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Pope: Other Christian Denominations Not True Churches
Fox News ^ | July 10, 2007 | associated press

Posted on 01/02/2012 3:13:39 PM PST by RnMomof7

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy — For the second time in a week, Pope Benedict XVI has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, reasserting the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church and saying other Christian communities were either defective or not true churches.

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The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith said it was issuing the new document on ecumenism because some contemporary theological interpretations of Vatican II's ecumenical intent had been "erroneous or ambiguous" and had prompted confusion and doubt.

The new document -- formulated as five questions and answers -- restates key sections of a 2000 text the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which riled Protestant, Lutheran and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation."

Issued by the dept. of the inquisition

1 posted on 01/02/2012 3:13:50 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: 1000 silverlings; metmom; boatbums; Quix; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; ...

Sorry guys.the pope says we are out... so much for “cant we all get along” huh?


2 posted on 01/02/2012 3:19:41 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: reaganaut

(teehee)


3 posted on 01/02/2012 3:23:53 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: RnMomof7

Well, if the leader (I refuse to call him “Pope,” which means “Father” - and Jesus said to call no man your father) of catholicism says so, it must be true.


4 posted on 01/02/2012 3:26:42 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: RnMomof7

News at 11 - denominations without apostolic succession lack apostolic succession.


5 posted on 01/02/2012 3:27:18 PM PST by Crichton
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To: RnMomof7
Christ is the Head of the True Church:

Colossians 1:18: And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Any believer that has the faith of Christ is saved eternally from the precise moment of salvation unto eternal life. God knows His Church which includes all the churches of the saints:

I Corinthians 14:33: For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

God and Paul calls every faithful believer a saint:

Ephesians 1:1: Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 1:15: Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints

Ephesians 2:19: Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God

Ephesians 4:12: For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ

Romans 8:31: What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
Romans 8:32: He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Romans 8:33: Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Romans 8:34: Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Romans 8:35: Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Romans 8:36: As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Romans 8:37: Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Romans 8:38: For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Romans 8:39: Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Rome cannot separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord, those words of the Pope are empty in the eyes of God that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

6 posted on 01/02/2012 3:27:53 PM PST by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth

So you are saying that Scripture has more authority than the leader of catholicism? How day you! /s


7 posted on 01/02/2012 3:29:23 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: RnMomof7

Non-Catholics who employ logic should not feel offended by these comments. It is not possible for there to be more than one church professing true doctrine if the other churches profess conflicting doctrines. There is, at most, only one doctrine that can be true. Am I missing something?

Of course, a non-Catholic could argue that only his church professes the true doctrine. Such a person could hardly feel offended by those who say the same thing about the Catholic church.


8 posted on 01/02/2012 3:31:17 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: RnMomof7

Saved by grace through faith. And no amount of man-made works or rituals can do that.


9 posted on 01/02/2012 3:34:28 PM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: DennisR
God the Father and Christ Jesus are equal with Scripture for Christ is the WORD of God and yes, God the Father and Christ The WORD have absolute authority over any man or leader on earth.

How dare you elevate a man or leader to be equal and/or above God the Father and Christ The WORD.

We true believers shall pray for your eternal salvation.

10 posted on 01/02/2012 3:34:28 PM PST by bibletruth
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To: RnMomof7

Get angry at Fox News, not Pope Benedict. He said they were “EITHER” not true churches, or defective.

Yes, the Pope believes that there are defects in Protestant churches. How could anyone be surprised that? Isn’t that like finding out that bears sh—, uh, don’t use latrines in the woods? If the Pope were to discover that Protestant churches WERE NOT defective, why not become Protestant?


12 posted on 01/02/2012 3:36:05 PM PST by dangus
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To: DennisR

From your words, which God listens to on this post, it is obvious that you prefer to follow the leader of catholicism, rather than God and Christ the WORD of God.


13 posted on 01/02/2012 3:36:55 PM PST by bibletruth
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To: RnMomof7

Source for these comments, please.


14 posted on 01/02/2012 3:38:41 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: bibletruth; DennisR

Dude, relax. DennisR AGREES with you. He was using sarcasm.


15 posted on 01/02/2012 3:39:20 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: DennisR

Christ was speaking to the Jews in that passage. Not to us.


16 posted on 01/02/2012 3:39:44 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7

Let’s see....Idolatry,Worshipping man chosen “saints”, Mary, Papal infallibility, Priestly intercession/Indulgences, Rosary, Purgatory, “Tradition” superseding/supplanting the Bible, Baptism (sprinkling as opposed to immersion, infants as opposed to those who are capable of hearing and knowing the truth.)

Sound a lot like a Religion of manmade traditions and NOT the one true church. Methinks those in glass houses shouldn’t be throwing stones.


17 posted on 01/02/2012 3:39:52 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: Nervous Tick
"PoPo"..bwhahahaha!! I LIKE it!

Now, was this one of his "infallible" decrees or just a plain "fallible" opinion? I guess it depends on whether he's wearing his pointy hat and red slippers when he's offering his "wisdom" of God.

What is infallibility but opinion with red pradas?

18 posted on 01/02/2012 3:39:52 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: bigheadfred; ansel12; Diogenesis

Which begs the question, why do they accept all Orthodox/Protestant baptisms but not Mormon ones for conversion?

IIRC, JPII called Protestants ‘separated brethren’ and clarified that Mormons were not. I think Ansel12 or diogenesis has the quote by John Paul II on Mormonism.


19 posted on 01/02/2012 3:40:05 PM PST by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just 'white and delightsome' 2 Nephi 30:6)
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To: RnMomof7

IAKJR (In AFTER Knee Jerk Reactions!)


20 posted on 01/02/2012 3:41:07 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: All
Some additional information for those who wish to look further:

Jewish Advice: Be Proud You Are A Catholic
[ECUMENICAL] For My Non-Catholic Readers
Why Only Catholicism Can Make Protestantism Work
[CATHOLIC CAUCUS] The Church is A Miracle
Be proud to be a Catholic (prominent Jewish business man explains)
Organization of the Catholic Church
[PleaseReadBeforeJudging] Why Only Catholicism Can Make Protestantism Work: Bouyer on Reformation

21 posted on 01/02/2012 3:42:05 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: bibletruth; DennisR

I think you are misreading DennisR,note the ‘/s’


22 posted on 01/02/2012 3:42:09 PM PST by mitch5501 (My guitar wants to kill your momma!)
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To: Salvation

Foxnews


23 posted on 01/02/2012 3:42:36 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: DennisR
So you are saying that Scripture has more authority than the leader of catholicism?

So you are betting that straw arguments have a greater weight than logic? You should know that the Church fully supports its traditional teachings with the scriptural interpretations of the Fathers and Doctors.

24 posted on 01/02/2012 3:43:19 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Nervous Tick

Catholics do not worship Mary. They only worship God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Please don’t believe the nosense drivel that someone has told you.


25 posted on 01/02/2012 3:43:49 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Nervous Tick
What is Mary worship?
26 posted on 01/02/2012 3:44:02 PM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: dangus

Now the truth comes out. Wouldn’t you know that someone would post a falsehood?


27 posted on 01/02/2012 3:45:23 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: mas cerveza por favor
I would say that the only one who could possibly be legitimately offended here is YHVH, Elohiym. The description of His ecclesia and the testimony that His only begotten Son, Yeshua, is the one and only true Messiah can only be found in one place... in the beginning

John 5:46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Any doctrine that teaches that Moses was done away with, that Messiah came to start a new religion or that claims Messiah/YHVH gave the church the authority to change YHVH's everlasting divine doctrine is out right blasphemy.

28 posted on 01/02/2012 3:45:29 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: Salvation

Please don’t believe the nosense drivel that someone has told you.

Correct


29 posted on 01/02/2012 3:46:42 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: RnMomof7
When you put your faith in God, you have trusted in the person of Jesus Christ to be redeemer and sacrifice for all your trespasses and sins, and by this faith, God covers your sin with the righteousness of Christ, imputing to you Christ's righteousness in His declaration of His justification. This effectually makes you permanently just and holy before Him. Whenever you sin in this earth, God only sees His Son and Christ's righteousness which He imputed to your account. You are eternally saved from the moment of salvation and His declaration of His justification. No one and nothing can separate you from Christ. No church organization can separate you from Christ. No holy man can separate you from Christ. Nothing. God has guaranteed this.

Romans 8:38: For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Romans 8:39: Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The ministry of reconciliation and justification is the heart of Paul's gospel, and this Ministry of Reconciliation is for us believer-saints and sons of God — is a most priceless gift - and a much more noble responsibility than simply performing as an Old Testament priest or anyone who tries to copy this Jewish priesthood. This present glory - reconciliation and justification and ambassadorship - is much more glorious. We are no longer priests, but saints and Ambassadors, and this is far more glorious than the priesthood:

II Corinthians 3:9: For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. II Corinthians 3:10: For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. II Corinthians 3:11: For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

ANY ONE who believes the above Bible truth will be guaranteed eternal salvation with the Lord Jesus Christ, and no man or earthly leader can separate us from the love of God who give us these things freely.

30 posted on 01/02/2012 3:46:58 PM PST by bibletruth
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To: RnMomof7

It’s only because the Pope and his group are a defective, fake church. They splintered off the true Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church.


31 posted on 01/02/2012 3:47:08 PM PST by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: DennisR

Didn’t the the “the leader of catholicism” take bribes for dead relatives salvation,kill people for translating the Bible,jail people for suggesting the earth is not the center of the universe...hmmm, all this and a lot more, from an Infallible Pope.I guess these are just more examples of “traditions”. Tradition is what led man from Adam’s perfect walk with God to Sodom.Jesus Christ,God’s Word, is our only salvation not convoluted illogical dogma.


32 posted on 01/02/2012 3:47:15 PM PST by rsobin
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To: DennisR

Didn’t the the “the leader of catholicism” take bribes for dead relatives salvation,kill people for translating the Bible,jail people for suggesting the earth is not the center of the universe...hmmm, all this and a lot more, from an Infallible Pope.I guess these are just more examples of “traditions”. Tradition is what led man from Adam’s perfect walk with God to Sodom.Jesus Christ,God’s Word, is our only salvation not convoluted illogical dogma.


33 posted on 01/02/2012 3:48:08 PM PST by rsobin
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To: RnMomof7; bibletruth
Are you quite sure that Dominus Iesus said that non-Catholic bodies or "ecclesial assemblies" had NONE of the means of salvation, not one?

Sorry guys.the pope says we are out ...
Again, where does he say that?

Rome cannot separate us from the love of God,

Could you please show where in the documents to which this article refers "Rome" claims it can or does or wants to separate you from the love of God?

34 posted on 01/02/2012 3:49:46 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: RnMomof7

“The other communities “cannot be called ‘churches’ in the proper sense” because they do not have apostolic succession — the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ’s original apostles — and therefore their priestly ordinations are not valid, it said.”

I hate to break it to some folks, but my church doesn’t HAVE priests, other than the priesthood of the believer.

Why? Because there were no priests in the New Testament, other than Jewish priests, or Jesus Christ Himself. And there is no perpetual sacrifice going on, because:

11 Every [Jewish] priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13 waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET. 14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. 15 And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying,

16 “THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM
AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD:
I WILL PUT MY LAWS UPON THEIR HEART,
AND ON THEIR MIND I WILL WRITE THEM,”

He then says,

17 “AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS
I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.”

18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin. — Heb 10

Given the number of evil, godless men who have been Pope, it is kind of tough to believe that “apostolic succession’ means diddly squat to God.

“15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’” - Jesus Christ, Matt 7


35 posted on 01/02/2012 3:50:05 PM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: RnMomof7

The only way for this to be true is if the Pope has a big gift bag of human spirits, which he personally creates because that is the spiritual gift God has given him.

He also must have the ability to read the hearts of every person who claims to be a believer, so he is accountable for either giving or retaining the human spirit from a new believer in Christ.

He also has the ability to perform this immediately and not through any other intermediary as time is short between when an believer first comes to faith through Christ and when God the Holy Spirit then indwells the new believer.

So in this fashion the Pope now is able to perform the duties He claims are the solitary domain of the RCC denomination and not of any other person. This obviously implies, not even God the Holy Spirit would have this power because God doesn’t contradict Himself,...so either it is God the Holy Spirit or the Pope who has the ability to determine if a human is a sinner or saint, one already condemned to eternal condemnation or one who has salvation.

IMHO, and from that which Scripture provides, it isn;t any man who has that power, but only God Himself. If not the Pope, then the Pope has also sinned against God the Holy Spirit in his declaration.


36 posted on 01/02/2012 3:50:09 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: patlin
Any doctrine that teaches that Moses was done away with, that Messiah came to start a new religion or that claims Messiah/YHVH gave the church the authority to change YHVH's everlasting divine doctrine is out right blasphemy.

Are you disputing the New Testament?

37 posted on 01/02/2012 3:50:54 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Nervous Tick
>> When PoPo shows me scripture that justifies his existence, we can talk about it. <<

Try Matthew 16:18-19

38 posted on 01/02/2012 3:51:13 PM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: rsobin

Where did you ever come upon the wrong information there? Maybe a pamplet?


39 posted on 01/02/2012 3:53:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: reaganaut
"We all end up Mormon" (teehee)
40 posted on 01/02/2012 3:53:54 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: BillyBoy
Matthew 16:18-19

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41 posted on 01/02/2012 3:54:14 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Mr Rogers

If I were to get really obnoxious I would ask you to provide proof of your minister’s absolute succession by ordination to Christ himself.


42 posted on 01/02/2012 3:54:50 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BillyBoy; Nervous Tick

So that’s great for Peter - how does that stretch to a man voted into office by 137 other men?


43 posted on 01/02/2012 3:54:49 PM PST by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: BillyBoy

Same authority has been given to every believer in Christ.

By Matthew 16:18-19


44 posted on 01/02/2012 3:55:45 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: RnMomof7

Definition:

Cult: WE are the only ones saved.
Occult: We are the only ones with the secret information.

Christianity: Follower of Christ, not men


45 posted on 01/02/2012 3:56:36 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: bibletruth

Another post that makes me wish FR had a “Like” button.


46 posted on 01/02/2012 3:56:36 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: patlin

Are you saying that Christians are bond to OT circumcision and dietary laws?


47 posted on 01/02/2012 3:56:49 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Salvation
Sorry. Praying to Mary imputes omniscience to her. Omniscience is a trait of God alone. Therefore, assuming that she can hear your prayers makes her God. She isn't. Prayer is worship. In Scripture, God says, "Come let us reason together." - Isaiah 1:18. God wants us to employ our intellect in understanding and believing in Him.

One who hears the prayers of our hearts must be omniscient, omnipresent and, in order to act on our prayers, omnipotent. Those attributes are God's and God's alone.

48 posted on 01/02/2012 3:57:44 PM PST by Dr. Thorne (Fall on your knees before Christ, your only salvation!)
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To: RnMomof7

It’s not even a war here now, it’s blitzkrieg! The Pope oughta just surrender to the one (usually ungrammatical) sentence prottie theologians.


49 posted on 01/02/2012 3:58:05 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: RnMomof7
>> Sorry guys.the pope says we are out... so much for “cant we all get along” huh?<<

LOL Was that before or after he joined with Islamists, Buddhists, and other pagans for prayer?

50 posted on 01/02/2012 3:59:11 PM PST by CynicalBear
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