juror talked.

The quote from the jury room was

"Well, he's a Catholic priest. He's got to be guilty.

So, like you said, the poltically correct way (wrong way) of thinking here was clergy is automatically guilty and not innocent until proven guilty.

In this case there were parallel dates from state records because the accused priest worked at a state institution. He wasn't even there when the accusers said he was!

22 posted on 01/02/2011 7:08:23 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

What do you mean here? Pope Benedict has spoken out against this.

Sources please! And then I’ll find mine.


23 posted on 01/02/2011 7:10:36 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dila813

**No, I think it is more likely 1 out of 100 of the claims were valid.**

That could be true. Time will tell.


24 posted on 01/02/2011 7:11:33 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Keith in Iowa

And it means 5 men have been unjustly destroyed, and their priestly ministry unjustly undermined.

And if YOU don’t know if your belief about laxity is based on the TRUE allegations or the FALSE allegations.


25 posted on 01/02/2011 7:13:16 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Judith Anne

Interesting as well watch this develop, huh?


26 posted on 01/02/2011 7:13:26 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I know of one. The priest is retired and was living in the rectory of his former parish. As there is a parish school, he had to move away so as not to be near children. He is fighting the claim that he and another priest molested the man when he was a child. The funny part is that anyone who knew this priest knew that he did not particularly like being around children. He even avoided visiting classes at the parish school. It is a tragedy but he is determined to fight the plaintiff for the benefit of the younger priests.


27 posted on 01/02/2011 7:14:19 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: Salvation

Interesting as we’ll watch this develop, huh?


28 posted on 01/02/2011 7:14:39 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Keith in Iowa

And false accusers need to rot in an even lower level of hell.


29 posted on 01/02/2011 7:14:47 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: dila813
I wouldn't go that far. I was involved directly in a case where a priest sexually exploited and serially raped a jr high school girl enrolled in his parish school for a period of a year or more. In his Office.

They're not all perverts but the're not all angels either, by any means.

30 posted on 01/02/2011 7:15:42 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: jiminycricket000
"Back in 1961 Pope John XXIII wrote an Apostolic Letter to the bishops of the world, declaring that homosexuals have a harder time controlling their lusts than do normal men, hence they should not be allowed into the seminaries."

I remember that and remember liberal Catholics saying how awful it was of him to say that and that the American Church should ignore him. IOW, even then there was a faction within the Church that wanted to make the Church here in the US a separate entity with no concern for the Pope.

People like that made the Church an easy target for other liberals who wanted to undermine any and all religion not just the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church was just the primary target because you have to go after thousands upon thousands of separate Protestant Churches to have same amount of anti-Christian propaganda value.

31 posted on 01/02/2011 7:20:00 PM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Sources? Can you prove your comment that “the FACT that the pope & Vatican legal......”.? Pretty strong accusation. Back it up, please


32 posted on 01/02/2011 7:21:14 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: Bodleian_Girl

It is a very sad state of affairs.

The Pope is still sheltering Cardinal Law in Italy. Law beat it out of Boston when the State Troopers tried to serve him with papers. He has a new job in Rome now selecting the new bishops. He won’t come back to Boston because he’s afraid to face the charges.

The damage done by these men cannot be measured.

Earlier posters said that even one abused child is too many. Having known one of the kids who was abused I would have to agree. They preyed upon him the year after his father died. They should burn for what they did to him.


33 posted on 01/02/2011 7:22:21 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Salvation

The four I knew were true. The murder of a childhood neighbor is still unsolved, but his abuse is pretty well documented.

And a relative worked for the diocese and had to deal with the Bishop who was a diddler.

So, no...your ratio is probably not the norm.


34 posted on 01/02/2011 7:24:15 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Don't taze my junk bro.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Are you saying that the five who testified falsely, perjuring themselves did not sin? Did not do something evil in destroying an innocent mens; lives on purpose?

Perjury is OK with you?


35 posted on 01/02/2011 7:25:41 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ladyjane

**They should burn for what they did to him.**

And what about those who preyed up the priests and accused them wrongly/falsely.

Are they any less guilty?


36 posted on 01/02/2011 7:27:30 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I went to Catholic School. If a male was even in the cloak room at the same time as a female the school would freak.

Maybe things have changed that much.

The Principle who is male had an assistant Principle that was Female. If a Female student had to be seen in his office they both were there. If the Assistant Principle is out, then a female teacher filled in.

It was cultural/traditional. It was taboo for males and females to mix in private as much as you hear it is in Islamic Countries. It just didn’t happen without everyone talking about it.

In the old church, I think everyone thought the worse always. They worked to eliminate temptation in all its forms.


37 posted on 01/02/2011 7:29:19 PM PST by dila813
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To: ladyjane

**The damage done by these men cannot be measured.**

What about the priests who were innocent of the accusation/allegations?


38 posted on 01/02/2011 7:30:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Just mythoughts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2648946/posts


39 posted on 01/02/2011 7:30:37 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Salvation

>>>>Perjury is OK with you?

No.


40 posted on 01/02/2011 7:35:27 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

No, it does NOT mean that “5 are true”

There is a category between “true” and “false” and that is “not proven/not conclusive”.

Most of those remaining 5 allegations will fall into the ‘not proven’ category.


41 posted on 01/02/2011 7:38:02 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Salvation
I suspected it all along. That is not to say thought that the church was correct in allowing its seminaries to be over run with homosexuals.

They all should have been removed as found. ANY case where there is good provable evidence that there is a homo among the clergy should be dealt with severely and quickly. NO forgiveness, NO mercy.

The church should have a policy of cooperating at bringing priest to answer for their crimes in court and do it ruthlessly and quickly. That would get the bad ones to leave and keep out the others.

42 posted on 01/02/2011 7:38:43 PM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Salvation
I've said his all along....people out to get money and lawyers eagerly raking in the money...

I want CRIMINAL trials for all priests accused...I want the accusers to stand up in court and face the justice system.....until they do, I don't believe most of them....the evidence needs to be tested just like it would in other criminal cases...

many of the accused are dead and never could defend their names....

43 posted on 01/02/2011 7:41:53 PM PST by cherry
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To: Bodleian_Girl

with your logic, it also means that since most men like to look at pretty women they obviously are also adulterers and rapists...


44 posted on 01/02/2011 7:43:12 PM PST by cherry
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Oh, I forgot the one that was sent to our parish. He had his “friend” come up during the holidays and stay at the
Rectory with him. Then when the accusers showed up, he took off—down to Cape Cod with the other sodomites. Where he lives to this day, with his “friend” and his “cousins.”

I still go to church because I believe in forgiveness and redemption. But these guys will burn in hell.

And what I have against the “church” is the backwards way they deal with these cases. The delay, they lie. The obfuscate. The fall back on Canon Law, not civil law.

If they turned these guys over the authorities when the complaints came in, no one would be angry. You see...its not the money. Its the fact that they hold YOU to a higher standard than they hold themselves.

I hope they hear the cries of these boys in their sleep.


45 posted on 01/02/2011 7:44:00 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Don't taze my junk bro.)
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To: Salvation
When I did sexual abuse exams on girls, about half the cases were fake, often “diagnosed” by an eager social worker or mom who wanted to target her ex. Usually the girls would let me know this during the exam.

Second, When you see money, the false accusations will pop up and give you fancy stories, which any normal person would wonder about they are so absurd.

I know of one famous court case when my boys were young, and in this case the accuser claimed a priest abused him at age 14-16...in reality, it was his much older brother who concocted the story. The brother, who was 17 or 18, met the priest in a nearby gay bar (not in the church) and had a relationship with him and later the family decided to sue for money...since the older brother had a weak case, they concocted a story about the younger one being abused.
The family won a lot of money not because anyone really believed his story, but because everyone knew that the bishop had covered up a lot of this stuff, and they wanted to punish the diocese.

That said, the sad part is that probably most of the abuse cases will never be reported.

This is sad, because a lot of these priests were serial molesters...they were actually “nice guys”, i.e. gay priests who got turned on by young boys and saw the relationship as something good. (and the psychiatrists instructed the bishop it was merely a lapse that should be overlooked).

So they continued to “lapse”, harming more young boys... and the families who did complain were “persuaded” to cover up the molestation because arresting a priest would harm this nice priest and embarrass their son, and they didn't want to do that, did they?(and I know of one of these cases too).

46 posted on 01/02/2011 7:46:05 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Vermont Lt; Notwithstanding

And what about those innocent priest who were accused unjustly? Are their accusers going to burn in hell too? Or is lying in court and taking money that really isn’t yours OK with you.

Souble standard showing.


47 posted on 01/02/2011 7:47:54 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

that is not true. The present Pope is the one who arranged for the Vatican office to take over these cases because too many bishops were covering them up.

The cases he was accused of “ignoring” are like that one in Wisconsin, where the diocese did nothing for 25 years, and then decided to defrock him when the guy was dying. The Pope pointed out they needed to do their paperwork to defrock him (legally true) and they hadn’t bothered to do it.

You have to realize that the press hates this pope, because for years his job was to check on bad theology (not bad behavior) and they hate the church’s theology. It wasn’t until the 1990’s that he took over the “abuse” stuff and then had to fight the bureaucracy to change things.

There are a billion Catholics, and pointing the finger to the guy in charge is like blaming Obama for a fight at the local bar. And although one abuse case is too many, child abuse is so common that the uproar against the Catholic church, and only the Catholic church, seems a bit absurd.


48 posted on 01/02/2011 7:56:06 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Salvation

The problem is that the church delayed and covered up so long that the civil courts were the only recourse...and the church was quick to settle.

If the church acted as the just men they say they are, they would have called in the local authorities. Not the moving truck.

Having close, lifelong friends involved with these cases—as well as a very close relative working on the church side of the legal issues—I can attest with first hand knowledge how the church acts.

If there are innocent men being accused so that money may be extorted, I would lay that blame not only on the accuser—but also at the feet of the church. For their inaction and fear of being shown to be complicit with these predators caused the problem to be much worse than it needed to be.


49 posted on 01/02/2011 7:58:42 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Don't taze my junk bro.)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

” the fact that the current Pope and the legal offices of the Vatican have done so much to try and hide the true facts”

False witness is false witness, even if you don’t like the Catholic Church.


50 posted on 01/02/2011 8:02:27 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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