Posted on 12/12/2011 4:21:55 PM PST by Salvation
Catholic Ping for Our Lady of Guadalupe.
Did you know all these facts? I sure didn’t.
I knew a few (the figures in the eyes, the ‘paint’ appearing to hover above the tilma), but not all. Wow.
Fascinating!
LOL! So much for the science. While I believe in miracles and that God can do anything to encourage the faithful or lead the unbelievers to Him, I am skeptical of these sorts of tales.
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I didn’t know about the temperature of the tilma at all times or the baby heartbeat.
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From “The Tilma of Guadalupe: A Scientific Analysis”
Written by Br. Thomas Mary Sennott
Friday, 02 December 2011
“Some time after the original image was formed, the moon and the tassel were added by human hands, perhaps for some symbolic reason since the moon was important to both Moorish-Spanish and Aztec mythologies. Some time after the tassel and the moon were added, the gold and black line decorations, angel, Aztec fold of the robe, sunburst, stars and background were painted, probably during the seventeenth century. The additions were by human hands and impart a Spanish Gothic motif to the painting. In all probability, at the same time the tilma was mounted on a solid support, the orange coloring of the sunburst and white fresco were added to the background. The entire tilma for the first time was completely covered with paint....”
There has been paint added to the Tilma. The above can be found at the link below.
http://www.motherofallpeoples.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=163
The image of Our Lady remains miraculous.
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Love this! I have my mother’s old picture of this miracle hanging in our kitchen.
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He did NOT mention that the Aztecs practiced human sacrifice, killing about 20% of their infants in sacrifice. [I heard THAT on EWTN at the same time I heard MUCH of what you wrote here, Salvation.]
Our Blessed Mother came to CHANGE the Aztec culture, end the murder of their children. Her image has the black sash of impending motherhood. She DID end the human sacrifice...and some 9 million Indians were converted over a very short period of time.
Lesson to the USA: we murder, via abortion, about 25% of our unborn babies which makes us WORSE than the un-evangelized Aztecs. We could use Mary's help here, couldn't we?
Wonderful post, Salvation. It's no wonder she is revered so much by the Mexicans. It's a living miracle that we can see by a visit to Mexico City....not too far away.
I visit Mexico City every two years or so. I visit the shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe too. I've had the tourist lecture and it was amazing....too much information.
I saw the EWTN show about Our Lady of Guadalupe this past weekend and it was STILL "too bigga eat." It's just too much to fathom: a real live miracle continuing to be miraculous in our time and hemisphere.
The show also had people who were cured...our very own "Lourdes" on this side of the Atlantic.
Can you imagine how impressed those Indians of 500 years ago much have reacted? No wonder nine million of them converted.
In his 02 December 2011 article, The Tilma of Guadalupe: A Scientific Analysis, Br. Thomas Mary Sennott does *not* assert that anything was added by human hands. He quotes Dr. Philip Serna Callahan, a biophysicist at the University of Florida, who allegedly examined and photographed the image in 1979, to that effect.
Brother Thomas then presents some very good arguments in rebuttal of those assertions. Callahans conclusions regarding extensive human additions to the tilma might well be true, but I suspect he is overdoing it. This suggestion of a seventeenth century date for most of them cant possibly be true. In 1570, just thirty-nine years after the apparition, Archbishop Montúfar sent King Philip II of Spain a copy of the miraculous Image which was placed in the flagship of Admiral Andrea Doria in anticipation of the Battle of Lepanto. This copy is now enshrined in the Church of San Stephano in Aveto, Italy. The Lepanto Image is identical to the original Miraculous Guadalupe Image, which means that any additions had to have been made well before 1570.
This indicates that any additions made could not have postdated 1570, which casts doubt on the assertion of any additions by human hands at all.
As for the statement that the retina expands and contracts rather than the pupil, well, I was a translator long enough to know how this sort of error can creep in. Id bet the farm that the original document uses the word for pupil in whatever language it is written.
It doesnt seem very scientific to me to take a typo as proof that an assertion is false.
As for the careful establishment of Dr. Callahans bona fides as a Catholic, lots of people dont understand that there are Catholics who regard such things as embarrassing superstitions and are as fervent to cast doubt upon them as the most tendentious of skeptics.
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