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Was David Wilkerson’s Death A Metaphor To Us From God? 05/01/2011
Sitting In His Presence ^ | 05/01/2011 | Pastor Cathie Miller

Posted on 05/01/2011 11:59:21 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012

“For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God;
and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those
who do not obey the gospel of God?” 1 Peter 4:17

“See, I am beginning to bring disaster on the city that bears my Name,
and will you indeed go unpunished? You will not go unpunished,
for I am calling down a sword upon all who live on the earth, declares
the Lord Almighty.” Jeremiah 25:29

(Excerpt) Read more at sittinginhispresence.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: david; death; metaphor; wilkerson
For discussion and comment
1 posted on 05/01/2011 11:59:24 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012
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To: Quix
Will you ping this widely, please.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

2 posted on 05/01/2011 12:00:37 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
>"I believe God is telling us that as a country, we also have crossed the point of no return and we are heading into a path of destruction of mighty proportions."

Look around you. The Truth exists.

A commie muzzie as our leader? Yeah. I'd say we have crossed or un crossed the line.


G_d is Just, and paybacks are ......... Repent and Love one another.

3 posted on 05/01/2011 12:11:31 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Two days prior (Apr.25) a ministerial couple from Springfield MO were murdered in their home.

Not trying to draw any conclusions, merely stating facts. The devil and his disciples are everywhere....

4 posted on 05/01/2011 12:15:05 PM PDT by donozark ("Never wound a King." Machiavelli)
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To: rubyredslippers
Ping
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

5 posted on 05/01/2011 12:15:13 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Read up on some of the prophecies Wilkerson was preaching on in the 1970’s, that is mind blowing.


6 posted on 05/01/2011 12:17:27 PM PDT by mothball
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Saw the live stream for Times Square Church Sunday service this morning and I can't stop feeling so sad. Pastor Carter Conlon was near tears remembering Pastor Wilkerson, known as Brother Dave to those who have been with him for years. He was a simple man, never wanted the spotlight, but had a BIG heart for the lost, the WORLD has LOST a tremendous man of God. The Church is hosting his Memorial Service May 14 at 2:00pm eastern time. They are expecting in the thousands so I believe the staff will be streaming the live event on screens in a bigger avenue for those who can attended the memorial. That area is still undecided tough and will be announced in a later date. Pastor Conlon few out of NY right after the morning service to be with Brother Dave's family for a private funeral. I will miss him terribly. EVERYTIME, without fail I remember praying for certain situations in my life when I needed an answer from God, God would use Wilkerson's monthly newsletter to touch my heart with encouraging words. I have been a member of David Wilkerson's via mail for over 25+ years. I will miss dearly! He had a servants heart! And a gifted ability to write what the Holy Spirit instructed...awesome spirit filled servant of Christ. :(
7 posted on 05/01/2011 12:22:23 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: mothball
david wilkerson 1973 prophecy

David Wilkerson The Vision Part 1

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

8 posted on 05/01/2011 12:31:14 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: RoseofTexas

You posted my words. No need to add anything.

I agree 100%. My morning routine always began with his daily blog/devotional. I have 200+ of his sermons on my iPod. I met him once in 1991 only briefly.

I never knew him, but will miss him terribly.


9 posted on 05/01/2011 12:34:17 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

He was a magnificent man. He and his group presented an assembly at our small parochial college in the late early 70s and it was very moving. From time to time I donate to a local venture that grew out of his ministry.

That said, it’s difficult to draw any implications from his death. He was 79 and died in a car accident. We were fortunate to have had him around as long as we did. Many wonderful people have been taken from us far earlier in their lives.


10 posted on 05/01/2011 12:41:18 PM PDT by BuckyKat (Green = the new red)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
I think you are reading too much into this. The only message is to remember to wear your seat belt while driving.
11 posted on 05/01/2011 1:06:50 PM PDT by GeorgianRepublican
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

The prophets of the Old Testament were sent at various times when it came to warning Israel. Some were sent very early to warn those what was coming in perhaps 40 years, others right before and during. Listening to the 1973 prophecies (1973 was the year of Roe V Wade) it seems that if things don’t happen right away, everybody continues thinking they can get away with sinning. God gave Egypt LOTS of warnings and only those who obeyed God were saved from the plague of death.

There was one time in the Old Testament that God would not forgive Israel.


12 posted on 05/01/2011 1:15:01 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; ...

Will you ping this widely, please.
shalom b’SHEM Yah’shua HaMashiach


SURE.

END TIMES PING LIST PING.


13 posted on 05/01/2011 1:29:22 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; Quix; All

Thank you.

Running from Babylon article

http://runningfrombabylon.blogspot.com/2011/04/voice-of-judgment.html

“Garden Girl”

Thursday, April 28, 2011

THE VOICE OF JUDGMENT

I will miss Pastor Wilkerson terribly. He had such a profound influence on my life. I’ve read his books and listened to many of his sermons, and right now, I am struggling as to what I wish to write about him and his message. The grief and shock are still sinking in.

THE voice of warning of judgment coming to America has been silenced. No one warned America like David Wilkerson. Starting with his book THE VISION, which was published in 1973, he repeatedly warned America that she faced the wrath of God if she persisted in sliding down the slippery slope of immorality that she was on. His last major warning was March 7, 2009, when he sent out his URGENT WARNING of a soon-coming earth-shattering calamity. David Wilkerson started World Challenge and in 1971 moved the World Challenge headquarters to Lindale, a city in east Texas. Now, in 2011, forty years later, he has been killed suddenly in a head-on car collision in east Texas, and his wife is in critical condition.

E.W. Bullinger notes that forty is connected with a time of trial and testing and with probation. I believe America’s time of probation is over.

Pastor Wilkerson’s death came on the same day that Obama revealed his long-form birth certificate. One door cracked open (Obama), but another slammed shut hard and violently (Wilkerson). I don’t know what that means, but having the two happen on the same day may mean something.

On the same day, the most violent outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded in Alabama occurred. (This is the same state that removed Judge Roy Moore for refusing to remove the Ten Commandments from his courthouse in 2003.) As of the time of this post, 173 have died. That is unbelieveable!

The tornadoes hit a turkey farm, and 40,000 turkeys were “running amok.” The turkey is the bird that Ben Franklin wanted to represent America, but his effort failed and the turkey came to be symbolic only of Thanksgiving Day.

Many pastors today, either in fear of losing their congregations or because they simply do not believe that God will ever judge America, do not call out warnings to repent. Now, suddenly and violently, the only voice that ever did so has been taken home. I believe that God will no longer warn America to the level that He led Pastor Wilkerson to warn. I believe our probation of 40 years is over.

Posted by GardenGirl at 4/28/2011 06:30:00 AM


14 posted on 05/01/2011 1:43:07 PM PDT by Joya (Everything is ruined. Jesus is coming back. Something to look forward to, it is more than enough.)
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To: GeorgianRepublican
The only message is to remember to wear your seat belt while driving.

There is a bigger message - this blog is an excellent example of why women should not rebel against Scripture and claim for themselves the role of "pastor". (1 Timothy 2:12)

David Wilkerson died while in rebellion to the traffic laws. Furthermore, how can he be a "sacrificial lamb" when the Scriptures say that the typical life-span is seventy years (Psalms 90:10) and he lived nearly a decade after that? Do these people expect immortality ?

The author then comes up with some nonsense of there being a "prophecy" of his regarding a tornado outbreak, but somehow she misses the greatest tornado outbreak in a single 24 hour period back in '74 and the longest continuous outbreak in '92. (Remember, God only cares about the united States and Israel and no where else) The reason why this inconvenience was ignored is because nothing else came about and these Premillennial Dysfunctionalists are eagerly expecting global destruction and turmoil to satisfy their blood lust for death, carnage and divine Judgment.

Many of Wilkerson's fantasies about a fallen earth were already well underway in Europe and in many leftist urban areas of the US, and thus his "prophecies" were nothing more than exaggerating all of those things already occurring. Nevertheless, people who think all history begins the moment they were born eat this dreck up and that is why David is venerated - because he hated America and deeply hoped that God would kill us all in vengeance.

15 posted on 05/01/2011 1:50:23 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

So you’re saying that God is punishing the US by taking those who didn’t fall away but served Him ardently? Can you find scripture that shows that God punishes the nation by taking the faithful?


16 posted on 05/01/2011 2:41:59 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Romans 8:28 (King James Version)

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.


17 posted on 05/01/2011 3:07:43 PM PDT by marbren
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To: Joya

GOOD ARTICLE.

THX.


18 posted on 05/01/2011 4:35:36 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: The Theophilus; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; ...
this blog is an excellent example of why women should not rebel against Scripture and claim for themselves the role of "pastor".

I thought you were a

REPLACEMENTARIAN

who INSISTS--

BIBLICALLY (within Biblical intent)

That there are no longer

any JEWS, NOR GREEKS, MALES NOR FEMALES BEFORE GOD!

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Oh, right . . . EXCEPT where Y'all in your exceedingly preening pontificance decree rather arbitrarily and with an abundance of a self-righteous tone etc. . . .

that the Bible didn't mean THAT!

There are other perspectives . . .

http://www.vawtermark.com/GENDER-BASED_SPIRITUAL_ABUSE_AND_BIGOTRY.htm


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19 posted on 05/01/2011 4:51:40 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

If ya wanna discuss it, ya gotta at least post it.

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“For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?” 1 Peter 4:17

“See, I am beginning to bring disaster on the city that bears my Name, and will you indeed go unpunished? You will not go unpunished, for I am calling down a sword upon all who live on the earth, declares the Lord Almighty.” Jeremiah 25:29

Being too weak to go to my desk, I asked my husband to pull out his older original Mac laptop for me. He was kind enough to do it. Yes, I could have waited until I was stronger. I just wanted to get this message out while it was fresh upon my mind as God gave it to me.

I have asked God for insight into the death of Pastor David Wilkerson. I want to discuss things frankly with you. In doing so, I do not want there to be any misunderstanding. Let me say, here and now, that I am not in the camp with anyone who thinks David Wilkerson committed suicide on April 27th, 2011. Instead let me say that I believe that God used David Wilkerson as a sacrificial lamb.

I make my case by stating that not once have I heard of any “hanky-panky” in his ministry! Not one time. He was a “holiness” teacher who practiced what he preached. Secondly some well meaning person was concerned that he was down and depressed in his last few messages and that “most pastors write from their own heart.” The man stated that in encouraging others David Wilkerson was trying to encourage himself.

To that theory I say “BALDERDASH!” I know in my own ministry I have written to encourage people more than I ever have in these past few weeks. I know that God spoke to my heart to do so, as there are many hurting people that are close to giving up on God completely. Now, in doing so, as I search the scriptures I too am encouraged. There is no doubt about that. I am not, however, suicidal. Neither, in my humble opinion, was David Wilkerson. Because of the life he had lived, as well as in my own life, he had learned much compassion for the hurting. Show me an uncompassionate, cold person and I will know immediately that sorrow has not touched them much, if at all.

I think that for those who have “ears to hear and eyes to see” April 27th of 2011 was a significant date. The judgment of God upon our country, the United States of America has begun, beloved!

My reasoning is that the tornadoes hit in what is affectionately referred to as “The bible belt.” Just about every person I have seen interviewed, that survived, has given the glory to GOD. If you have the chance look up the audio version of a vision given by David Wilkerson in 1973, you will be amazed at how the things that he saw in the vision are now a reality. In this vision God showed David Wilkerson a clear vision of killer tornadoes coming upon the earth, amongst other things.

Why was David Wilkerson’s death on the very same day the tornadoes hit the South? I don’t believe that there are any mistakes with God. What better day for Pastor Wilkerson to go home to be in God’s presence! I believe his death brought attention to many regarding his 1973 vision. People read about the death, and in researching the man have found information, including the audio of the vision. God always uses more then one thing to bring a point home to us!

Look at this death as a metaphor, if you will. David Wilkerson crossed the line and went into the direct path of destruction. I believe God is telling us that as a country, we also have crossed the point of no return and we are heading into a path of destruction of mighty proportions. David Wilkerson did not have his seatbelt on. He was not prepared for that moment, as many of us are not prepared. There may be things that are holding some of us back from fully surrendering to God, and yet we think, “God is going to protect me, these things don’t matter I will still go to heaven.” We can’t take chances anymore and God wants us to wake up now!

The more I reflect on how God put this whole thing together that day, I am more in AWE of Him, then ever before. What an AWESOME, LOVING God we serve.

God has this whole thing planned. His timing is perfect. We are His children and He is giving us signs! What should we be doing? We should be encouraging the weak, the sick, the hurting. We should drop our spirits of pride and let others pray for our weaknesses. In doing so the whole body will remain STRONG in these days of unexplainable tragedies coming upon the earth.

Someone said to me, “I wonder what we did to Israel to bring this on?” Well, I am a supporter of Israel, but truthfully I feel in my spirit that this is about US. This is about the murdering of innocent children on our shores; this is about the lewd lifestyle of our society, the immorality of our leaders, and the watering down of the gospel in our churches in an attempt to grab money from parishioners. No, in my opinion, we need look no further then America. As the Reverend Billy Graham once said, “If God lets this continue He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.”

I believe that God looked at David Wilkerson on that day and said, “Well done good and faithful servant!” and loved him so much for speaking His truth and prophesying in His Name, that He took him home in advance of the real, hard days coming upon the earth.

In Obedience to God I wrote this message!

Pastor Cathie Miller, His handmaiden….


20 posted on 05/01/2011 4:54:45 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

I bought the book on ebay for 25 cents plus shipping. It is an amazing little book and so much has come true. Rev. Wilkerson didn’t have many visions, but, the ones he had and shared were humdingers.

I suggest everyone read the book or listen to it online.


21 posted on 05/01/2011 5:24:36 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: Catsrus

Here are a couple more of Wilkerson’s books online.

http://worldchallenge.edgeboss.net/download/worldchallenge/books/americas_last_call.pdf

http://worldchallenge.edgeboss.net/download/worldchallenge/books/gods_plan_to_protect_his_people.pdf


22 posted on 05/01/2011 5:53:06 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Quix

The only thing that keeps running around in my brain is that God took Pastor Wilkerson before his vision of 1973 came true. Our Lord removed him before it all came to pass.

I keep meditating on that fact. Much has come closer to what he saw, but not all of it, not yet.

Our Lord removed him before it all came to pass.


23 posted on 05/01/2011 6:17:36 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Thank you for the links, this one is riveting,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnbpGCrc1zg


24 posted on 05/01/2011 6:20:42 PM PDT by Joya (Everything is ruined. Jesus is coming back. Something to look forward to, it is more than enough.)
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To: TruthConquers

Thank you for posting the links. You posted:

= = =
a couple more Wilkerson books online.

http://worldchallenge.edgeboss.net/download/worldchallenge/books/americas_last_call.pdf

http://worldchallenge.edgeboss.net/download/worldchallenge/books/gods_plan_to_protect_his_people.pdf

= = =


25 posted on 05/01/2011 6:20:48 PM PDT by Joya (Everything is ruined. Jesus is coming back. Something to look forward to, it is more than enough.)
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To: All

David Wilkerson The Vision Part II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L5VPwHDwEg&NR=1


26 posted on 05/01/2011 6:27:12 PM PDT by Joya (Everything is ruined. Jesus is coming back. Something to look forward to, it is more than enough.)
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To: The Theophilus
David Wilkerson died while in rebellion to the traffic laws. Furthermore, how can he be a "sacrificial lamb" when the Scriptures say that the typical life-span is seventy years (Psalms 90:10) and he lived nearly a decade after that? Do these people expect immortality ?

actually, he was passing a car and misjudged the oncoming truck, or didn't see it. Alas, accidents like this are common in the elderly, whose vision is not as good as the young and who often have slower reflexes. He wasn't in "rebellion" he made a mistake. Most of us have been in similar situations but managed to pass the car in front of us in time to avoid an accident.

His passing was God's time for him, and I mourn. I agree with you the hysteria that it was a "warning" of the end of time is a bit overblown.

On the other hand, many of Pastor Wilkerson's prophecies, good and bad, have come true: His prophecy that the East would have Christianity preached to them by other Christians from Asia sounded ridiculous 30 years ago, but now some estimate ten percent of China is Christian. Ditto for Russia, where the Orthodoxy is thriving and smaller Christian churches are too.

His predictions of the gay infiltration of society and the churches also came true. His vision of "career folks" in churches, especially in the Catholic church, was also true, but the strategy of John Paul II to do a "hail mary pass", and instead of fighting them and maybe being eliminated, he went straight to the youth to preach full Christianity. The "John Paul II" generation is now growing up and starting to take over...as a result, the takeover of the Catholic church is being threatened, although the liberals are still strong in Europe and parts of the US...(Catholic will know what I mean: The Vatican types that gave us certain bishops who were liberal and forgave pedophiles instead of kicking them out, while they allowed liberal nuns to destroy their convents, pushing out the nuns who still were Christian).

Finally, in the past few years he has been warning about an economic collapse.

Some of his predictions were wrong, such as more attacks against the US when the 1990 Gulf war started, and he confessed that to his people he got that part wrong, but he did point out that the outpouring of prayers may have postponed the judgment but that only full repentance would stop the US spiral into an anti christian state.

No, I'm not an "Obama antichrist" type, but I do know that Obama removed the laws protecting the consciences of docs and others who don't want to do abortions. And I don't think it will stop here.

27 posted on 05/01/2011 6:27:26 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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David Wilkerson The Vision Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4i6q07j59k&feature=related


28 posted on 05/01/2011 6:28:16 PM PDT by Joya (Everything is ruined. Jesus is coming back. Something to look forward to, it is more than enough.)
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David Wilkerson The Vision Part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYgiHFcR-JM&feature=related


29 posted on 05/01/2011 6:29:34 PM PDT by Joya (Everything is ruined. Jesus is coming back. Something to look forward to, it is more than enough.)
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To: TruthConquers

I think you’re right.


30 posted on 05/01/2011 7:13:11 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Larry Lucido

I think she’s got it right.


31 posted on 05/01/2011 7:22:18 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Caddyman

Ping


32 posted on 05/01/2011 8:46:10 PM PDT by JesusBmyGod (Baruch ha'ba B'Shem Adonai)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


33 posted on 05/01/2011 9:25:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
People who refuse to concede the possibility that Wilkerson committed suicide are in denial. He was not wearing a seatbelt veered into a truck coming from the other direction. We've heard nothing about bad weather conditions or alcohol, so I'm sadly concluding this was suicide.
34 posted on 05/02/2011 8:54:20 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: utahagen

HOW can you possibly KNOW?

It is evil to speak ill of someone AFTER they are dead.

I guess YOU never make a mistake, eh?

Lets see how you drive when you are 79.
And since when are newsreports accuate? Since when do they tell all of the factors, like race, during a crime? Bah, bah, sheeple.

Lets just forget how old he was. Yep, lets just assume he can and always will drive perfectly even at 79.

Gads. Some people just want to stir the pot.


35 posted on 05/02/2011 9:04:13 AM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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