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Israeli archaeologists: tiny Christian relic found
AP/Yahoo ^ | 30 Oct 2011 | MATTI FRIEDMAN

Posted on 10/30/2011, 8:11:49 PM by markomalley

A tiny, exquisitely made box found on an excavated street in Jerusalem is a token of Christian faith from 1,400 years ago, Israeli archaeologists said Sunday.

The box, carved from the bone of a cow, horse or camel, decorated with a cross on the lid and measuring only 0.8 inches by 0.6 inches (2 centimeter by 1.5 centimeter), was likely carried by a Christian believer around the end of the 6th century A.D, according to Yana Tchekhanovets of the Israel Antiquities Authority, one of the directors of the dig where the box was found.

When the lid is removed, the remains of two portraits are still visible in paint and gold leaf. The figures, a man and a woman, are probably Christian saints and possibly Jesus and the Virgin Mary.

The box was found in an excavation outside the walls of Jerusalem's Old City in the remains of a Byzantine-era thoroughfare, she said. Uncovered two years ago, it was treated by preservation experts and extensively researched before it was unveiled at an archaeological conference last week.

(Excerpt) Read more at old.news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; israel; jerusalem; letshavejerusalem
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1 posted on 10/30/2011, 8:11:50 PM by markomalley
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To: SunkenCiv; NYer; Kolokotronis

Perhaps of interest...


2 posted on 10/30/2011, 8:12:42 PM by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

It’s so cool to find ancient relics and artifacts.


3 posted on 10/30/2011, 8:15:11 PM by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: markomalley

"I was wondering where I lost that..."

4 posted on 10/30/2011, 8:17:09 PM by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

That’s a waste of lipstick.


5 posted on 10/30/2011, 8:20:40 PM by meatloaf (It's time to push back against out of control government.)
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To: meatloaf

“That’s a waste of lipstick”

Yep, you can put all the lipstick and perfume on it and it is still a .........


6 posted on 10/30/2011, 8:27:08 PM by Parley Baer
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To: markomalley
When did the cross become a crucifix ?

Not a trick Q, an honest inquirey

7 posted on 10/30/2011, 8:33:04 PM by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

A Crucifix has an image of the Crucified Christ on it, a Cross does not.


8 posted on 10/30/2011, 8:37:52 PM by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: knarf
When did the cross become a crucifix ? Not a trick Q, an honest inquirey

A long article about it is in the Catholic Encyclopedia. Read it for yourself: bottom line is between the 6th and 8th centuries.

9 posted on 10/30/2011, 8:40:47 PM by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: narses
Yeah, I KNOW that.

My question was to question the assumption of the images.

If it is Jesus and Mary, it is Catholic and thus (should) use(s) a crucifix instead of a cross.

10 posted on 10/30/2011, 8:41:43 PM by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

The cross was a means of execution during the Roman era. It became a crucifix when a criminal was nailed of hung from the cross to carry out the death penalty. I would become a sign of Christianity after you know who was nailed to the cross.


11 posted on 10/30/2011, 8:44:54 PM by Young Werther
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To: knarf
When did the cross become a crucifix ?

the day that Christ was nailed to it

12 posted on 10/30/2011, 8:49:18 PM by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: terycarl; Young Werther
Oh for cryin' out loud ... stop being argumentative.

According to the article, ISRAELI archaeologists say TWO pictures AND

" When the lid is removed, the remains of two portraits are still visible in paint and gold leaf. The figures, a man and a woman, are probably Christian saints and possibly Jesus and the Virgin Mary.

The TWO are "probably" two saints (afaik, beatification hadn't been practiced at that time, thus saints would be biblical believers), and "possibly" Mary and Jesus, two particularly Catholic figures, but the box has a cross not a crucifix

13 posted on 10/30/2011, 8:58:05 PM by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf
A cross would have been able to be easily carved into the face of the box. Putting a corpus on it would have required more intricate work, and made it much more expensive. There would have been no easy way to attach a separate one, and it would likely have gotten knocked off with it being moved around, anyway.
14 posted on 10/30/2011, 9:09:40 PM by SuziQ
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To: markomalley; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks markomalley.

But wait -- there was no Pre-Moslem presence in the Middle East... /s

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


15 posted on 10/30/2011, 9:12:45 PM by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SuziQ

and the images are a piece of cake?


16 posted on 10/30/2011, 9:12:51 PM by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: markomalley

1,400 years? The owner might have known Jesus himself!


17 posted on 10/30/2011, 9:14:46 PM by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: narses

One is the Cross of the Crucifiction, it depicts Jesus suffering upon the cross. The empty cross is the Cross of the Resurrection. It is the cross after Jesus suffered, died, was laid in the grave and arose to live again. He has risen.


18 posted on 10/30/2011, 9:15:09 PM by This I Wonder32460
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To: central_va; meatloaf

I’ve probably seen that picture a thousand times, but I still get a neck-tweaking pisschill each time...


19 posted on 10/30/2011, 9:25:11 PM by ErnBatavia (Obama Voters: Jose Baez wants YOU for his next jury pool.......)
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To: knarf
When did the cross become a crucifix ?

When the Catholic church was established in 107 A.D. by St. Ignatius.

20 posted on 10/30/2011, 9:30:13 PM by madison10
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