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Following the Truth: A Biblical Roadmap To The One, True Church (Catholic or Open)
CatholicLane.com ^ | May 12, 2011 | Gary Zimak

Posted on 11/28/2011 8:12:49 AM PST by Salvation

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Gary Zimak is the founder of Following The Truth Ministries (http://www.followingthetruth.com), a lay apostolate created to assist Catholics in learning more about their Faith. He is a regular guest on EWTN Radio’s “Son Rise Morning Show”, Ave Maria Radio’s “Catholic Connection with Teresa Tomeo” and appears frequently on several other Catholic radio programs.  In addition to writing for CatholicLane. Mr. Zimak hosts a daily program on BlogTalkRadio and posts frequently on his blog, Facebook and Twitter.  He is a member of Catholics United For The Faith and the Knights of Columbus and resides in New Jersey.

1 posted on 11/28/2011 8:13:02 AM PST by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Advent Ping for a series.


2 posted on 11/28/2011 8:16:47 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

“We are to look to “the Church” to discover the truth…but which one? “

A hint: It won’t be one that molests your children then seeks to cover it up.


3 posted on 11/28/2011 8:21:11 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Salvation

You can’t pull a few verses out of context and say you have discovered the whole truth.

Doing that, you can make the bible say almost anything you want. That is why so many do just that. Beware anyone who does this as they are being DECEPTIVE, not very Christian.

Read the bible yourself, always in context. Don’t allow others to tell you what it says. That includes your pastor.


4 posted on 11/28/2011 8:21:18 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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The thin-skinned non-Catholics only took three posts to get here.

Evidently, they did not read the entire article.


5 posted on 11/28/2011 8:25:57 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: faucetman

This article does not deride any other denomination. It speaks, in general, of the Biblical strengths of the Catholic Church.


6 posted on 11/28/2011 8:27:00 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: All
And for those who doubt the Biblical foundation of the Catholic Mass -- here's a book for you to read and meditate on.

A Biblical Walk Through the Mass by Edward Sri (Book Review) [Ecumenical]

A Biblical Walk Through the Mass (Book): Understanding What We Say and Do In The Liturgy

7 posted on 11/28/2011 8:28:16 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Perhaps, being all-powerful, God provides different road maps to different individuals?


8 posted on 11/28/2011 8:28:48 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Salvation

Like I say, there’s no salvation outside the Church!


9 posted on 11/28/2011 8:31:28 AM PST by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Salvation

And as interesting as the read is, it is still Rome’s version. I do not need guidelines from a man made organization. I can read the Bible for my own self


10 posted on 11/28/2011 8:33:29 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Salvation

So if I am not a member of the “true church” I must be a member of a false church then? Sure sounds like an attack to me.


11 posted on 11/28/2011 8:34:35 AM PST by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: faucetman

**You can’t pull a few verses out of context and say you have discovered the whole truth.**

LOL! It seems to me that the non-Catholics are usually the ones taking Bible verses out of context.

There is a lot of context with some of these quotes.

Read on.


12 posted on 11/28/2011 8:35:05 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
It will be one that ALWAYS leads back to the gospel of your salvation. That ALWAYS focuses on the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST. That ALWAYS makes it clear that it is by grace through faith that we are saved. And that is a free gift of God. It will be one where God's Word of Truth is the ONLY final authority. It probably won't be the most beautiful building on the outside, but that's because the members KNOW that WE are the temple of God, not a building. WE are the Church the Body of Christ, not a religious institution who teaches that salvation is only through their institution. It won't be rich. Because it doesn't extort money from its members through works or false promises. It doesn't extort. It EXHORTS its members to preach the gospel of salvation. And to reprove, rebuke and exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. It knows its commission is found in 2 Cor. 5:14-21. The reconciliation of God and man.

It knows its power comes from the Word of God, not the opinions of men.

13 posted on 11/28/2011 8:35:10 AM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: Pope Pius XII

that’s supposed to be sarcasm, right?


14 posted on 11/28/2011 8:35:16 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

The Pope or the Vatican did not compile these Bible verses. An individual did.

LOL! that you thought they came from the Pope or the Vatican.

Read on!


15 posted on 11/28/2011 8:36:57 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: stuartcr

I guess so if people want to choose that.

The two choices are
Eternal life
Eternal damnation


16 posted on 11/28/2011 8:38:22 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Squidpup

Only Christ can answer that question at the moment of your death.

Are you a sheep or a goat?


17 posted on 11/28/2011 8:39:51 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Pope Pius XII

BTTT!


18 posted on 11/28/2011 8:41:05 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

“The thin-skinned non-Catholics only took three posts to get here. Evidently, they did not read the entire article.”

I did read it.

It fails mainly in that it presupposes that the church you are making your pitch for is the same church to which the Biblical writers were referring.

A lot can change in 2,000 years. We don’t see Paul addressing the widespread problem of molesting priests in the New Testament. Why? Because the church of that era was of a different quality than the modern catholic church.

The Bible is full of examples of institutions going bad. When they do, God often sets them aside an starts over.


19 posted on 11/28/2011 8:44:00 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Salvation

Christ is my Savior and Lord, and I am indwelled by His Spirit. Yet, I am not, and will not ever, be a member of the Catholic church. Based on that information, do you say that I am bound for salvation or damnation?


20 posted on 11/28/2011 8:45:31 AM PST by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: Nifster

Yes, you can read the Bible for “your own self.” But do you not think it’s just a little bit arrogant for any of us to think we are more brilliant and better at interpreting the Scriptures than the most brilliant theologians and philosophers of the past two thousand years? So many people have read the Bible for themselves and have come up with all kinds of crazy, cruel, wicked, horrible behavior as a result, so obviously reading for ourselves doesn’t necessarily lead us to the truth about God’s word. People have been reading the Scripture and inventing new denominations and new religions for centuries; they believe different things about God, so they can’t all be right. Clearly our own insights as individuals aren’t very accurate.


21 posted on 11/28/2011 8:47:05 AM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

It wasn’t a cover-up. They just shuttled the guilty men of the cloth to other parishes, paid off the families that were hurt and neglected to inform the authorities.

OK, when I say it like that it sounds like a cover-up.


22 posted on 11/28/2011 8:51:18 AM PST by JohnC2004
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Many “brilliant theologians and philosophers” have also “come up with all kinds of crazy, cruel, wicked, horrible behavior”.

+++++++

“Clearly our own insights as individuals aren’t very accurate.”

This the need for the catholic “Magesterium”.

But if you can’t interpret the Bible accurately, how can you be sure you are interpreting the pronouncements of the Magesterium accurately?

Catch-22.


23 posted on 11/28/2011 8:53:31 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Squidpup

Christ IS the CENTER of the Catholic Church, both in Word and in Sacrament.

Do you have that?

Or are you missing something.


24 posted on 11/28/2011 8:55:37 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ottbmare

**People have been reading the Scripture and inventing new denominations and new religions for centuries; they believe different things about God, so they can’t all be right. Clearly our own insights as individuals aren’t very accurate.**

Very wise words.

That’s why Catholics do not use YOPIOS.


25 posted on 11/28/2011 8:57:52 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Or, as I see it, the catholic church.


26 posted on 11/28/2011 9:02:25 AM PST by DManA
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To: Salvation

I told you I have Christ as my Savior and Lord and am indwelled by His Spirit. You didn’t answer my question. I will not ever be a member of the Catholic church - do you say I am bound for salvation or damnation?


27 posted on 11/28/2011 9:04:10 AM PST by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: ottbmare

Clearly our own insights as individuals aren’t very accurate.

But clearly the protection of the Roman Church isn’t sufficient since all matter of nonsense has and does come out of the Vatican.


28 posted on 11/28/2011 9:05:36 AM PST by DManA
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29 posted on 11/28/2011 9:08:27 AM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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30 posted on 11/28/2011 9:08:34 AM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: DManA

“protection of the Roman Church”

Oxymoron. There is no such thing. Unless they have panic buttons in the confessionals now....


31 posted on 11/28/2011 9:09:08 AM PST by JohnC2004
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To: PetroniusMaximus

A hint: It won’t be one that molests your children then seeks to cover it up.

>An off topic red herring if I ever saw one.


32 posted on 11/28/2011 9:13:47 AM PST by rzman21
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To: faucetman

33 posted on 11/28/2011 9:15:03 AM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: Salvation

We use many of the same scriptures to prove the necessity of One True Church to provide evidence that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints fills the bill nicely.

(ok...I’m trolling just a bit!)


34 posted on 11/28/2011 9:18:36 AM PST by 47samurai (The last real conservative)
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To: rzman21

“Clearly our own insights as individuals aren’t very accurate.”

As off-topic as a warning label on a pack of cigarettes.


35 posted on 11/28/2011 9:19:42 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: narses; Salvation

If you can’t interpret the Bible accurately, how can you be sure you are interpreting the pronouncements of the Magesterium accurately?

Catch-22.


36 posted on 11/28/2011 9:21:58 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Salvation

Thank you, Salvation, for putting yourself out there and posting this. It reveals to us non-Catholics where you are coming from.


37 posted on 11/28/2011 9:24:56 AM PST by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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To: Salvation

Perhaps there really aren’t any choices, and God already knows what will happen to each of us.


38 posted on 11/28/2011 9:41:26 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: DManA
Clearly our own insights as individuals aren’t very accurate. But clearly the protection of the Roman Church isn’t sufficient since all matter of nonsense has and does come out of the Vatican.

I'm not referring to the transient words of individual Catholic priests or of some unofficial statement of some guy in some department of the Vatican, but to the official doctrine of the Catholic Church. That's definite, it's not nonsense, and it was hammered out by painstaking effort over the millenia through the discourse of brilliant and God-filled men. Its premises are actually quite logical, not nonsensical. It's a solid guide.

Full disclosure: I was raised as a Protestant and educated as a scientist, so until two years ago I thought the Catholic Church was full of superstitious nonsense, too. Then I began studying the doctrines with great rigor. It was amazing to find the clear logic behind everything I'd been taught to regard as stupid.

39 posted on 11/28/2011 9:42:07 AM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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interesting the complete lack of refutation of the scripture in the article, and instead claims of ‘cherrypicking’ instead...i would have thought our separated brethern bonifide bible only, scripture alone, scripture interprets scripture, band of theology studs would have torn the scripture references in the article, to pieces....


40 posted on 11/28/2011 9:49:00 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: ottbmare

unofficial statement of some guy in some department of the Vatican,

I know, I hear that defense every time some cocamamey document gets released from Rome. Well these idiot department are seen as important enough to spend valuable capital on. They get letter head with the word Vatican on them. They represent thinking that is going on behind all those closed doors. They represent one path the future Church could go down.

BTW, I congratulate you on finding a church home you feel comfortable in. Keep your eyes on the Prize. God bless.


41 posted on 11/28/2011 10:02:49 AM PST by DManA
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To: Salvation
Why does the Catholic church omit the 2nd Commandment from their version of the 10 Commandments?

You know, the one about graven images.
42 posted on 11/28/2011 10:13:19 AM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: ottbmare

“Full disclosure: I was raised as a Protestant and educated as a scientist, so until two years ago I thought the Catholic Church was full of superstitious nonsense, too. Then I began studying the doctrines with great rigor. It was amazing to find the clear logic behind everything I’d been taught to regard as stupid.”

Interesting. Perhaps you can answer the following for me. (I haven’t been able to get a clear answer from a Catholic yet.)

On what does the Catholic church base it’s claim to authority?

Serious question.


43 posted on 11/28/2011 10:29:20 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: raygunfan

“band of theology studs would have torn the scripture references in the article, to pieces....”

I think we’re still trying to recover from the shock of seeking a Catholic make an appeal from Scripture.


44 posted on 11/28/2011 10:31:55 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Salvation

Every Catholic who attends Mass should purchase a copy of Dr. Ted Sri’s book, The Mass. In this one book, Dr. Sri explains in detail how every part of the celebration of the Mass is derived from the Bible. For me, it has brought new meaning to what I put into, and what I get out of, every Mass that I attend.


45 posted on 11/28/2011 10:34:57 AM PST by CdMGuy
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To: Squidpup

Only you can answer the question about being bound for eternal life or eternal damnation.

If you die with a mortal sin on your soul — without having gone to the Sacrament of Penance/Confession and repented of it — then it is your choice.

FYI, once you have confessed your sins and been forgiven by GOD in the Sacrament of Penance, God forgets that sin.

Do you know the actual words of absolution?


46 posted on 11/28/2011 10:39:22 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DManA

**all matter of nonsense has and does come out of the Vatican.**

Doesn’t all matter of nonsense come from all denominations?

At least Catholics will not ever accept in their denomination:

same-sex marriage
contraception
abortion
embryonic stem-cell research
euthaniasia

BTW, those are all mortal sins if done with your full knowledge and consent.


47 posted on 11/28/2011 10:42:19 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CdMGuy

....Or if not that, and if there is a such a book, is there a book about the Catholic mass for “dummies” ?

I will do a search for such a book, besides the one by Dr. Sri.


48 posted on 11/28/2011 10:43:33 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: JohnC2004

Are you confusing the word “protection” with grace?

Grace comes from Christ through the Sacraments he instituted.

Baptism
Confirmation
Eucharist
Reconciliation
Anointing of the Sick
Matrimony
Holy Orders


49 posted on 11/28/2011 10:44:34 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 47samurai

**(ok...I’m trolling just a bit!)**

LOL! Havew you learned anything yet?


50 posted on 11/28/2011 10:46:08 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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