Posted on 01/03/2012 3:30:48 PM PST by Gamecock
I know many intelligent Protestant and am alarmed at your lack of charity. Also I would never disdain the simple faith of anyone, Catholic or Protestant.
The fact that Catholic Theology is beyond some does not mean they are stupid.
The Joyful Mysteries
(Mondays and Saturdays)
1. The Annunciation (Luke 1:26-38) [Spiritual fruit - Humility]
2. The Visitation (Luke 1: 39-56) [Spiritual fruit - Love of Neighbor]
3. The Nativity (Luke 2:1-20) [Spiritual fruit - Poverty of Spirit]
4. The Presentation (Luke 2:21-38) [Spiritual fruit - Purity of mind & body]
5. The Finding of Jesus in the Temple (Luke 2:41-52) [Spiritual fruit - Obedience ]
The Luminous Mysteries or Mysteries of Light
(Thursdays) see Rosarium Virginis Mariae
1. Jesus' Baptism in the Jordan (II Corinthians 5:21, Matthew 3:17 and parallels) [Spiritual fruit - Gratitude for the gift of Faith]
2. Jesus' self-manifestation at the wedding of Cana (John 2:1- 12) [Spiritual fruit - Fidelity]
3. Jesus' proclamation of the Kingdom of God, with His call to conversion (Mark 1:15, Mark 2:3-13; Luke 7:47- 48, John 20:22-23) [Spiritual fruit - Desire for Holiness]
4. Jesus' Transfiguration (Luke 9:35 and parallels) [Spiritual fruit - Spiritual Courage]
5. Jesus' institution of the Eucharist, as the sacramental expression of the Paschal Mystery. (Luke 24:13-35 and parallels, 1 Corinthians 11:24-25) [Spiritual fruit - Love of our Eucharistic Lord]
The Sorrowful Mysteries
(Tuesdays and Fridays)
1. The Agony in the Garden (Matthew 26:36-46, Luke 22:39-46) [Spiritual fruit - God's will be done]
2. The Scourging at the Pillar (Matthew 27:26, Mark 15:15, John 19:1) [Spiritual fruit - Mortification of the senses]
3. The Crowning with Thorns (Matthew 27:27-30, Mark 15:16-20, John 19:2) [Spiritual fruit - Reign of Christ in our heart]
4. The Carrying of the Cross (Matthew 27:31-32, Mark 15:21, Luke 23:26-32, John 19:17) [Spiritual fruit - Patient bearing of trials]
5. The Crucifixion (Matthew 27:33-56, Mark 15:22-39, Luke 23:33-49, John 19:17-37) [Spiritual fruit - Pardoning of Injuries]
The Glorious Mysteries
(Wednesdays and Sundays)
1.The Resurrection (Matthew 28:1-8, Mark 16:1-18, Luke 24:1-12, John 20:1-29) [Spiritual fruit - Faith]
2. The Ascension (Mark 16:19-20, Luke 24:50-53, Acts 1:6-11) [Spiritual fruit - Christian Hope]
3. The Descent of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:1-13) [Spiritual fruit - Gifts of the Holy Spirit]
4. The Assumption [Spiritual fruit - To Jesus through Mary]
5. The Coronation [Spiritual fruit - Grace of Final Perseverance]
I thought of your testimony when I first read this.
Perhaps I didn’t express myself accurately. A Josef Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVIth) versus a Charles Stanley would be a laughable comparison. Fill in the blank with any protestant of your choice.
Don’t be alarmed.
Furthermore, most people of limited intellect leave the Catholic church because they can’t understand things. It’s true. It’s much easier to walk down an aisle and declare one’s love for Jesus and get eternal salvation. Simple, non-intellectual, non-thinking. Maybe that’s why God created Martin Luther.
Thanks for your clarification.
You’re very welcome.
This is the most vituperative and uncharitable thread. I am disgusted. You all should be ashamed, lobbing anti-Catholic slander, blathering on about ‘you can’t be Christian unless you xx (fill in the blank).’
John 17.21: “I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. ... I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one.... May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.”
What kind of witness can we Christians give to the world if we are nattering at each other WITHIN our very family about tittles and jots? I got on the Religion thread because I couldn’t bear to watch Iowa and read the inane news coming out of the secular world. But this thread is by far the most disgusting of all.
There’s plenty of anti-Protestant slander here as well. Just sayin’.
Rom 10:20"... I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me."
Correction: Please change above statement. Should read: “There’s plenty of anti-Protestant slander and bigotry on this thread.”
“He did it first, Mom.”
Just pointing out what should be obvious to all. (Apparently it’s not.)
I feel sorry for this poor confused man and I am not surprised if attendance at Maynooth Seminary left him damaged. That place has been run sexually perverted heretics for the past few decades. He apparently had some very serious issues with sin going in. The disordered environment at Maynooth could only make things worse.
The story is vague but it sounds like he was frustrated by his inability to stop sinning so he sought another route of receiving forgiveness. In other words, it sounds like he thinks that he found an alternative to the battle against sin. He says that Protestantism enabled forgiving, not the ending of his sins.
If he decided to surrender to his sins, that is certainly a reason to leave the Church. However, exchanging true doctrine for false will not win him forgiveness.
Romans 8:34: Who is he that condemneth? [the Pope condemns all that are not Catholics] It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Romans 8:35: Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Romans 8:36: As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Romans 8:37: Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Romans 8:38: For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Romans 8:39: Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
It is Christ's finished work on the Cross that permits me to "rest" in the finished work of Christ knowing that my sins are completely forgiven - it is GOD who forgives my sins, not men -- but you must continue to go about your own self righteous works to be saved...hoping that in the end you are saved after you physically die... All the while I will be in heaven watching from above as you continue to boast in doing good works which are opposed to God's free grace of salvation...
On the contrary...your religious system is spiritually undiscerned to continue to be justified by yourselves out from among works of the flesh.
>>This shows signs of being unlearned. Protestants don’t have a clue about what Catholics really mean or believe.
Self-righteous works are worthless. Did you bother reading what St. Mark the Ascetic wrote in the excerpt I cited?
Stop reading polemical tracts written by ignorant people who don’t know what they are writing about.
The works St. Paul refers to are the works of the Jewish law. He’s not talking about Christians keeping the commandments by faith.
So go rape, steal, cheat, etc. and say the magic words “Jesus I believe in you” and still go to heaven. Isn’t that what you are arguing for?
I know all of these verses, and they don’t mean what you construe them to.
Works without grace are dead, period.
Don’t go twisting scripture to make it fit your agenda, as St. Peter writes.
Of course salvation is by grace alone because there’s no way to be able to satisfy all 613 Levitical commandments that God gave Moses as a punishment for the Israelites’ sins.
Catholics believe in salvation by grace through faith every bit as much as Protestants do. It’s just the Scholastic terminology convolutes their real meaning.
You don’t have a clue about Catholicism.
Protestants should stop reading polemical tracts about Catholics and spend time getting to know real flesh and blood Catholics.
How many devout close Catholic friends do you have?
Jesus is a talisman for many Protestants who think they don’t need to live Christian lives to be saved.
Just look at the great Protestant theologies like “Gay theology”, which is a direct result of this sort of mindset.
“I believe in Jesus and am not under the law, so I can do what ever I want and still get saved.”
The fat guy pic in the chair drinking beer summarizes Protestant views about faith and works nicely because the fat guy has faith but no works.
Jesus is a talisman for many Protestants who think they don’t need to live Christian lives to be saved.
Just look at the great Protestant theologies like “Gay theology”, which is a direct result of this sort of mindset.
“I believe in Jesus and am not under the law, so I can do what ever I want and still get saved.”
The fat guy pic in the chair drinking beer summarizes Protestant views about faith and works nicely because the fat guy has faith but no works.
Many. I live in a predominantly Catholic state. Catholics should follow their own advice and not make assumptions and spend their time instead reading God’s Word (without filling in blanks that aren’t there).
I asked. But just because the state you live in is “Catholic” really doesn’t mean much anymore.
Your average Catholic layman is uneducated about Catholicism.
That’s been my experience in almost 20 years of being a Catholic.
But I asked if you have close friends who are Catholic and who know their faith?
I didn’t presume anything.
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