Posted on 01/30/2012 9:31:42 AM PST by Colofornian
MORmONS come up with the most insane idiocy, and then they expect others to believe it because they say so, then they get offended when others dont. LDS INC has been working very hard to keep this video blocker and off of youtube because it helps shows just how stupid MORmON claims really
Lookie here, seems Joe Smith was a prophet afterall:
Bony Moronie, check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD_NQ8-82KQ
“This seems to go completely against the golden rule (see Matthew 7:12).”
Not at all. I find that my faith is stronger because when people have questioned me or even mocked me I’ve had to answer them by searching Scripture and my heart for answers. One of my answers is found in the fact that Scripture is essentially unchanged from when it was written. The Book of Mormon, in contrast, is a work in progress with revisions following one after the other. The BoM has had over 4,000 changes in 200 years. In that same time the King James Bible remained unchanged. Amazing.
So, yes, I believe that Mormonism and Mormons require the same scrutiny as do Christians and Christianity in general. If they are not able to withstand such scrutiny then that becomes a matter of introspection for each of them, I would suppose.
Well unlike superman errr I mean Joe wonderboy Smith There is historical records outside The Holy Bible that proves, people, places, things, and customs written about in the Bible. Where are the plates? Where is the historical or archealogical data proving anything Joe says. Btw google Kinderhook Plates
You would rather have people lie to you then tell you the truth? You would rather have them not correct errors or misconceptions that you have?
Gee, I would. Hence do unto others.
BTW, it took these kinds of comments to get me to see that there is no way Mormonism is possibly ‘true’ in any way.
The testimony of the eight witnesses:
“Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates of which hath been spoken, which have the appearance of gold; and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands; and we also saw the engravings thereon, all of which has the appearance of ancient work, and of curious workmanship. And this we bear record with words of soberness, that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. And we give our names unto the world, to witness unto the world that which we have seen. And we lie not, God bearing witness of it.”
Did you miss the part where they later admitted they only saw with their ‘spiritual’ eyes, not physically saw the plates and what they saw in person was a box covered with a cloth.
I can provide you more info on this Norm.
I know it is hard to accept that your entire religion is built on lies, but Mormonism is built on one lie after an other. An objective look at the evidence bears that out.
https://www.thebereancall.org/node/8154
http://www.mrm.org/eleven-witnesses
Really, Norm. Do the research, think for yourself. Your soul is at stake.
Geesh Normandy.....I thought you died and went to Kolob.
Hi OO — not disappointed, I hope!
Naw...glad you are still alive.
Maybe someone, some words, or maybe even just the Words of the Christian Bible will convert you to Christ.
I pray that it is so.
Thanks OO, glad to still be around :)
Actually the words of the Christian Bible converted me to Christ. As a young man I became convinced from the Bible that Jesus truly was my Savior. As time went on I came across the Book of Mormon, which solidified my faith in Christ, and was baptized a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
I never left behind the Christian Bible, I love it to this day!
Best to you,
Normandy
Joseph Smith claims that after he translated the plates, he returned them to the angel Moroni. Therefore, there is no way to verify the veracity of the plates or Smith's translation. Smith's only defense of his account is the eleven men who signed statements claiming to have seen the golden plates. Therefore, the credibility of Smith's account rests on the testimony of these eleven witnesses. There are three key witnesses who claim to have seen the angel show the golden plates to them. The remaining eight allege to have seen the plates but not the angel. The LDS church asserts these men never denied their testimony. However, when we examine the lives of the witnesses, we find they were untrustworthy, wavering, and gullible witnesses.
Six of the eleven witnesses, including the three key witnesses were eventually excommunicated from the church. Former Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson summed up the legacy of the eleven witnesses this way. "Six of the original Twelve Apostles selected by Joseph Smith were excommunicated. The three Witnesses to the Book of Mormon left the church. Three of Joseph Smith's counselors fell--one even helped plot his death. . . . The wolves among our flock are more numerous and devious today than when President Clark made a similar statement [in 1949]."{6}
Let us first examine the character of the three key witnesses since their testimony is the most important. In a letter dated December 16, 1838, Joseph Smith stated this about the three key witnesses and John Whitmer, one of the eight. "John Whitmer, David Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, and Martin Harris are too mean to mention."{7}
Martin Harris' testimony shows him to be a gullible and unstable man. He changed his religious conviction approximately thirteen times. He had joined several Christian denominations and other cult groups that include the Universalists, Strangites, and the Shakers. {8}(Ankerberg, 196) In Doctrine and Covenants, Joseph Smith gave revelations in which he denounces Martin Harris and calls him a "wicked man."{9} The Mormon leaders published an article in the Elder's Journal, a Mormon publication edited by Joseph Smith, in which they accused Harris guilty of "swearing, lying, cheating, swindling, drinking, with every species of debauchery. . ." (Elders Journal, August, 1838, 59).{10} Here the leaders of the Mormon Church strongly criticize the character of Harris.
Oliver Cowdery was also shown to be a very gullible man. He was led astray by Hiram Page, one of the eight witnesses who himself claimed to have divine revelations from his own seer stone. Although Joseph Smith denounced Hiram as a false teacher, Smith stated "to our grief, however, we soon found that Satan had been lying in wait to deceive. . . . Brother Hiram Page had in his possession a certain stone, by which he obtained certain 'revelations' . . . all of which were entirely at variance with the order of God's House, . . ."{11} Despite Smith's condemnation, Oliver Cowdery joined Page's movement. Not only was he a gullible man, he was also indicted on several accounts of fraudulent business practices. The Mormon Church in a letter wrote, "During the career of Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer's bogus money business, it got abroad into the world that they were engaged in it. . . . We have evidence of a very strong character that you are at this very time engaged with a gang of counterfeiters, coiners, and blacklegs . . ."{12} Cowdery was eventually excommunicated and he later joined the Methodist Church.
David Whitmer wrote, "God spake to me again by his own voice from the heavens, and told me to 'separate myself from among the Latter- day Saints, for as they sought to do unto me, so should it be done unto them." In the spring of 1838, the heads of the church and many of the members had gone deep into error and blindness. . . . About the same time that I came out, the Spirit of God moved upon quite a number of the brethren who came out, with their families, all of the eight witnesses who were then living (except the three Smiths) came out; . . ."{13} Here David Whitmer denounced the Mormon Church and encouraged people to follow his example and the example of the other witnesses and leave the church.
Joseph Smith in response attacked the character of David Whitmer. Smith stated, "God suffered such kind of beings to afflict Job . . . this poor man who professes to be much of a prophet, has no other dumb ass to ride but David Whitmer, to forbid his madness when he goes up to curse Israel: and this ass not being of the same kind as Balaam's . . . he brays out cursing instead of blessings. Poor ass!"{14}
The character and life of the eleven witnesses to the Book of Mormon are very different from the Apostles of Christ. None of the Apostles wavered in their defense of Christ, even though all suffered and most died for their faith. The Apostles remained consistent in their teaching and never fell into any type of apostasy. Their lives were marked by honesty and integrity. They were never indicted for any criminal activity except for preaching Christ. The character of the Book of Mormon's eleven witnesses does not strengthen Smith's defense but cast further doubt on its authenticity.
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Hi reaganaut, I thank you for caring about my soul.
Quite honestly I became a Mormon, and remain a Mormon *because* I have done my research and thought for myself, and have prayed to God for guidance and direction.
Believe me, I’d have been long gone if I had found the LDS Church to been built on the craftiness and fabrications of men. I have found out for myself that Mormonism is of God.
I point out all the time that the sin is wrong. There is a vast difference in doing this and an outright attack on a person. Lots of people hold many religions near and dear to their hearts (false, yes) and attacking them with vitriol is not Christs way. Don't care what any angry FReeper tells me. I'm friends with a few Mormons, and I tell you if I were to say anything close to what people here are saying about Mormonism to them not only would it drive a wedge between me and them, but more importantly, it would drive a further wedge between Christ and them.
I prayed that you see the error's of your way.
Still trusting in God that the scales on your eyes will be wiped off.
I appreciate your approach, vpintheak.
I sometimes wonder if common courtesy and good manners is valued by some Christians.
We have to pray Newt is the nominee Can anyone imagine a President Romney? we will be the laughing-stock of the World when they start examining his beliefs
Romney will be a laughing stock not because of mormonISM but because he is an idiot liberal.
However, mormonISM will be exposed for what it is, that in and of itself might not be a bad thing.
It will have to happen without my vote, I will never vote for that stink’n liberal.
Normandy I’m praying for you too
This is my favorite song It reminds me that no amount of money no amount of good works would be enough to get me into heaven He already paid that price for all sinners on Mount Calvary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz4BqS5LpNU&feature=related
Your welcome. It’s still there where I’m from and where I’m at now!
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