Fellay
Posted on 09/09/2011 4:27:39 PM PDT by NYer
Fellay
Before a key meeting in Rome, the leader of the traditionalists stressed that he was not prepared to make any compromises and also revealed some interesting behind the scenes happenings…
“If their aim is still to force us to accept the second Vatican Council, the discussions have been clear enough in showing that we have no intention of doing any such thing.”
These were the decisive but prudent words of Bernard Fellay, who was adamant he would not agree to any compromise with the Vatican. On the 15 August, Fellay spoke openly about the talks between the Lefebvrians and the Holy See during the “summer University” of the Society of St. Pius X, fonde by Monsignor Lefebvre.
The transcription of the public interview with the Lefebvrian superior, held by the Society’s press agent, the abbot Alain Lorans, was published a few days ago, on the eve of the meeting in Rome between Fellay and Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which should encapsulate two years of “doctrinal talks” between Rome and the traditionalists.
The Lefebvrian superior’s judgement on the discussions was anything but friendly: “They are not beneficial right now because there is a clash of mentalities… In any case, we are certainly not in agreement. If there is one thing we agree on, that is that we do not agree on anything.”
Monsignor Fellay, one of the Society’s four bishops, ordained against Rome’s will by Monsignor Lefebvre and whose excommunication was removed by Benedict XVI in 2009, called for “extreme prudence” in terms of their relationship with the Vatican, especially in view of next week’s meeting, of which he said he did not know what to expert.
The removal of Fellay’s excommunication, which also meant Monsignor Richard Williamson, an English bishop undergoing trial in Germany for denying the existence of gas chambre and the dimensions of the Holocaust, did not improve the Brotherhood’s position. The Society is not recognised by Rome and its ordinations, which have carried on over the years despite the ban imposed by bishops and the Vatican, are considered “illegal” by the Church.
“If the Society of St. Pius X i sto be recognised, the Vatican Secretary of State said in December 2009, they absolutely must recognise the Council and the teachings of John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II and Benedict XVI himself.”
“People must not believe everything they hear,” the traditionalist superior told his followers. For example the rumours going round about Cardinal Levada making a “pro position” to the Brotherhood to allow it to entre into communion with the Holy See once again: “On what conditions?” Fellay asked himself, “the way I see it, there must be certain conditions.”
He went on to say that “there are those who say that up until now, they (the Vatican, editor’s note) have always tried to shove the Council down our throats. I don’t know. All I am saying is: We are moving on. We have our principles, above all faith… Without faith God can never like you, so our decisioni s made. Faith comes first, no matter what, it even comes before recognition by the Church. We need to be strong.”
During the long interview, “Fellay also revealed nemerous behind the scenes facts relating to the difficult but ongoing relations between the Vatican and the Brotherhood in recent years. A figure which stood out was Colombian cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, formerly president of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, in charge of improving relations with the traditionalists. Even after his retirement, when the former Holy Office took the Commission under its wing as was requested by Benedict XVI, the cardinal seems to have stayed in close contact with Fellay, keeping him up to date with what was going on in the Vatican.
Fellay also explained how the arrival of Pope Ratzinger on the papal throne “set something off” in the Vatican, changing the winds in favour of the traditionalists and opening the way for their potential reintegration: “However, thinking about it and as far asthe person himself is concerned, the mood has certainly changed. Even in the Vatican, his arrival gave courage to those who, calling themselves conservatives, were forced to hide.”
Still, with the revocation of excommunications and the Williamson case in 2009, relations “became more tense”: in June that year, Fellay claims he tried desperately to meet with the Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, but in vain. The traditionalist superior was “diverted” to the Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine for the Faith, cardinal Levada.
Lefebvre’s successor, underlined more than once the divisions that esiste inside the Vatican Curia and warned that any news arriving from Rome should be taken with a pinch of salt. Fellay used the example of an Augustinian monk who was excommunicated and espelle from Rome having “converted” to “Monsignor Lefebvre’s society.”
“If the great saints had been around post-1960 they might have become more discriminating as to what they obeyed and what they questioned as being the work of the devil. “
Obedience to the Church Christ founded NEVER goes out of style....no matter who is leading. Many things often happen which seem unfair. God always tests the obedience of His followers.
PS There have been great saints even after 1960.
They don’t actually. That is why they are going to Rome, again, at his summons.
If the Lefebrerists refuse to recognize the ecumenical authority of Vatican II, and having been brought before the Church for repentance and having refused, let them be to us as a publican. Heck, publicans will preceed them in the Kingdom of Heaven.
We did what we could. If in their obstinacy they choose to resist grace, so be it.
-Theo
Are you babbling ext Cathedra or is that just your odd opinion?
Are you babbling ex Cathedra or is that just your odd opinion?
Why stop with the “Lefebrerists”. There aren’t more than a very few parishes in my diocese which follow the actual teachings of Vatican II. I see the same thing going on in other dioceses.
So does darn near the whole Church get ranked below the “publicans” or is some authority rejection better than others?
Why stop with the “Lefebrerists”. There aren’t more than a very few parishes in my diocese which follow the actual teachings of Vatican II. I see the same thing going on in other dioceses.
So does darn near the whole Church get ranked below the “publicans” or is some authority rejection better than others?
I never babble. I pontificate.
-Theo
The wheat and the tares will grow together until the end of time.
Besides, although all the tares think they know better than the Successor of Peter, one way or the other. Some simply ignore him, whil others presume to dictate terms to him.
At times it is difficult to me to determine which one is more vile.
-Theo
Yep, next step Dajjal is to accept abortion, gay marriage, etc. — something that won’t happen to the Church
RM -- please note
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Could you confirm that this thread was originally marked “caucus”? I always respect the caucus designations and don’t recall seeing it when I first posted. Thanks.
There are no indications that the moderators added the “caucus” designation after it was posted and since only the mods can edit the title, it must have been posted that way.
Got it, thanks
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