Posted on 10/19/2011 2:40:04 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
The Scriptures, from Genesis to Revelations, were given in Hebrew through the YHVH’s original Hebrew children 1st then after the dispersion(fall of the 1st & 2nd Temple) given to and preserved through the house of Judah and the Messianic Nazarene followers of Messiah.
I understand your rejection of Rabbi Sha’ul writings because “Your rejection of Rabbi Sha’ul & his writings” is wholly based on false Christian religious doctrine
Secondly, I have studied Temple Service & the Yom Kippur Red Heifer sacrifice for atonement for sin from the Temple Institute and this specific sacrifice was not done in the Temple. Yah’shua died on a tree on the Mt of Olives, not a cross at what ever location Christianity says he died. Also, Yah’shua shed blood & water when the Roman soldier pierced his side so this theory of suffocation only is quite misleading.
If you want to midrash doctrine, I suggest you at least study it first or go to the Temple Institute and copy & paste from there when speaking of Orthodox Jewish Temple services & sacrifices. Might I also suggest you get a copy of David Stern's Complete Jewish Bible in English? There are still errors in translation that he missed as well as some that show his orthodox roots, but for the most part, it is the most reliable modern version of the Scriptures I have found.
Sorry FRiend..I simply used the online NASB which happens to be cross referenced thoroughly. Hebrews 1 asserts father and his son....but when you check the Tanach quoted in the text...it says nothing about a father and HIS son. It refers to Solomon, or David or Israel. Therefore, Hebrews is flawed.
Red Heifer sacrifice for atonement for sin
Red Heifer was for purifying people who had touched a corpse...Matt, Mark and John all say he was killed at Golgotha...and Jesus was dead before...the roman stabbed him with the spear. The Cross is a suffocation machine...from a Christian site:
the mechanism of death in crucifixion was suffocation. To breathe, the victim was forced to push up on his feet to allow for inflation of the lungs. As the body weakened and pain in the feet and legs became unbearable, the victim was forced to trade breathing for pain and exhaustion. Eventually, the victim would succumb in this way, becoming utterly exhausted or lapsing into unconsciousness so that he could no longer lift his body off the stipes and inflate his lungs. Due to the shallow breathing, the victim’s lungs would begin to collapse in areas, probably causing hypoxia.
Hence, not a blood sacrifice. He suffocated. If you suffocated say....a ram. He would no longer be acceptable as a sacrifice. The sacrifice would be treif. No good. Nor was his body burned as a red heifer, his ashes not mixed with water and sprinkled with hyssop..
I usually avoid midrash when engaging in polemics. The only thing that matters is P'shat.
BTW, I wasnt expecting that you would respond line by line...Shalom....
This still doesn't clear up the fact that I thought I was midrashing respectfully with someone who was giving as much thought and attention to Scripture as I have rather than personal religious views based on who knows what.
Red Heifer was for purifying people who had touched a corpse
As I said, it would have helped your position had you actually studied the purpose.
The Divine ordinance of purification through the ashes of the
RED HEIFER,
as outlined in the book of Numbers, chapter 19
Biblical law is concerned with several types of impurity which have a direct affect on everyday life, especially when the Holy Temple is standing. The most severe type of impurity is that which is caused by exposure to death. There are several methods for restoring purity, most notably immersion in water - but the Bible's exclusive antidote to the impurity of death is purification by sprinkling of the red heifer's ashes. Many of the thousands who arrived at the Holy Temple had to undergo this process before they could enter into the Court.
Special Requirements
The ordinance of the red heifer has detailed requirements which must be met. Some of these are directly relayed in the Biblical verses of Numbers chapter 19; many others were transmitted orally to Moses and than passed down by the rabbis throughout the generations, until the present day. These are expounded upon in the writings of the Oral Tradition.
The heifer must be three years old and perfect in its redness. This means that the presence of as few as two hairs of any other color will render it invalid; it is related that for this reason, the red heifer was always very expensive to procure. Even its hooves must be red. It must also be totally free from any physical blemish or defect, whether internal or external.
Although the red heifer is not a sacrifice per se, for it is not slaughtered in the Temple, it is forbidden that the heifer should possess any of those blemishes which render any sacrifice invalid - such as those enumerated in the book of Leviticus, chapter 22. The red heifer also has an additional, unique requirement: it must have never been used to perform any physical labor. In fact, using the animal in any physical sense at all would render it invalid, even for the slightest, most minor thing. This would include riding, or even leaning on her. The only exception would be some labor which is intrinsically necessary for the heifer's own welfare, such as tying her for her own safety. But if a yoke were placed upon her even once, even if she were not used to plow - this would be enough to render the heifer unfit for use. Thus Scripture states, “that a yoke never went on.”
The commandment calls for the animal to be a “heifer,” that is, 3 or 4 years old; although an older animal could also be used. Since the verse instructs us to take a heifer, we do not purchase a calf and wait for it to grow older while in our custody; “and take a heifer” means that the act of acquisition has to take place while the animal is a heifer. However, if a red calf is available, a price can be set with its owner, and the transaction can be concluded, but we do not take possession until it reaches the proper age as mandated by the Bible.
The animal which meets these requirements and others could be used to fulfill the commandment of providing the ashes for the purification process. This heifer must be brought to the “Mount of Annointment,” a precise location on the Mount of Olives, opposite the eastern gate of the Temple Mount. There the heifer must be slaughtered and burned. Afterwards, its ashes are mixed together with natural spring water. It is this solution, called by the Bible “the waters of sanctification,” which is used to sprinkle on those who are impure.
Numbers 19:1 ADONAI said to Moshe and Aharon, 2 "This is the regulation from the Torah which ADONAI has commanded. Tell the people of Isra'el to bring you a young red female cow without fault or defect and which has never borne a yoke. 3 You are to give it to El'azar the cohen; it is to be brought outside the camp and slaughtered in front of him. 4 El'azar the cohen is to take some of its blood with his finger and sprinkle this blood toward the front of the tent of meeting seven times. 5 The heifer is to be burned to ashes before his eyes -its skin, meat, blood and dung is to be burned to ashes ... 9 A man who is clean is to collect the ashes of the heifer and store them outside the camp in a clean place. They are to be kept for the community of the people of Isra'el to prepare water for purification from sin.
Not just for purification due to close contact with a dead body as one didn't even need to touch it to become unclean, they merely needed to within whispering range of one; but for atonement for sin which is the entire purpose of Yom Kippur. The red heifer was a shadow of Yah'shua and his death & resurrection as atonement for sin. It is why the scarlet ribbon/banner never again turned white from the immediate Yom Kippur after Yah'shua died to the year the temple was destroyed. Yah'shua represented the final Red Heifer. Never again will blood of any kind be shed as atonement for sin or for cleansing. http://www.templeinstitute.org/red_heifer/red_heifer_contents.htm
FYI...”Christ crucified” is a Christian derived phrase and is not a proper translation. As I said, getting a copy of David Stern's complete Jewish bible is a must for those seeking truth. Well, that and actually taking the words back to their origins to make sure the word used is a proper translation.
Hebrews 1 asserts father and his son....but when you check the Tanach quoted in the text...it says nothing about a father and HIS son. It refers to Solomon, or David or Israel
Sadly you didn't actually cross reference properly and check to make sure the NASB translated the Greek properly because had you, the truth would have been as plain as the nose on your face. I believe the basic e-sword, the link I gave you, is still available for free.
Shalom
We are being respectful. But for one, I have a business to run and a family, so my time is limited. I am not very good at HTML and dont post with hyperlinks and such.
My views on Hebrews is just by reading the plain meaning of the text...if the author is quoting the Tanach...I look up that portion and check it using the principles of hermeneutics. The author does not have license to do what he wishes to the text in Tanach. That is what mormons do. Time and time again I see the the text in Hebrews either misquoting or leaving out key parts of the Tanach or attributing charateristics to Jesus that just isnt there in the text. I am sorry, dont take offense. You and I see many things eye to eye but you are clinging to the man from Nazareth, I am not. We were bound to see some things differently. Sending you a PM.
Regarding the Red Heifer, I dont know why you assume I havent studied it. I dont disagree with you for the most part about what it is and where it took place. The important part, to me, is whether or not it has bearing on Jesus, which to me, it does not. Why?
There are as you know, many types of Korbanot. Sin, Burnt, guilt, peace offerings. Each with its own purpose. Jesus for one, as a human is forbbiden from being an offering period. But even if he did qualify as a Red Heifer...that means his atonement would be limited to purification of those who contacted the dead. A person cant read into it more than that because the Torah forbids adding and subtracting. I have read all the works of Michael Brown. He claims in Is 53 that Jesus is an Asham. Okay, if that is true, his atonement is only good for guilt offerings then. Limited atonement. The offering system that the Holy One Blessed be He, set up, can not be messed with. Had he intended to have a god-man human son, that he would kill as an offering, he would have said so...plainly and by no later than the giving of the law at Sinai. That was the final revelation of the law. A national revelation in which ALL heard the voice of G-d. The plan was set. Never to be changed. Fini. The writings and the prophets attest to that.
Never again will blood of any kind be shed as atonement for sin or for cleansing.
Read Ezekiel 44. G-d says otherwise.
Shalom....my FRiend.
I too have a business but thankfully we downsized the trucking operation before the economy tanked so I am blessed to have much reading & study time in this chapter of our lives. Our only living daughter is doing well on her own and and is premed.
principles of hermeneutics
taking the words back to their origins according to the idioms & customs of the times...English was not the original language and most times and it is a minimum of 3 steps to get the word back to its root. That is why I gave you the e-sword link as it allows to have side by side views of Hebrew, Greek & English as well as the dictionaries & lexicons for Hebrew & Greek
As far as Ezekiel goes...one has to take the entire book into context and since this was written prior to the 2nd Temple, therefore it be taken with that context. The fact that Ch 44 talks of rebels, circumcised & uncircumcised is proof this chapter is talking about the rebuilding of the 2nd Temple when they come out of the dispersion after the 1st Temple was destroyed as there will be no rebels living in the land during the millennial reign when Yah’shua Messiah builds the final Temple. Only children of YHVH will be present.
I do however find it intriguing that YHVH speaks of the giving away of HIS land. Has this not been one of the major factors in the harlotry of the house of Judah? Not casting out the rebels & not destroying all idols & things that are an abomination to YHVH? Does this still not go on today with all the disgusting Christian & Muslim idolatry that pollutes HIS Holy land?
A person cant read into it more than that because the Torah forbids adding and subtracting
and what is the Talmud, Midrashim & other writings that religious oral laws of Judaism are based on? This is what keeps me away from joining my Jewish brethren because the additional yokes Judaism places on a person that are not biblical based, but rather put in place out of some sort of need to protect the Scriptures to the point of shutting out YHVH’s scattered children. Once I submit to these man made yokes, I am accountable for them on judgment day. No thank you, the Word of YHVH is the only pure doctrine and it is this doctrine I follow as I learn, just as YHVH told us to do through the adam, Yah’shua Messiah.
Well, my Onkelos just arrived so I am going to see what I can gleam from them that will help me to better understand the Words of YHVH & my Hebrew roots
I totally agree. That is why I use the Chabdad Tanach online, Hebrew english, Mamre hebrew english bible online (less reliable IMHO) Blue letter bible online Hebrew greek and english online...which is probably close to the esword. Which I will try and see how it renders text.
Have you ever talked to an orthodox Jewish Rabbi about the oral law? If you're curious, check out messiah truth forum, they have a lot of discussions going on on all sorts of topics. A good way to investigate at a distance.
At any rate...take care.
Yes I have & still do
What I have come to know is that there is a distinct difference and fine line between defining how the Torah instructions are to be done as YHVH couldn't possibly write every little detail down, I call these helpful instructions to guide us in proper worship & daily living. On the other hand, there is oral law that took this precious gift and corrupted Torah by trying to control every little detail of a person's life, especially on the Sabbath.
I cherish the Siddur and have a much deeper love & appreciation for the Torah & Psalms. One very special teaching on the Siddur & Temple service that I will forever remember daily is that verses 22-29 of Psalms 118 was being sung in the Temple while Yah’shua HaMashiach was dying to save us from the penalty of sin which is eternal death.
Thank you for the research tips. I had already checked out the Blue Letter bible and didn't stay long. I will check into the Chabad Tanach online, however I do have my Artscroll versions with commentary so I do not know that there will much difference. I also have set of the Interlinear Chumash Schottenstein on the way so I am sure to have a lot more questions in the future that only a Rabbi can answer. One of my fav sayings these days is “Everyone needs a Rabbi, even is one isn't Jewish”.
Shalom!
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