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What Does GIRM 160 for the USA Really Say? (Communion posture) [Catholic Caucus]
WDTPRS.com ^ | 24 June 2011 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 07/02/2011 8:42:07 PM PDT by Salvation

What Does GIRM 160 for the USA Really Say?

 

When the new English translation of the Roman Missal is released, it will sport a new translation of the GIRM, the General Institution/Instruction of the Roman Missal.

There are, of course, adaptations for the USA and other Anglophone regions.

As it happens, the Congregation for Divine Worship has … tweaked some items.  I am sure this was to harmonize the language of the GIRM with the language of the rest of the Roman Missal.  However, tweaks may have been tweaked for other reasons.

For example, take a look at GIRM 160 for the USA.  The Latin is found on the USCCB website.

LATIN:
… Fideles communicant genuflexi vel stantes, prout Conferentia Episcoporum statuerit. Cum autem stantes communicant, commendatur ut debitam reverentiam, ab iisdem normis statuendam, ante susceptionem Sacramenti faciant.

 

OLDER USA ADAPTATION VERSION:
… The norm for reception of Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States is standing. Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel. Rather, such instances should be addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm.

NEWER USA ADAPTATION VERSION:
… The norm established for the Dioceses of the United States of America is that Holy Communion is to be received standing, unless an individual member of the faithful wishes to receive Communion while kneeling (Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, Instruction, Redemptionis Sacramentum, March 25, 2004, no. 91).

The rest of GIRM 160 remains as it was.

There is no mention of addressing the instances “pastorally” or giving “properly catechizing” people who kneel to receive their GOD.

In other words, when people kneel to receive Almighty GOD, priests and other ministers are to give Communion to the person and keep their mouths shut.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; eucharist; girm; holycommunion; kneeling; romanmissal
Quite interesting. I'm going to be posting something else the the USCCB version of the GIRM.
1 posted on 07/02/2011 8:42:12 PM PDT by Salvation
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Here’s the url for the beautiful picture that isn’t showing. Put it in your browser to see it.

http://www.wdtprs.com/images2/11_06_24_First_Communion.jpg


2 posted on 07/02/2011 8:43:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion at Mass (from the USCCB website)

Liturgy Guides
Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion at Mass
 
 

General Principles

In every celebration of the Eucharist, there should be a sufficient number of ministers of Holy Communion so that it may be distributed in a reverent and orderly manner. Bishops, priests and deacons distribute Holy Communion in virtue of their office as ordinary ministers of the Body and Blood of the Lord. (1)

When the size of the congregation or the incapacity of the bishop, priest, or deacon requires it, the celebrant may be assisted by other bishops, priests, or deacons. If such ordinary ministers of Holy Communion are not present, "the priest may call upon extraordinary ministers to assist him, i.e., duly instituted acolytes or even other faithful who have been deputed for this purpose. In case of necessity, the priest may also depute suitable faithful for this single occasion (GIRM 162)."

Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion should receive sufficient spiritual, theological, and practical preparation to fulfill their role with knowledge and reverence. In all matters they should follow the guidance of the diocesan bishop (Norms for the Distribution and Reception of Holy Communion Under Both Kinds for the Dioceses of the United States of America, NDRHC, no. 28). When recourse is had to Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion, especially in the distribution of Holy Communion under both kinds, their number should not be increased beyond what is required for the orderly and reverent distribution of the Body and Blood of the Lord. In all matters such Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion should follow the guidance of the diocesan bishop (IBID).

All ministers of Holy Communion should show the greatest reverence for the Most Holy Eucharist by their demeanor, their attire, and the manner in which they handle the consecrated bread or wine. Should there be any mishap--as when, for example, the consecrated wine is spilled from the chalice--then the affected "area . . . should be washed and the water poured into the sacrarium [GIRM, 280]." (NDRHC, 29).

Liturgy of the Eucharist:

Notes
  1. Norms for the Distribution and Reception of Holy Communion Under Both Kinds for the Dioceses of the United States of America [NDRHC] (August, 2002), no. 26 and cf. GIRM no. 162 and NRHC, no. 28

3 posted on 07/02/2011 8:47:29 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Some new guidelines for Communion Ping!


4 posted on 07/02/2011 8:50:24 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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That is beautiful religious artwork.


5 posted on 07/02/2011 8:53:36 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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6 posted on 07/02/2011 8:54:24 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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"However, tweaks may have been tweaked for other reasons."

Even as an Alter-Boy at St Josephs Church in Oil City , PA back in the 1960's I always suspected some of these guys were tweaking. . . even though we didn't know what the heck it even meant back then.

7 posted on 07/02/2011 9:53:42 PM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard / Still Think You're Free?)
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I’m hoping to find out what new G says about ‘hand holding’ and ‘foot washing’...


8 posted on 07/03/2011 2:46:56 AM PDT by aimee5291
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I found out when our Granddaughter Tara made her 1st Holy Communion on April 29, 2011 that they do it 'a little bit different' than they did 50 years ago when I made mine :-)

Heres' a few of the pics I took at the church (existing light, no flash, hand held, sitting a pew near back of church). I took a total of 131 photos that day. Good thing I'm using digital now the Film Costs & Processing would have been huge.

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And here the Priest is looking directly at me ;-)
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But what got everyone in our family 'irked' were that the girls were instructed: NO Vail, and NO Gloves. Our Granddaughter was the ONLY one to comply!

I was the only one using 'professional grade' Camera Equip and a long zoom lens.
These are all raw, unfinished, un-retouched, 'proof grade' pics. All of these are resized way down. The originals on Photobucket are very large, as exactly from the camera's settings (large is needed for easier 'finishing') .

9 posted on 07/03/2011 5:36:11 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Salvation

Last Sunday, on the Feast of Corpus Christi, the EM’s were used to give instruction on the proper reception of Holy Communion.

As any EM knows, there is much that the parishioners do that is wrong yet they don’t even know it.

I was unaware, for example, that it is wrong to bless oneself with the consecrated host before consummation.

Our priest did a nice job of explaining that the Eucharist must be received and not taken. He said that is why the EMs should never take the ciborium or the cup from the altar, but must receive it from the priest.

It was interesting and I though needed, but, no surprise, the people who receive improperly, still did so. We have been told that it is not our place to correct people as they come to us. I guess that goes for the priest too.

Unless the errors are particularly egregious, i.e. walking away without consuming the host or putting it in their pocket, we are not to say or do anything when one approaches us and does something incorrectly.


10 posted on 07/03/2011 8:38:14 AM PDT by Jvette
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When the person receiving the Eucharist fails to say “Amen”, I will look into their eyes and intone it in a quiet voice for them.

You are right about people receiving the Body of Christ and not taking it.

If they only realized! The REAL Body of Christ that he gave us at the Last Supper!


11 posted on 07/03/2011 8:51:06 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Condor51

Wearing a veil and a beautiful white dress is part of First Communion. I’m wondering about your priest.


12 posted on 07/03/2011 8:53:44 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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We were told the same thing some years ago, when my youngest daughter had her first Communion. The priest said no white dresses or veils and Communion was to be taken in the hand. Most people complied, a few did not. We did comply and later I was very sorry.


13 posted on 07/03/2011 1:18:32 PM PDT by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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*** Wearing a veil and a beautiful white dress is part of First Communion. I’m wondering about your priest. ***

Yes I know and that Priest isn't exactly 'well liked' as he is not exactly 'traditional' I'm told. Like what he has, or lets, the Deacons do during mass.

Our SIL really doesn't like the way he runs things or the church itself (like me he's used to the big 'Old Fashioned Churches' with stained glass windows. But that Parish is the only Catholic Church in Bolingbrook, IL. A pretty big suburb to have only one church.