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God love you, God bless you, and Good-Bye [Catholic Caucus]
The Black Sheepdog ^ | June 17, 2011 | John Corapi

Posted on 06/17/2011 10:15:35 PM PDT by sitetest

This Sunday, June 19, 2011, is both Trinity Sunday on the Catholic liturgical calendar and Fathers’ Day on the secular calendar. It is a day I’ll never forget, and sadly so. It is the twentieth anniversary of my ordination to the priesthood in the Catholic Church. For twenty years I was called “father.” I am very thankful for those twenty years. I could have easily died any number of times, any number of ways in my life before that, so I consider it all a bonus, an undeserved bonus. To all of you that have communicated support, ordination anniversary congratulations, and other kind sentiments, I am greatly thankful, and I do not take that for granted.

All things change, only God stays the same, so I have to tell you about a major change in my life. I am not going to be involved in public ministry as a priest any longer. There are certain persons in authority in the Church that want me gone, and I shall be gone. I have been guilty of many things in the course of my life, and could easily and justifiably be considered unfit to engage in public ministry as a priest. The present complaint that you have heard about is, as far as I know, from the one person that I can honestly say I did more to help and support than any human being in my entire life. I forgive her and hope only good things for her. I am not going to get into a back and forth or argument with the Church or anyone else about this matter.

Suffice it to say that I love the Catholic Church and accept what has transpired. Unfortunately, the process used is inherently and fatally flawed, but the bishops have the power, apparently, to operate anyway they see fit. I cannot give a lengthy explanation of what has transpired, but I can tell you that the most likely outcome is that they leave me suspended indefinitely and just let me fade away. They can’t prove I’m guilty of the things alleged because I’m not, and they can’t prove I’m innocent because that is simply illogical and impossible. All civilized societies know that. Certain leaders in the Catholic Church apparently do not.

I accept moving on, but I am not ready to be altogether extinguished just yet. In the final analysis I have only one of only two viable choices: 1. I can quietly lie down and die, or 2. I can go on in ways that I am able to go on.

I did not start this process, the Bishop of Corpus Christi, Texas ordered my superiors, against their will and better judgment, to do it. He in fact threatened to release a reprehensible and libelous letter to all of the bishops if they did not suspend me. He has a perfect right to do so, and I defend that right. Bishops aren’t bound by civil laws and procedures in internal Church matters. I agree with that, and would defend to the death the Church’s right to proceed as they see fit. He is the bishop and he has the right to govern as he sees fit. It isn’t an easy task. Many forces besiege him, including pressure from other bishops.

My canon lawyer and my civil lawyers have concluded that I cannot receive a fair and just hearing under the Church’s present process. The Church will conclude that I am not cooperating with the process because I refuse to give up all of my civil and human rights in order to hold harmless anyone who chooses to say defamatory and actionable things against me with no downside to them. The case may be on hold indefinitely, but my life cannot be. Some of the things that might surprise you about the way some of the bishops treat accused priests are as follows:

1. The identity of the accuser is not revealed. You can guess, but you don’t actually know. Nor are the exact allegations made known to you. Hence, you have an interesting situation of having to respond to an unknown accuser making unknown accusations (unknown to the accused and his counsel).

2. The persons chosen to investigate the allegations normally have no qualifications to do so. They certainly didn’t graduate from the FBI academy, nor do they have any other background to qualify them to interrogate or otherwise interview witnesses.

3. There are no set rules of evidence or norms of procedure.

4. You are for all practical purposes assumed guilty until you can prove you are innocent. This one is truly baffling. No civilized society operates that way. If you are accused of something you are considered innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

5. The accused and his counsel have no right to obtain and review any of the evidence against him.

6. The accused and his counsel are not provided the names of witnesses, nor are they permitted to cross-examine them.

7. There is a general unwillingness or outright refusal by certain of the bishops to abide by applicable statutes of limitations, both in canon and civil law. There are good reasons for these statutes. Time has a way of clouding memories and distorting perceptions.

By the way, Canon Law does not dictate this. They choose to selectively ignore or violate both Canon Law and Civil Law, as they deem appropriate and or expeditious. Once again, they apparently have the discretionary power to do this, and if that’s the way it is I have to accept that as reality.

The bottom line is that the only way a just outcome is likely, in my view and that of my counsel, both civil and canon lawyers, is by accident, rather than as a result of the process.

I will not try to fight this irrational and unjust situation for the simple reason that I don’t want to be placed in an adversarial posture against the Church. For 20 years I did my best to guard and feed the sheep. Now, based on a totally unsubstantiated, undocumented allegation from a demonstrably troubled person I was thrown out like yesterday’s garbage. I accept that. Perhaps I deserve that.

I can’t do what I can’t do. I can only do what I can do. I shall continue, black sheep that I am, to speak; and sheep dog that I am, to guard the sheep—this time around not just in the Church, but also in the entire world. I am, indeed, not ready to be extinguished. Under the name “The Black Sheep Dog,” I shall be with you through radio broadcasts and writing. My autobiography, “The Black Sheep Dog,” is almost ready for publication. My topics will be broader than in the past, and my audience likewise is apt to be broader. I’ll do what I can under the circumstances.

Please don’t bother the bishop or complain because it will do no good and it wastes valuable time and energy, both his and yours.

I hope you stay with us and follow us into our new domain and name of “The Black Sheep Dog.” Through writing and broadcasting we hope to continue to dispense truth and hope to a world so much in need of it. For those of you who choose to part company and go away from us, we wish you well and thank you for your many kindnesses over the years. We’ll miss you in our usual meeting places, but assure you that there will be new places for us to meet, just like in “the good old days,” so for now,

God bless you, God love you, and goodbye.

John Corapi (once called “father,” now “The Black Sheep Dog”)


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Prayer; Religion & Culture
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To: cothrige

the whole thing smells, money is a powerful temptation.


101 posted on 06/18/2011 8:35:42 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: arkady_renko; Salvation; one Lord one faith one baptism
Salvation, I respect you greatly, but the question is not whether he is getting a raw deal, but, would you be led by a Black Sheep Dog?

A very fair question.

Like you, I respect Salvation greatly, and I find S's posts on this thread to have a spirit of compassion and charity.

But, I do have great reservations about the letter posted, and I see it as manipulative. I also agree with OneFaith that it is obvious that Fr C. does not want this matter to be further investigated.

102 posted on 06/19/2011 1:47:38 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“...it doesn’t excuse this priest’s behaviour though.”

So, he’s guilty?

PS: Your posts made me sick to my stomach.


103 posted on 06/19/2011 7:02:13 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

i choose not to lead my life with my head up my butt. i assume this priest is a rational human being, in full control of his mind. i further assume he wants to be a Catholic priest. now, if those assumptions are true, i ask myself, would a rational person who wishes to continue in the priesthood, give that up because he is concerned about not getting a fair hearing from the Bishop? especially, when he always has the option to quit the priesthood if his fears about the “process” turn out to be well founded? no, no, no, a thousand times no. his behaviour has guilty written all over it. how many times have we seen this act before, the well crafted non-denial denial? the new book coming out and his goofy black sheep name and website only confirms that serving Jesus Christ is not what this man is about. sorry to burst your bubble!

p.s. as for your stomach issues, may i suggest maalox or stop reading my posts?


104 posted on 06/19/2011 7:20:11 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Another alternative might be that you curb your nauseating enthusiasm in proactively propagandizing someone of guilt without the presumption of innocence.


105 posted on 06/19/2011 8:56:51 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

i’m no doctor, but if it’s reached the nauseating stage, i’d go right to the pepto-bismol.


106 posted on 06/19/2011 10:07:42 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
you say it’s calumny, but that’s what the defenders of Weiner were saying

One has nothing to do with the other; your reasoning is terrible and you are still committing calumny.

where there is smoke, there is fire

What is the nature of the smoke? He hasn't been told.

his own statement says he did more to help this woman than anyone else, he doesn’t deny the relationship.

How is helping another person some sort of bad or illicit relationship? Again you are committing calumny.

the truth will come out. why all the lawyers??

Does not one have the right to defend oneself from false accusation? You make no sense. You have condemned this man unjustly. You are not merely saying "I think he is guilty" but you are stating "I know he is guilty" without any evidence. Truly despicable behavior.

107 posted on 06/20/2011 4:14:12 AM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: arkady_renko
Another option would have been to enter a monastery where he could say Mass and pray for sinners everywhere.

He cannot say Mass nor administer any Sacraments as he is suspended indefinitely. He has been put in limbo as they cannot proceed with the case because they cannot convict. So rather than dropping the case the Bishop has him put in suspended status indefinitely.

108 posted on 06/20/2011 4:19:41 AM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: Cronos
Saint George Preca from Malta was silenced for 10 years (basically under house arrest) until his bishop called him into his office and apologized for the unjust treatment he had received.
109 posted on 06/20/2011 1:45:41 PM PDT by mware
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To: frogjerk; Salvation; annalex; marshmallow; Rashputin; mlizzy; surroundedbyblue

let me offer this analogy for all the ever dwindling defenders of this man. suppose someone accuses me of cheating on my wife. now i think my wife will believe this person and not give me a fair hearing. i know i didn’t do anything wrong, but my wife just will not listen to my side of the story, she will jump the gun. what can i do in this case? well, it’s clear, the only option i have is to divorce my wife. yes, because i can’t get a fair hearing, i must divorce her. oh, i also must give myself a goofy nickname, write a book and get a website!


110 posted on 06/20/2011 4:00:26 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Why are you judging when Jesus, himself, tells us not to judge??

Gospel

Jesus said to his disciples:
“Stop judging, that you may not be judged.
For as you judge, so will you be judged,
and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.
Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye,
but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?
How can you say to your brother,
‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’
while the wooden beam is in your eye?
You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first;
then you will see clearly
to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.”


111 posted on 06/20/2011 5:22:17 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

one of the more abused passages of the bible. so you think Jesus is teaching that if a priest breaks his vows, we should just say “judge not, lest you be judged”?


112 posted on 06/20/2011 7:15:12 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; frogjerk; Salvation; marshmallow; Rashputin; mlizzy; ...

It is not possible to remarry after divorcing a living spouse, but it is entirely possible to separate yourself from the wife who will side with the accuser as unreasonably as the Church’s policy is in this matter.

Thank you for the apt analogy.


113 posted on 06/20/2011 7:27:48 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

i hope he owns the rights to the black sheep t-shirts, coffee mugs, pens, etc. etc. what a phony! i think the people defending him also thought clinton, edwards, weiner, swaggart, baker all were innocent too, after all, they all denied at first as well.


114 posted on 06/20/2011 7:43:17 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: annalex

what exactly is “unreasonable” about the Church’s position in this matter? they shouldn’t investigate the allegations? is this guy and his ego above the Church?


115 posted on 06/20/2011 7:49:43 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; Salvation; annalex; marshmallow; Rashputin; mlizzy; ...
Plain and simple: Your analogy doesn't make any sense because it doesn't parallel itself to the matter at hand. Also, you seem to be consumed with a hatred of this man for whatever reason.

What you don't get is that this man is personally responsible for bringing countless people back to into the fold and because of this many are giving him the benefit of the doubt (myself included).

Please, stop hating the man and ascribing various motives to him without the slightest bit of evidence. You are doing nothing but throwing salt in the wound of many Catholics to justify your hatred of this man.

116 posted on 06/20/2011 8:34:13 PM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: frogjerk

go to the man’s website, it’s his name.com look around. you will see topics on all kinds of religious subjects. now, click on the subjects. what do you notice? EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE ON IT. NOTHING ON THE SITE IS FREE!! HE SELLS, BOOKS, TAPES, VIDEOS, ETC. NOW, ASK YOURSELF, WHERE DOES ALL THIS MONEY GO TO? IS HE SPREADING THE FAITH OR LINING HIS POCKET? IS HE FEEDING THE POOR OR HIS BANK ACCOUNT?

I HATE HYPOCRISY, NOT HIM AS A PERSON. I WISH HE WOULD REPENT AND FOLLOW JESUS.

I AM NOT THROWING SALT, I AM TRYING TO OPEN EYES AND SEE WHAT THIS “SHEEP MAN” IS ALL ABOUT.

FOLLOW CHRIST, NOT CORAPI.


117 posted on 06/20/2011 8:43:38 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; annalex; Salvation; marshmallow; Rashputin; mlizzy
From another thread: “something mighty fishy here”

ya think??

one Lord one faith one baptism
Since Jan 1, 2011

First post on Saturday, June 18, 2011 on this very topic

Yes, something seems fishy.

Why are you accusing me of not following Christ? Can you read my heart? You are very presumptuous in your assertions toward me and others on this thread. We all need conversion everyday including yourself.

118 posted on 06/20/2011 8:52:44 PM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
I bought his Catechism series a while back. It was the best investment that I ever made because it got me back into the life of Christ and His Church. If it cost one million dollars it would have been worth it.

You will know a tree by its fruits. A bad tree doesn't produce bad fruit.

119 posted on 06/20/2011 8:56:21 PM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: frogjerk

hmm.... sounds like something Jimmy Swaggart or Jimmy Baker could have said.

this story hasn’t played itself out yet, not by a long shot.

wait til he is deposed, then we’ll see what “fruits” he will be known by.


120 posted on 06/20/2011 9:00:28 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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