Posted on 01/03/2012 3:30:48 PM PST by Gamecock
What part of that don’t Protestants understand?They deny that truth along with many others. They ignore the clear words of Our Lord, for example:
“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “
LOL!!!!!!!!!
This article is too superficial to be true. It appears to be written by someone (not very sophisticiated) who knows a few Catholic “terms” and throws them around. Not much depth or thought. And some error.
I don’t believe a word. This is a propoganda piece.
The rosary is a meditation on the Gospel.
Perhaps you ought to learn about Catholicism before your lob baseless comments like this, lest you look silly
Did you like the links to the school website that indicate this ‘seminarian’ failed to go to class?
Some of us Christ-followers come across as “anti-Catholic” because so many Roman Catholics think that they’re the only ones who are fully saved, and that all others are missing out on the fullness of faith in Christ.
Such denominational arrogance is, naturally, upsetting.
How do you feel when Mormons or Muslims say that your faith is a lie? That’s how I feel when Roman Catholics tell me that faith in Christ is insufficient, that I must be a member of their club to be fully saved.
Roman Catholics who promote Christ — I love ‘em. Roman Catholics who damn me for exalting Christ above all — they cause me to bristle.
Must be nice being sinless.
Or not. I guess you don’t need a Savior if you’re sinless.
The Apostle Paul was not sinless. He had daily need of a Savior.
After reading this I hope you find him and tell him he was correct and that you were wrong
It is from an article I wrote several years ago.
Born “from Above” Vs. “Again
The Greek word Anothon occurs exactly 12 times in 12 verses in the New Testament.
The four words we are concerned with are Anothon which the Catholics contend means “From above” and the Fundies contend means again. The second word is Apanow, which means above/ over The third word is Palon- that really does mean again and Deuteron that means secondly.
If the protestants are correct when we look at each of these verses we should be able to substitute either word and have it make perfect sense. I have included several verses that use the word Palon to document the common use of that word.
You will also notice that in John 3:4 that Nicodemus does not use either Palon or Anothon, but rather Deuteron, meaning secondly or second.
Matt 27:50 50 30 But Jesus cried out again (Palon) in a loud voice, and gave up his spirit.
Matt 27:51 51 And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top (Anthon) to bottom. 31 The earth quaked, rocks were split,
Mark 15:38 16 The veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top (above anthon) to bottom.
Luke 1:3 I too have decided, after investigating everything accurately anew (From their source anthon), to write it down in an orderly sequence for you, most excellent Theophilus,
John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born 3 from above (Anthon).”
John 3: 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a person once grown old be born again (duetron secondly)? Surely he cannot reenter his mother’s womb and be born again, can he?”
John 3:31 15 The one who comes from above (Anthon) is above (Anthon) all. The one who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of earthly things. But the one who comes from heaven (is above all).
John 19:11 Jesus answered (him), “You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you from above (Anthon). For this reason the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin.”
John 19:23 When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his clothes and divided them into four shares, a share for each soldier. They also took his tunic, but the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from the top (Anthon) down.
Acts 26:5 They have known about me from the start (Anthon) From the first), if they are willing to testify, that I have lived my life as a Pharisee, the strictest party of our religion.
Galatians 4:9 but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again (Palon) Untranslated word Anthon (anew) to the weak and destitute elemental powers? Do you want to be slaves to them all over again (Palon)?
James 1: 17 all good giving and every perfect gift 9 is from above (Anthon), coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no alteration or shadow caused by change.
James 3: 15 Wisdom of this kind does not come down from above (Anthon) but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic.
James 3: 17 But the wisdom from above (Anthon) is first of all pure, then peaceable, gentle, compliant, full of mercy and good fruits, without inconstancy or insincerity.
All 12 verses with the Greek Translation
Matt 27:50 But Jesus cried out again (Palon) in a loud voice, and gave up his spirit. Mat 27:50 o de ihsouv palin kraxav fwnh megalh afhken to pneuma
Matt 27:51 And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top (Anothon) to bottom. 31 The earth quaked, rocks were split, Mat 27:51 kai idou to katapetasma tou naou esxisqh ap eiv duo apo anwqen ewv katw eiv duo kai h gh eseisqh kai ai petrai esxisqhsan
Mark 15:38 16 The veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top (above Anothon) to bottom. Mar 15:38 kai to katapetasma tou naou esxisqh eiv duo ap apo anwqen ewv katw
Luke 1:3 I too have decided, after investigating everything accurately anew (From their source Anothon), to write it down in an orderly sequence for you, most excellent Theophilus, Luk 1:3 edoxe edoxen kamoi parhkolouqhkoti anwqen pasin akribwv kaqexhv soi grayai kratiste qeofile
John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above (Anothon).” Joh 3:3 apekriqh o ihsouv kai eipen autw amhn amhn legw soi ean mh tiv gennhqh anwqen ou dunatai idein thn basileian tou qeou
John 3: 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a person once grown old be born again (duetron secondly)? Surely he cannot reenter his mother’s womb and be born again, can he?” John 3:31 15 The one who comes from above (Anothon) is above (Apanow) all. The one who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of earthly things. But the one who comes from heaven (is above all). John 19:11 Jesus answered (him), “You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you from above (Anothon). For this reason the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin.” Joh 19:11 apekriqh autw o ihsouv ouk eixev exousian oudemian kat emou oudemian ei mh hn soi dedomenon soi anwqen dia touto o paradouv paradidouv me soi meizona amartian exei
John 19:23 When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his clothes and divided them into four shares, a share for each soldier. They also took his tunic, but the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from the top (Anothon) down. Joh 19:23 oi oun stratiwtai ote estaurwsan ton ihsoun elabon ta imatia autou kai epoihsan tessara merh ekastw stratiwth merov kai ton xitwna hn de o xitwn arafov arrafov ek twn anwqen ufantov di olou
Acts 26:5 They have known about me from the start (Anothon, From the first), if they are willing to testify, that I have lived my life as a Pharisee, the strictest party of our religion. Act 26:5 proginwskontev me anwqen ean qelwsi qelwsin marturein oti kata thn akribestathn airesin thv hmeterav qrhskeiav ezhsa farisaiov
Galatians 4:9 but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again (Palon) Untranslated word Anothon (anew) to the weak and destitute elemental powers? Do you want to be slaves to them all over again (Palon)? Gal 4:9 nun de gnontev qeon mallon de gnwsqentev upo qeou pwv epistrefete palin epi ta asqenh kai ptwxa stoixeia oiv palin anwqen douleuein qelete
James 1:17 all good giving and every perfect gift is from above (Anothon), coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no alteration or shadow caused by change. Jas 1:17 pasa dosiv agaqh kai pan dwrhma teleion anwqen estin katabainon apo tou patrov twn fwtwn par w ouk eni parallagh h trophv aposkiasma
James 3:15 Wisdom of this kind does not come down from above (Anothon) but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. Jas 3:15 ouk estin auth h sofia anwqen katerxomenh alla all epigeiov yuxikh daimoniwdhv
James 3:17 But the wisdom from above (Anothon) is first of all pure, then peaceable, gentle, compliant, full of mercy and good fruits, without inconstancy or insincerity. Jas 3:17 h de anwqen sofia prwton men agnh estin epeita eirhnikh epieikhv eupeiqhv mesth eleouv kai karpwn agaqwn adiakritov kai anupokritov
Conclusion: The only reasonable definition of the word “Anthon” is “From above/ from the source or beginning”, There is a perfectly good word for “again” but, neither Nicodemus, or Jesus use that word, instead Nicodemus uses Deuteron.
As pointed out by Maggie and several others Nicodemus apparent confusion results from Jesus’ use of the word “Born” not “From above” Anothon
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Why would anyone belong to ANY faith unless they believed it was the true one? Seems to me the thing that annoys foliks is that Catholics express what everyone else thinks.
If a Protestant believes, for example, that another religion is a valid one, why wouldn`t he belong to that religion?
Are all Christ-centered religions equally valid? If so, is it merely a matter of shopping for the one that feels right, or which worships in a way that is comfortable to the believer?
I`m asking because this perplexes me. If one DOESN`T believe his particular faith is THE one, why would he belong to that church?
Just take a look at the comments in this discussion.
Consider their nastiness, their uncharitability, their aloof pomposity, their cynicism.
And you wonder why some of us come across as “anti-Catholic”? Yes, I am anti-nastiness, anti-arrogance. And pro-Christ. Christ the Savior above all, above even Roman Catholic hierarchy.
Tell me: Did Jesus speak well of the church that God had established millennia before through Abraham? Or did He rebuke those leaders, calling on people to trust directly in God?
“I’ve had a RCC seminary professor tell me that “born again” doesn’t mean “born again” and I had a Jesuit tell me that Jesus was not bodily resurrected.”
Running into two heretics does not invalidate Catholic theology. I’ve run into protestant ministers who preached (privately) that sex was the proper conclusion to religious fervor (a la Elmer Gantry), but you don’t see me trying to characterize that as a legitimate part of your faith.
Satan’s attacks on the Church during the 20th century, chiefly through the KGB and the Lavendar Mafia, left us with a number of heretics in the priesthood. However, the corner has been turned, and this too will pass.
Christ said that HE is the Way, the Truth, the Life.
It is sufficient to trust in Him, regardless whether you’re Roman Catholic or Baptist or Presbyterian. Scripture is the way we understand who He is, and who we are, and what our need is.
I am not truly anti-Roman Catholic. I’m anti-those who anathematize me because I’m not a member of their denomination.
I don’t have time to look through my comment history. I remember Cronos is one person who’s damned me for not being Roman Catholic. He’s not the most virulent.
There are many others here on FR. Just go through my comment history and look at the comments of those who are attacking me on religion threads because I exalt Christ alone as Savior.
It’s really pretty pathetic how anti-Christian some Roman Catholic FReepers are.
Did you think I was lying when I said that I’ve been “anathematized” by Roman Catholic FReepers?
Some of your aren't Christ-followers, but rather are just stuck on your own personal interptretation of Scripture.
The OT and NT was written by Jews, inspired by God.
The validity of the NT is grounded in apostolic authorship, NOT in Roman edicts.
LOL! Brilliant!
That guy in the bleachers must be an Arminian.
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