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Stephen Hawking: 'There Is No Heaven; It's A Fairy Story'
Guardian (UK) ^ | May 16, 2011

Posted on 05/15/2011 7:58:19 PM PDT by Steelfish

Stephen Hawking: 'There Is No Heaven; It's A Fairy Story' In an exclusive interview with the Guardian, the cosmologist shares his thoughts on death, M-theory, human purpose and our chance existence

Sunday 15 May 2011

A belief that heaven or an afterlife awaits us is a "fairy story" for people afraid of death, Stephen Hawking has said. In a dismissal that underlines his firm rejection of religious comforts, Britain's most eminent scientist said there was nothing beyond the moment when the brain flickers for the final time.

Hawking, who was diagnosed with motor neurone disease at the age of 21, shares his thoughts on death, human purpose and our chance existence in an exclusive interview with the Guardian today.

The incurable illness was expected to kill Hawking within a few years of its symptoms arising, an outlook that turned the young scientist to Wagner, but ultimately led him to enjoy life more, he has said, despite the cloud hanging over his future.

"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he said.

"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark," he added.

Hawking's latest comments go beyond those laid out in his 2010 book, The Grand Design, in which he asserted that there is no need for a creator to explain the existence of the universe. The book provoked a backlash from some religious leaders, including the chief rabbi, Lord Sacks, who accused Hawking of committing an "elementary fallacy" of logic.

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1 posted on 05/15/2011 7:58:24 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

He thinks matter comes from nothing? This is a scientist?


2 posted on 05/15/2011 7:59:17 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Steelfish

So how does he explain “miracles”?


3 posted on 05/15/2011 7:59:42 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

Behold! The Oracle has texted!


4 posted on 05/15/2011 8:01:15 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Like most secularists, Hawking worships himself, which is why he rejects the God of the Bible.


5 posted on 05/15/2011 8:01:22 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Steelfish

Hawking is proof that the old saying, “There are no atheist in foxholes” is not always true.


6 posted on 05/15/2011 8:02:13 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (artemis_webb@yahoo.com --Lord knows how long before I'm banned so please say hello sometime.)
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To: Steelfish
“Stephen Hawking: ‘There Is No Heaven; It's A Fairy Story’”

And he knows all about life after death? Has proven its existence or nonexistence?

Sorry, Mr. Hawking; I'll take the Bible over your opinion.

7 posted on 05/15/2011 8:05:13 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Steelfish

So life arose from non-life, eh Steve? Interesting.


8 posted on 05/15/2011 8:06:44 PM PDT by Antoninus (Hey Obama--Nice job taking out Osama. We're still going to run you out of DC in 2012.)
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To: Steelfish

If I didn’t believe in Heaven, I’d think I’d be MORE afraid of death.


9 posted on 05/15/2011 8:09:05 PM PDT by swatbuznik
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To: Steelfish

Pity this man. He has an immense IQ, yet dismisses his own soul. I pray that he comes to a true understanding before hismdeath.


10 posted on 05/15/2011 8:09:33 PM PDT by freemama
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To: Artemis Webb

When was he ever in a foxhole?


11 posted on 05/15/2011 8:09:39 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: Steelfish
Stephen Hawking: 'There Is No Heaven; It's A Fairy Story'

You have done the research? No? And there are other people who have gone there and back and they say that there is a Heaven and an afterlife.

So Mr Hawkings who would you as a scientist be inclined to believe, someone who has first hand knowledge or someone talking out of their hat?

Don't rush to answer. Take all the time you need.

12 posted on 05/15/2011 8:09:39 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Yesterday I meditated, today I seek balance. That was Zen, this is Tao.)
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To: Steelfish

The human brain evolved enough to perceive an afterlife—the overwhelming majority of humans accept an afterlife as fact—the scientific consensus therefore,based on the physical laws of natural selection,is that those who DON’T accept an afterlife are outliers—flat earthers who are underdeveloped mentally,genetically damaged or just plain stupid.


13 posted on 05/15/2011 8:10:07 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("I speak LOUDLY and I carry an even BIGGER stick! And I use it too-WHACK!!!"-candidate YS.)
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To: Steelfish

It’s also a ‘fair story’ that Hawking will walk through the Pearly Gates.


14 posted on 05/15/2011 8:10:35 PM PDT by tatown (Obama is a turd)
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To: Steelfish

I can understand why he might rejerct God, considering his medical condition.


15 posted on 05/15/2011 8:10:37 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Steelfish

When we cure the common cold, get back to me about something entirely beyond our current understanding of time and space.


16 posted on 05/15/2011 8:10:37 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Steelfish

Well, Hawkings believes in the fairy tale of Global Climate Warming Change.


17 posted on 05/15/2011 8:10:51 PM PDT by swatbuznik
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To: Steelfish
He is not far from finding it out for real. Trouble is wont be able to tell us he was wrong.
18 posted on 05/15/2011 8:11:07 PM PDT by fish hawk (Obama = "low-level socialist organizer". Allen West)
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To: Steelfish

“A belief that heaven or an afterlife awaits us is a “fairy story” for people afraid of death, Stephen Hawking has said.”

I would believe that also, were it not for the events surrounding the life of Jesus Christ.

One that really steadies my mind is this: Jesus, in his time was basically a poor worker - an nobody. Yet he claimed that eventually the entire world would hear of him and that he would have followers in ever nation. The fact that he (or the writer of the Gospel) made these claims is historically indisputable - we have the early manuscripts. These statements were not made up and attributed to him 500 years later.

Here’s the kicker - we are living in the fulfillment of his words 2,000 years later. He was dead on right.

If he was right about that, then he just very well may might be right about the other things he taught regarding heaven, hell, God, personal accountability, etc.


19 posted on 05/15/2011 8:11:14 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: anniegetyourgun
He thinks matter comes from nothing? This is a scientist?

Heaven is a "fairy story" but "matter coming from nothing" is science.

Go figure.

20 posted on 05/15/2011 8:11:55 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Steelfish

This may sound cruel but methinks that S.Hawkins is a bunch of sour grapes. He is irrelevant on this subject.


21 posted on 05/15/2011 8:12:01 PM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: Steelfish

For eternity, Stephen Hawking wasn’t conscious, but now he is. He’d probably say that’s impossible, too.


22 posted on 05/15/2011 8:12:57 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Steelfish

Science tell us the how, and religion tell us why. Your home did not just appear out of the blue one day with all it features and different rooms. Someone built it... Your computer did not just appear out of no where with Windows, the Internet and email one day. Someone built it. It like love. You can’t prove it, but you know and feel it’s there.

Steven Hawking is in disagreement with Max Plank and Albert Einstein. Even if I was not sure when it came to this question, there is no way I would bet against Plank and Einstein.


23 posted on 05/15/2011 8:12:57 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: anniegetyourgun
He thinks matter comes from nothing? This is a scientist?

Obviously you aren't.

24 posted on 05/15/2011 8:13:50 PM PDT by LeGrande (“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian religion” John)
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To: anniegetyourgun

No, he thinks the universe has always exited. There is no “before”

If you create the concept of an eternal god, whey not eternal universe. If something can be eternal why do you chose god when your senses say otherwise.

He says that the universes existence is not solved by creating a chicken and egg fallacy


25 posted on 05/15/2011 8:15:44 PM PDT by Manta (Obama to issue executive order repealing laws of physics)
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To: Steelfish
All of Stephen's scientific knowledge doesn't touch on half the equation of reality; human consciousness.

Until he can explain human consciousness, he doesn't understand squat.

26 posted on 05/15/2011 8:16:34 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islamophobia: The fear of offending Muslims because they are prone to violence.)
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To: Steelfish

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe. - Albert Einstein


27 posted on 05/15/2011 8:17:46 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Sprite518
Steven Hawking is in disagreement with Max Plank and Albert Einstein. Even if I was not sure when it came to this question, there is no way I would bet against Plank and Einstein.

How exactly is Hawking in disagreement with them? Inquiring minds want to know.

28 posted on 05/15/2011 8:18:08 PM PDT by LeGrande (“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian religion” John)
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To: Steelfish

I thought this guy was supposed to be smart.


29 posted on 05/15/2011 8:18:27 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (America's fastest growing faith: born-again waterboarders)
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To: Steelfish

I also think that S. Hawkings is not getting any attention as of late. Sorry that I don’t have any pity for his affliction when he, sort of angrily, comes up with this tripe. He will meet his Maker one day.

Dr. Stangelove comes to mind... Also going mad in a wheelchair!


30 posted on 05/15/2011 8:18:59 PM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: Steelfish
Creation Myths of the Tenured
31 posted on 05/15/2011 8:20:56 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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To: Manta

Because whereas an eternally existing God is merely a mystery, an eternally existing universe is an absurdity.


32 posted on 05/15/2011 8:21:56 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Steelfish
Boy is he going to be surprised. I wish him the best. He has suffered much in this life. I pray the Lord has mercy on him.
33 posted on 05/15/2011 8:22:10 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
All of Stephen's scientific knowledge doesn't touch on half the equation of reality; human consciousness.

"This is what happens when a good deal of intelligence is invested in ignorance, when the need for illusion is deep."

Religious delusions?

34 posted on 05/15/2011 8:22:38 PM PDT by LeGrande (“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian religion” John)
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To: Steelfish

I’d like to see his proof of this assertion.


35 posted on 05/15/2011 8:23:10 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: vladimir998
"When was he ever in a foxhole?"

Metaphorically speaking:


36 posted on 05/15/2011 8:25:28 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (artemis_webb@yahoo.com --Lord knows how long before I'm banned so please say hello sometime.)
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To: LeGrande

Hawking is implying that there is no God. Don’t say he is not. I have already seen where he said this before. It’s not new. Came out in the last year or so... At any rate,

Let me give you one of my favorite quotes from Max Plank....,

When Max Plank accepted the Nobel price for Physics these were his words,

“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science to the study of matter. I can tell you as the result of my research about atoms this much. There is no matter as such… All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.”

Do you know what Einstein was trying to figure out when he passed away? Look it up if you do not know.


37 posted on 05/15/2011 8:26:01 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Jonty30
I can understand why he might rejerct God, considering his medical condition.

If humans practiced the evolution that people like Hawking preach, then someone like himself would have been left at the wayside to die... animals have no use for sick or crippled members of their own species.

And of course, there are plenty of very sick people who embrace God with faith that makes almost all of us blush... so what makes Prof. Hawking so special?

38 posted on 05/15/2011 8:26:59 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Steelfish

“A belief that heaven or an afterlife awaits us is a ‘fairy story’ for people afraid of death...”
_________________________________________________________

No Stephen, we know death is inevitable; it’s you who fears, or are too arrogant to come to the Light.

Proverbs 1:7

“7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”


39 posted on 05/15/2011 8:28:15 PM PDT by Artcore
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>>> Britain’s most eminent scientist said there was nothing beyond the moment when the brain flickers for the final time.

Funny, he doesn’t sound British.

>>> He thinks matter comes from nothing? This is a scientist?

Applying Occam’s Razor that’s a simpler concept then believing an all powerful intelligent force came from nothing. That’s where faith comes in. No?

As for being a scientist, no he is being a philosopher, though unfairly given a boost from his legitimate scientific reputation. But as a philosopher, his opinions are worth no more then the next fellow. Anyone is entitled to an opinion, but by definition his mastery of physics does not address the metaphysical.


40 posted on 05/15/2011 8:32:34 PM PDT by tlb
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To: Steelfish
If the third human on this planet did not come from two other ones!..
A very creative Yarn must be spun.. many Yarns have been offered..

Science fiction MUST be very logical, else whats the point..
Reality however need not be logical to humans at all..

41 posted on 05/15/2011 8:34:28 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Steelfish

Has Mr. Big Brain successfully explained the way a human cell just developed in the murk? With all the little motors and electrical actions taking place? How about the human eye — all just happened by chance - sure it did.


42 posted on 05/15/2011 8:35:31 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Steelfish

Only mediocre ‘scientists’ ignore multiple reports of the same phenomenon.


43 posted on 05/15/2011 8:36:15 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Steelfish

That’s his opinion - he didn’t believe in time travel for a long time either... I tend to trust him within his field - out of that hand he’s just another man...


44 posted on 05/15/2011 8:37:17 PM PDT by GOPJ (Osama bin SEALed - http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html)
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Sorry Stephan. I’ve seen and lived through enough crazy crap to know that there’s God, Satan, spiritual warfare and an afterlife.


45 posted on 05/15/2011 8:37:49 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Steelfish
I'd like to see Hawking prove that his own mind is more than a fairy tale.

He would probably like us to believe that he is a conscious being, that within his body there is a point conscious self-awareness, that there is an I there, but I'd like to see him prove it.

I want him to prove, scientifically, that there's a tiny spaghetti monster somewhere within him that's "driving the bus" so to speak.

46 posted on 05/15/2011 8:37:57 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Cvengr
Only mediocre ‘scientists’ ignore multiple reports of the same phenomenon.

*Cough*Global Warming*Cough*

47 posted on 05/15/2011 8:38:05 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Steelfish

i hope the Lord will see fit to heal mr hawking of his affliction so that this poor soul can be saved.


48 posted on 05/15/2011 8:38:24 PM PDT by teeman8r (armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Steelfish

Stephen Hawking died and returned?? Wow, he is really something else. Good to know. How long was he dead?


49 posted on 05/15/2011 8:40:12 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Steelfish

Imagine If he were to come out and take a faithful stand for God the Creator. Would he would be banished from the worldwide church of science and government cheese?


50 posted on 05/15/2011 8:40:55 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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