Cain Strikes Again...Egypt

01-04-11 | Bill Randles

[Netizen]

Who writes this junk?

Cain worked the fields, that is where his ‘work’ and sacrifice came from. Abel tended the flocks and that is where his sacrifice came from.

[Netizen]

Genesis 4
3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

Could it be that Abel's offering being a firstling and being the 'fat' (the best parts, choicest) showed his faith and love in YHWH. While, when Cain offered his 'fruits of the land', there is no mention of these fruits being 'choice' or 'the best', that Cain's faith and love was weaker? That Cain didn't consider that YHWH sees all? Thinking that YHWH wouldn't know that he didn't offer the best/choicest fruits?

Genesis 4
6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.

Did Cain sin because he didn't offer the best, because his faith and or love was weak, and he offered what he 'wanted' to, instead of what he should have? Because he chose to please himself, instead of pleasing YHWH?

[SaxxonWoods]

I’m still trying to figure out how Cain knew to take off for the Land of Nod to find a wife. Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel. Where did these people in the Land of Nod come from? That has bugged me for 50 years.

[LurkingSince'98]

Possibly neanderthals?

[SaxxonWoods]

According to my understanding of literal Bible belief, Adam and Eve were the first and only two people on Earth. They had two sons, Cain and Abel.

So how could Cain go to some other land and find a woman old enough to marry? That indicates there was another colony nearby.

Neadenthals are certainly possible, but that seems to foul up the Bible story as it has always been presented.

[Jan_Sobieski]

Netizen, I am going to take a crack at answering your question with a question: When Adam and Eve sinned, what did God do to cover their sin?

Answer (I believe): he slew an innocent animal and gave them a covering. Notice that God could have made a garment of cotton, hemp, or anything. But the fact that blood was shed (for the first time) is significant. The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). The act of God was a foreshadow of the great sacrifice that God would one day make of of Himself to save all of us from our sins. The Bible says, "Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins" (Hebrews 9:22, Leviticus 17:11)

[Netizen]

Jeremiah 31:2 Thus saith YHWH: the people that were left of the sword have found grace in the wilderness, even Israel, when I go to cause him to rest.

God promises the descendants of Israel who, through captivity, exile, and intermarriage with Gentiles became assimilated and inculturated Gentiles today that they will find "grace in the wilderness".

The exile mentioned in Isaiah

From the JPS (1917) Jewish Bible Tanakh
8 In full measure, when Thou sendest her away, Thou dost contend with her; He hath removed her with His rough blast in the day of the east wind.
9 Therefore by this shall the iniquity of Jacob be expiated, and this is all the fruit of taking away his sin: when he maketh all the stones of the altar as chalkstones that are beaten in pieces, so that the Asherim and the sun-images shall rise no more.

Their exile was their atonement.  

NO BLOOD WAS SHED

[ShadowAce]

...Adam and Eve were the first and only two people on Earth. They had two sons, Cain and Abel.

Not entirely correct.

Don;t forget Seth. Also, Scripture mentions that Adam had other sons and daughters before he died at the age of 930. It is possible that Cain took a sister as wife.

[blasater1960]

"Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins" (Hebrews 9:22, Leviticus 17:11)

Hebrews is wrong. Leviticus 17:11 does not say that the ONLY means of forgiveness is the shedding of blood. It says dont eat blood. The only purpose of blood is atonement....it is not a food to eat.

There are many non-blood means of atonement in the OT (Tanach)

[blasater1960]

You are correct. Ishmael is a better comparison. Actaully, Islamists sem to be a composite of Ishamael, Esau and Ham.

[r9etb]

Gosh, Bill. You're really a pastor, and you spread that crap?

I suppose you have heard of Ishmael?

[Netizen]

Don;t forget Seth. Also, Scripture mentions that Adam had other sons and daughters before he died at the age of 930. It is possible that Cain took a sister as wife.

But, wouldn't the sister be living in the same household and not in a different town/land?

[pastorbillrandles]

r9eth- You may disagree with me, but how about letting me know what point you disagree with, I am more than willing to hold intelligent discussion. BTW what is an orbitologist?
Also, I believe Islam is a hybrid of Cain,Ishmael, Esau, etc..

[pastorbillrandles]

My point, Cain was a monotheistic worshipper who rejected blood sacrafice, was into a religion of works righteousness, and ended up making a blood sacrifice anyway, not unto God , but unto his own rage- an ideal prototype Muslim! Abel represents true belief in the true God, worshipping by sacrifice, admitting his own desert of death(the wages of sin is death) and coming to God by a vlood offering-

[ShadowAce]

But, wouldn't the sister be living in the same household and not in a different town/land?

Perhaps. There are a lot of details that are not included in the Genesis account. We don't know how they functioned as a family.

[Netizen]

You are so full of it. Can and Abel BOTH were supposed to bring the best of their work/fruits as a sacrifice. Not all sacrifices were blood. Some were grain. But, they BOTH were to bring forth their best.

[Netizen]

Perhaps. There are a lot of details that are not included in the Genesis account. We don't know how they functioned as a family.

Yeah right. An unmarried daughter would be sent to live in some other town! lol A son, maybe, might go off on his own, but, a daughter? c'mon

[pastorbillrandles]

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins”

[Netizen]

See post #8