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THE OFFICE OF PROPHET is about to return to the church body WORLDWIDE !
The Joshua Chronicles ^ | 12-11-11 | Jedediah

Posted on 12/13/2011 11:51:34 AM PST by Jedediah

THE OFFICE OF PROPHET IS ABOUT TO RETURN TO THE CHURCH BODY WORLDWIDE !

The Office of Prophet is about to return , This is not from a person but from a yearn ,

From the calling of many for my voice to speak out ,

True guidance directly into My House ,

For many confusion has been the stage ,

But now I will speak both in grace and in rage ,

For judgement is here in My house ,

Holiness received and strange fire cast out ,

The true and faithful shall remain and be renewed ,

But the false and counterfeit burned to sinew ,

No longer will I permit the spirit of the harlot Jezebel ,

I shall cast this cup into hell ,

So come My Children and drink from The Cup of The Lord ,

Open your mouths and speak ! Pick up your Sword !

For I AM about to reveal all that is TRUE !

Through My Prophets I speak "First" to !

Amos 3:7-8

7Surely the Lord God will do nothing without revealing His secret to His servants the prophets.

8The lion has roared; who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken; who can but prophesy?

Ephesians 3:5

5 God did not reveal it to previous generations, but now by his Spirit he has revealed it to his holy apostles and prophets.

Hosea 12:10

10 I sent my prophets to warn you

with many visions and parables.”

1 Thessalonians 5:20-21

20Do not spurn the gifts and utterances of the prophets [do not depreciate prophetic revelations nor despise inspired instruction or exhortation or warning].

21But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast.

1 Timothy 4:14

14Do not neglect the gift which is in you, [that special inward endowment] which was directly imparted to you [by the Holy Spirit] by prophetic utterance when the elders laid their hands upon you [at your ordination].

1 Corinthians 10:20-24

20No, I am suggesting that what the pagans sacrifice they offer [in effect] to demons (to evil spiritual powers) and not to God [at all]. I do not want you to fellowship and be partners with diabolical spirits [by eating at their feasts].

21You cannot drink the Lord's cup and the demons' cup. You cannot partake of the Lord's table and the demons' table.

22Shall we thus provoke the Lord to jealousy and anger and indignation? Are we stronger than He [that we should defy Him]? 23All things are legitimate [permissible--and we are free to do anything we please], but not all things are helpful (expedient, profitable, and wholesome). All things are legitimate, but not all things are constructive [to character] and edifying [to spiritual life]. 24Let no one then seek his own good and advantage and profit, but [rather] each one of the other [let him seek the welfare of his neighbor]. Amos 5:1-15

1HEAR THIS word which I take up concerning you in lamentation, O house of Israel:

2The Virgin of Israel has fallen; she shall no more rise; she lies cast down and forsaken on her land; there is no one to raise her up. 3For thus says the Lord God: The city that went forth a thousand shall have a hundred left, and that which went forth a hundred shall have ten left to the house of Israel.

4For thus says the Lord to the house of Israel: Seek Me [inquire for and of Me and require Me as you require food] and you shall live! 5But seek not [the golden calf at] Bethel nor enter into [idolatrous] Gilgal, and pass not over to [the idols of] Beersheba; for Gilgal shall surely go into captivity and exile, and Bethel [house of God] shall become Beth-aven [house of vanity, emptiness, falsity, and futility] and come to nothing. 6Seek the Lord [inquire for and of Him and require Him] and you shall live, lest He rush down like fire upon the house of Joseph [representing the ten tribes] and devour it, and there be none to quench it in Bethel [the center of their idol hopes]. 7You who turn justice into [the bitterness of] wormwood and cast righteousness (uprightness and right standing with God) down to the ground, 8Seek Him Who made the [cluster of stars called] Pleiades and [the constellation] Orion, Who turns the shadow of death or deep darkness into the morning and darkens the day into night, Who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out upon the face of the earth--the Lord is His name-- 9Who causes sudden destruction to flash forth upon the strong so that destruction comes upon the fortress. 10They hate him who reproves in the [city] gate [holding him as an abomination and rejecting his rebuke], and they abhor him who speaks uprightly. 11Therefore because you tread upon the poor and take from him exactions of wheat, you have built houses of hewn stone, but you shall not dwell in them; you have planted pleasant vineyards, but you shall not drink their wine. 12For I know how manifold are your transgressions and how mighty are your sins--you who afflict the [uncompromisingly] righteous, who take a bribe, and who turn aside the needy in the [court of the city] gate from their right.

13Therefore he who is prudent will keep silence in such a time, for it is an evil time. 14Seek (inquire for and require) good and not evil that you may live, and so the Lord, the God of hosts, will be with you, as you have said.

15Hate the evil and love the good and establish justice in the [court of the city's] gate. It may be that the Lord, the God of hosts, will be gracious to the remnant of Joseph [the northern kingdom].


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1 posted on 12/13/2011 11:51:38 AM PST by Jedediah
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To: Jedediah

ok.


2 posted on 12/13/2011 11:54:51 AM PST by Hammerhead
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To: Jedediah

Many are those who ‘speak’,

few are those who ‘know’.


3 posted on 12/13/2011 11:55:48 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Jedediah

You obviously do not understand Scripture.


4 posted on 12/13/2011 11:57:39 AM PST by arjay (NOMOBAMA)
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To: Jedediah

God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by [His] Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; Heb 11:1-2


5 posted on 12/13/2011 11:59:01 AM PST by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: Jedediah
Open your mouths and speak...

...he who is prudent will keep silence...

Make up your mind, Oh Lord.

6 posted on 12/13/2011 12:01:33 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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Cliffs Notes version:

7 posted on 12/13/2011 12:02:22 PM PST by evets (beer)
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To: Jedediah; tx_eggman

Surely Almighty God could give His prophet a better rhyme than ‘house’ and ‘out’...

May God help me, Eggman. I couldn’t help myself. Pray for me, will you?


8 posted on 12/13/2011 12:05:32 PM PST by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: Jedediah; reaganaut; Elsie; Colofornian
"14 Do not neglect the gift which is in you, [that special inward endowment] which was directly imparted to you [by the Holy Spirit] by prophetic utterance when the elders laid their hands upon you [at your ordination]."

Rev 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Perhaps you should just exhort others to read the bible, rather than claiming to be a prophet, jed. Are you a Mormon ?

9 posted on 12/13/2011 12:05:56 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Jedediah

Well, the office of False Prophet has been filled, I see.


10 posted on 12/13/2011 12:07:48 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Jedediah

Wait. I thought you thought you are a prophet...
are you saying you’re being replaced? Soon?


11 posted on 12/13/2011 12:09:07 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: Jedediah; SENTINEL

Jed, I have read your tripe for almost a year, mostly for my own amusement.

However, since it is the NEW Covenant, Jesus is our High Priest, our PROPHET, and our Coming King.

There will be two witnesses who prophesy for 3.5 years and are resurrected prior to the return of Christ (Rev 11) but that does not mean a return to the (now closed) Office of Prophet. And I don’t think you are one of the witnesses either, for several reasons. Loonies need not apply.

However, you ARE high up in the running for a false prophet so congratulations on that.


12 posted on 12/13/2011 12:37:01 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Jedediah
Were you sent or did you just went?

The Office of Prophet has been closed for almost 2,000 years. You're just another false prophet/teacher.

13 posted on 12/13/2011 12:43:50 PM PST by ducttape45
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To: reaganaut; Jedediah; SENTINEL

DITTO.


14 posted on 12/13/2011 12:45:50 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Israel is real:))
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To: Jedediah
You speak of "Strange Fire" yet Strange Fire is a false spirit in place of the Holy Spirit, the very thing that causes such rambling prophecies such as yours!

If your teachers teach of a coming revival and the Bible says the end times will be marked by Apostasy, guess who is correct. Logically your Revival will be the Apostasy, the putting in place of strange fire for the fire of the Holy Spirit.

Ask yourself this, if God, as the Word says, never changes yet starts doing a "New Work in the Spirit" in you in these last days of this age, who changed in the last 2000 years? God, or your interpretation of the Word? If the new requirement is to learn prophecy by practice, yet the Word says a prophet is a false prophet if they speak one wrong word, why now are you allowed to be rambling and not concise? Is God rambling and imprecise? In all accounts of Prophecy in the Bible, precision and being direct to the point is the rule.God never uses religions buzz words, he speaks simply and plainly and always to a point.

A second indication for you to focus on is that in the Written Word a prophet is confronted by God Himself and is told what to say. They do not just wing it by rhyme and urges of the heart.

Jer. 23:16 Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you. They are leading you into futility; They speak a vision of their own [fn]imagination, Not from the mouth of the LORD.

Quick check here, did you get this prophecy from the mouth of the LORD, (ie. did it come in words for you to repeat, did God tell you exactly what to say, or did you make it up on the fly from the urges of your own heart on the spot?

Jer 23:28 "The prophet who has a dream may relate his dream, but let him who has My word speak My word in truth. What does straw have in common with grain?" declares the LORD.

Here the supremacy of the Word over Prophecy is given as grain to straw in value.

Jer 23:29 "Is not My word like fire?" declares the LORD, "and like a hammer which shatters a rock?

Here the strength of the Written Word is established over prophecy as a hammer that shatters rock.

Jer 23:30-31 "Therefore behold, I am against the prophets," declares the LORD, "who steal My words from each other.
"Behold, I am against the prophets," declares the LORD, "who use their tongues and declare, 'The Lord declares.'

Problem indicated, Bridge out ahead! Course correction suggested, suspect mirror time and Bible time is warranted...

15 posted on 12/13/2011 1:42:32 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Dogbert41; Jedediah; reaganaut
Harold Camping

Joseph Smith

David Koresh

Brigham Young

L. Ron Hubbard

Thomas Monson and Dallin Oaks

Warren Jeffs

16 posted on 12/13/2011 1:55:36 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: reaganaut; All

The Holy Spirit “IS” the Office of Prophet and uses all of us to prophecy as Moses said . . .

Numbers 11:29

But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!”

1 Corinthians 14:5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.


Numbers 11:30 Then Moses and the elders of Israel returned to the camp.

1 Samuel 10:6 The Spirit of the LORD will come upon you in power, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person.


17 posted on 12/13/2011 2:16:56 PM PST by Jedediah
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To: American in Israel; All

Enviest thou for my sake? - (Compare Mark 9:38 ff) The other members of the Seventy had been with Moses (compare Numbers 6:16, Numbers 6:24-25) when the gift of prophecy was bestowed on them. They received “of the spirit that was upon him,” and exercised their office visibly through and for him. Eldad and Medad prophesying in the camp seemed to Joshua to be acting independently, and so establishing a separate center of authority.


18 posted on 12/13/2011 2:19:11 PM PST by Jedediah
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To: Jedediah

Trust me, I don’t envy you. Obviously you did not apply any of the study before you. But, now that I have warned you, it will not be held against me.

Quoting “new testament” does not abrogate “old testament”.

If you fail the test of the prophet, it is indeed an EPIC FAIL dude. Repentance is clearly a wise option. One you seem not disposed to choose.

Too bad...


19 posted on 12/13/2011 2:24:28 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Larry Lucido; All

THE BATTLE IS MINE SAYS THE LORD !

There are situations coming into my children’s lives now that seem in appearance to be as oceans but truly these are situations I am grooming you into .

A trust so solid that the enemy shall find you immovable as my mountain “Zion” , for truly as my kingdom expands within your understanding “ The Mind of Christ “ I become their adversary and truly you cease to exist to them for the fight is with me and as Creator there is nothing on the horizon I am not aware of for I AM in and through all things .

Therefore enter my courts with thanksgiving and petition me on your behalf for I contain the whole ! And truly my peace is the Zion of Tranquility you may only find in me alone !

Now call on me yes ! But wait , listen and obey for the trust you carry in me puts the enemy to flight \o/ My Word is your sword and only in My Presence shall you find rest .

Do not just get aquainted with me but dwell in my courts , for I AM your Garden and Tree of Life \o/

Shalom

Exodus 23:20-22 20

Behold, I send an Angel before you to keep and guard you on the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21Give heed to Him, listen to and obey His voice; be not rebellious before Him or provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgression; for My Name is in Him. 22But if you will indeed listen to and obey His voice and all that I speak, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries.


20 posted on 12/13/2011 2:27:46 PM PST by Jedediah
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To: Jedediah; SENTINEL

Fail. All of those references are OLD TESTAMENT. The point of the prophets in the OT was to correct and fortell of the coming Christ. Since Christ has already been here their function has passed.

YOU, SIR, ARE ATTEMPTING TO USURP THE PLACE OF CHRIST!

You are correct that the Holy Spirit speaks to ALL believers, which is exactly why there is no OFFICE of Prophet. As some one else posted (Hebrews 1:1), in times past God spoke through prophets, now He speaks through His Son.

You really need to read your Bible more. But hey, keep going, I can do this all day, I have this same debate with Mormons all the time, explaining exactly why there is no such thing as a “modern prophet”.


21 posted on 12/13/2011 2:28:55 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: American in Israel

Excellent post and good catch on strange fire.


22 posted on 12/13/2011 2:29:53 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Jedediah; SENTINEL

Correction, you did use (actually misuse) one NT verse...

1 Corinthians 14:5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.

That is referring to the spiritual gift of prophecy which is not the same as the office of prophet.


23 posted on 12/13/2011 2:32:16 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: American in Israel

THE SHAPING OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST
Joint combined retrofitting of my body and church is aggregating into its finished mold now “ The Bride of Christ “ , for all things foreign to my body are being dismembered and the ambiguity taking away from the clear view of all she is in this hour is being dissolved , leaving a clarity of the heart and spirit of My Bride so “ The Mind of Christ “ in all its manifold wisdom and glory may be revealed no longer “The Hidden Manna” but but a pronounced finality about to evolve completely true and faithful . So posture your heart before me that I may trim your wick and let the “Oil of Unity” feed the light in you “ The love of The Father “ for truly this is the light he delights in seeing in “ a humble fear of who he is “ your magistrate and only God and Shalom .

John 6:1515
Then Jesus, knowing that they meant to come and seize Him that they might make Him king, withdrew again to the hillside by Himself alone. 16When evening came, His disciples went down to the sea, 17And they took a boat and were going across the sea to Capernaum. It was now dark, and still Jesus had not [yet] come back to them.
18Meanwhile, the sea was getting rough and rising high because of a great and violent wind that was blowing.
19[However] when they had rowed three or four miles, they saw Jesus walking on the sea and approaching the boat. And they were afraid (terrified).
20But Jesus said to them, It is I; be not afraid! [I AM; stop being frightened!](A)
21Then they were quite willing and glad for Him to come into the boat. And now the boat went at once to the land they had steered toward. [And immediately they reached the shore toward which they had been slowly making their way.]
22The next day the crowd [that still remained] standing on the other side of the sea realized that there had been only one small boat there, and that Jesus had not gone into it with His disciples, but that His disciples had gone away by themselves.
23But now some other boats from Tiberias had come in near the place where they ate the bread after the Lord had given thanks.
24So the people, finding that neither Jesus nor His disciples were there, themselves got into the small boats and came to Capernaum looking for Jesus.
25And when they found Him on the other side of the lake, they said to Him, Rabbi! When did You come here?
26Jesus answered them, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, you have been searching for Me, not because you saw the miracles and signs but because you were fed with the loaves and were filled and satisfied.
27Stop toiling and doing and producing for the food that perishes and decomposes [in the using], but strive and work and produce rather for the [lasting] food which endures [continually] unto life eternal; the Son of Man will give (furnish) you that, for God the Father has authorized and certified Him and put His seal of endorsement upon Him.
28They then said, What are we to do, that we may [habitually] be working the works of God? [What are we to do to carry out what God requires?]
29Jesus replied, This is the work (service) that God asks of you: that you believe in the One Whom He has sent [that you cleave to, trust, rely on, and have faith in His Messenger].
30Therefore they said to Him, What sign (miracle, wonderwork) will [a]You perform then, so that we may see it and believe and rely on and adhere to You? What [supernatural] work have You [to show what You can do]?
31Our forefathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as the Scripture says, He gave them bread out of heaven to eat.(B)
32Jesus then said to them, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, Moses did not give you the Bread from heaven [what Moses gave you was not the Bread from heaven], but it is My Father Who gives you the true heavenly Bread.
33For the Bread of God is He Who comes down out of heaven and gives life to the world.
34Then they said to Him, Lord, give us this bread always (all the time)!
35Jesus replied, I am the Bread of Life. He who comes to Me will never be hungry, and he who believes in and cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me will never thirst any more (at any time).
36But [as] I told you, although you have seen Me, still you do not believe and trust and have faith.
37All whom My Father gives (entrusts) to Me will come to Me; and the one who comes to Me I will most certainly not cast out [I will never, no never, reject one of them who comes to Me].
38For I have come down from heaven not to do My own will and purpose but to do the will and purpose of Him Who sent Me.
39And this is the will of Him Who sent Me, that I should not lose any of all that He has given Me, but that I should give new life and raise [them all] up at the last day.
40For this is My Father’s will and His purpose, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in and cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up [from the dead] at the last day.


24 posted on 12/13/2011 2:32:51 PM PST by Jedediah
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To: American in Israel; All

PREPARE THE CHURCH ! PREPARE THE BRIDE ! ARE YOU READY ?!
Prepare the Church ! Prepare the Bride ,

There is no place for mankind to hide !

For the eyes of the Lord look to and fro ,

And The Spirit of God knows where his breath goes ,

So fill your vessels and trim your wicks ,

For a suddenly is coming quick !

The Bride and the bridesmaids shall soon be as one ,

Pure and spotless not undone ,

The Groom awaits the striking of the hour ,

And soon shall come in his fear and power ,

And all that shall be left is awe and dread ,

For those living in Christ shall receive their wedding bed ,

But to all that deny the will of God ,

Their fruit shall be damnation and the Rod !

Job 34:14
14If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;

Job 33:4
The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life

Matthew 24:40-42
40”Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
41”Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.

Be Ready for His Coming 42”Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming.

Job 34:14

14If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;


25 posted on 12/13/2011 2:34:24 PM PST by Jedediah
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To: American in Israel

I got the accusation of ‘envy’ as well. Sigh...


26 posted on 12/13/2011 2:36:06 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Jedediah

But if the Word says the office of the prophet was given in the New Testament times, why are you announcing it now as if its a new move? Any clue as to why “God told you this from his lips” to tell us? Is this still not the Days of the Gentiles? Did the gift come, then go, so it could come in the same days? Did God just change his mind, then change it back?

Or are you clueless, and very much in danger from the loose flapping of your mouth in Gods name?


27 posted on 12/13/2011 2:37:05 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SpinnerWebb

Jed, for the love of God, next time you wander upstairs from your mom’s basement to see the sun please get back on your meds.


28 posted on 12/13/2011 2:37:39 PM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: reaganaut

your right the Holy Spirit fills the office of prophet as he speaks through us and I was never duped by cult !


29 posted on 12/13/2011 2:39:01 PM PST by Jedediah
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To: Jedediah

f.Christian! Is that you?? We’ve ~really~ missed you.


30 posted on 12/13/2011 2:40:30 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: American in Israel

read it carefully it explains what is being done and why . Remember where Jesus said If we are luke warm he will spit them out of his mouth ?

Many people (temples) are luke warm not bearing fruit or very little !

We should pray for each other not attack one another that is not Christ in us !


31 posted on 12/13/2011 2:43:41 PM PST by Jedediah
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To: Jedediah; reaganaut; Saundra Duffy; BlueMoose; Ripliancum; Colofornian
"Endowment", "Ordination", "Members of the Seventy"

Your choice of keywords has given you away...YOU'RE AN LDS SECT MORMON aren't you !?



32 posted on 12/13/2011 2:45:28 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: SENTINEL

And overuse of “Zion” as well...


33 posted on 12/13/2011 2:51:53 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Jedediah

your right the Holy Spirit fills the office of prophet as he speaks through us and I was never duped by cult !

- - - - - -
THERE IS NO OFFICE OF PROPHET, except the one filled by Christ! Christ is Prophet, Priest and King, no one else, not Tommy Monson, not Joseph Smith, not Harold Camping, and certainly not you!

And, no, you didn’t need to be duped, you just created your OWN cult.

Seriously dude, you either need medication or salvation because you are not talking like a Christian and have no idea what the Bible says.


34 posted on 12/13/2011 2:55:16 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: reaganaut
Next thing you know he'll be pushing Romney on us.

Noticed how he won't deny it ?....You know what they say, walks like a duck, talks like a duck... Quack. ;)

35 posted on 12/13/2011 3:02:35 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Jedediah; American in Israel; ejonesie22; Godzilla; Elsie; Colofornian; SENTINEL; SZonian

We should pray for each other not attack one another that is not Christ in us !

- - - - -
Wow, I think you are channeling Resty.

Seriously though, Christians are called to warn and combat heresy and that is exactly what AiI and I (and others here) are doing.


36 posted on 12/13/2011 3:03:00 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: SENTINEL

So he’s a charismatic breakoff of Mormonism? I can’t imagine a good Mormon trying to usurp Tommy M. but I suppose it is possible...


37 posted on 12/13/2011 3:04:49 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: restornu

courtesy ping to #36


38 posted on 12/13/2011 3:07:54 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: reaganaut
Aren't there about 100 different sects of Mormonism ?

Romney's salt lake LDS sect broke away when FLDS/LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young declared Joe Smith's "retranslation" of the bible to be a fraud. They don't use it to this very day.

39 posted on 12/13/2011 3:09:36 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: reaganaut
So he’s a charismatic breakoff of Mormonism?

With the Mormons (to be precise, the members of The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints - based in Salt Lake City) intent on being called “Christians” after so many years of eschewing that word, and despite the fact that there are so many fundamental theological differences between Christianity and Mormonism, I often wonder: 

How do members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints feel about calling the members of its various spin-off sects Latter-Day Saints, Christians, or Mormons? Or about those sects calling themselves Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? (There was an earlier campaign by LDS to have journalism style books use the word “Mormon” to refer only to LDS, and not RLDS, FLDS, or other LDS sects).

For a man who bragged about holding things together, Joseph Smith, Jr. doesn’t appear go have done a good job of it during his lifetime. Wycam Clark’s “Pure Church of Christ” spun off in 1831. This trend continued. There were six LDS sects spawned in the 1830s, eight in the 1840s, two in the 1850s, and seven in the 1860s.

Do those responsible for the “Mormons are Christians” campaign consider these denominations to be Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? Surely many of these denominations are much closer to mainstream LDS than LDS is to Christianity. Many stick to Smith’s teachings and old temple endowment ceremonies.

Short Creek Community
Latter Day Church of Christ
Apostolic United Brethren
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness [sic] of Times
Church of the Lamb of God
Church of the New Covenant in Christ
Confederate Nations of Israel
Righteous Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
School of the Prophets
Centennial Park
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Kingdom of God
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
The Church of the Firstborn and the General Assembly of Heaven

Blackmore/Bountiful Community
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
Order of Enoch
Aaronic Order
Zion’s Order, Inc.
Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
Community of Christ
Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
Church of Christ (Lion of God Ministry/Clarkite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Zion’s Branch)
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Fettingite) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ at Halley’s Bluff (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Restored) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ “With the Elijah Message” (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Hancock) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Burtite) (Hendrickite)
Church of Israel (Hendrickite)
Church of Christ with the Elijah Message (The Assured Way of the Lord) (Hendrickite)
The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
True Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Restored Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Holy Church of Jesus Christ (Strangite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite) (Strangite)
True Church of Jesus Christ Restored (Strangite)
Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Whitmerite)

Or these defunct sects:

Pure Church of Christ (Clarkite)
Independent Church (Hotonite)
Church of Christ (Boothite)
Church of Christ (Parrishite)
Alston Church
Church of Christ (Chubbyite)
Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Church of Christ (Pageite)
True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (this one was particularly curious - started by William Law, editor of The Nauvoo Expositor, just one of many sects started in opposition to plural marriage)
The Church of Zion (Godbeite)
United Order Family of Christ
Church of the Potter Christ
Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
Church of the Christian Brotherhood
Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion (Rigdonite) Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Primative Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Christ (Aaron Smith)
Church of the Messiah (Adamsite)
Church of Christ (Wrightite)
Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
The Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Congregation of Jehovah’s Presbytery of Zion
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)
Independent Latter Day Saints of Nigeria
Independent Latter Day Saints of Ghana
Apostolic Divine Church of Ghana

Are members of those LDS groups “Mormons”? “Latter Day Saints?” “Christians?”

Do the folks in Salt Lake City have a problem with any of those groups, who believe in the restoration of the original church by Joseph Smith, calling themselves Mormons or Saints?

Most of these divisions in the Latter-Day Saint movement occurred over the issue of polygamy or succession of the Prophet. Sects broke off when Joseph Smith was still alive, and when Brigham Young was named prophet, because they didn’t believe in the practice of plural marriage – either publicly, or in some cases when it was practiced in private and denied in public.

Of course, there was the great split between Rocky Mountain Saints and Prairie Saints, when LDS members couldn’t agree on a successor prophet to Smith, Jr., and the church went to Utah, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and Pennsylvania under Brigham Young, Sidney Rigdon (senior member of the First Presidency), James Strang, Lyman Wight, Alpheus Cutler, William Smith, David Whitmer (a BOM witness), or Joseph Smith III (son of Joseph Smith, Jr.). Almost all of these individuals still has multiple sects in existence that date to an 1844 decision about who should be the next President/Prophet of the church.

The Prairie Saints split into sects over the issue of whether Smith practiced polygamy. Rocky Mountain Saints had many, many spinoff sects after the 1890 Manifesto – groups that still practice plural marriage.

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Thanks to ScoutMaster for all the hard work here!

40 posted on 12/13/2011 3:41:23 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SENTINEL
"Prophet" Brigham Young declared Joe Smith's "retranslation" of the bible to be a fraud. BY 'declared' LOTS of things.

Here is one:

"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

41 posted on 12/13/2011 3:42:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SENTINEL
OOPS!!!


Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President


42 posted on 12/13/2011 3:43:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut

There isn’t a face palm big enough...


43 posted on 12/13/2011 3:49:25 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: reaganaut

There isn’t a face palm big enough...


44 posted on 12/13/2011 3:49:57 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Elsie
"Brigham Young 'declared' LOTS of things"....

AFTER he declared himself to hold the OFFICE OF PROPHET like Jed here !

Jed, I've got one more sentence for you.

STAY THE HECK AWAY FROM MY WIFE AND DAUGHTERS !!

45 posted on 12/13/2011 4:07:01 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: SENTINEL

Yep over 100 breakoffs, so the question becomes who is right?


46 posted on 12/13/2011 4:08:43 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Elsie

You forgot the “Homosexual church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints” (1972 - Denver).

No, I’m not kidding.


47 posted on 12/13/2011 4:16:21 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Jedediah
Misspelled "Profit"...


48 posted on 12/13/2011 7:37:10 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: reaganaut
You forgot the “Homosexual church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints” (1972 - Denver).

Covered??


I'm a MORMON ...
 
 
 

http://www.affirmation.org/

49 posted on 12/13/2011 8:11:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: D-fendr
I'll see yer pimp and raise you one!


50 posted on 12/13/2011 8:12:56 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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