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To: sockmonkey; Mrs. Don-o; rbmillerjr
My Princes are dumber than rocks.

No, dear friend! They are assessing the game plan to their advantage. Their position is solid and unchanging .. that is good. To support her position, Sebelius indicated that nearly 98% of catholic women have used birth control at some point in time, for medical reasons. In fact, 30+ years ago, my doctor put me on birth control to treat endometriosis. The objective was to eliminate the endometriosis so that I could become pregnant. It didn't work. However, that places me, a non contracepting catholic woman, in Sebelius' statistic. Do you see how cleverly the snake slithers through the grass? Let's be frank and honest. The actual number of young catholic women who take birth control to limit the size of their families, is well below that number. Sebelius is using that statistic to manipulate the POTUS in her direction, by referring to it as medicine.

The bishops are walking through a mine field that include catholic women on both sides of the issue. While they can never condone the use of contraceptives and related drugs, they must navigate the field in a way that does not alienate contracepting women from the Church. Remember, they have until January to formulate a decision on this matter. The ball has been tossed back to their court, by Obama. Rather than make an impulsive decision, they have wisely decided to place this item on their Spring agenda. In the meantime, we have Bill Donohue and a host of other catholics out there to scream 'foul'. As Donohue noted on Fox this afternoon, his insurance provider is Christian Brothers. As a catholic organization, how can they pay for contraceptives that go against their conscience? Besides, with any organization that provides insurance coverage to their employees, the employer is funding all or a portion of that insurance. And now, to compound matters, the insurance companies are also assessing the situation. Who will pay them for this? The issue is far more complex than what we see and deserves time for a proper response.

Next week, Timothy Dolan, President of the USCCB will leave for Rome and his elevation to cardinal. Let's remember him and ALL the bishops in our prayers. God knows they need them.

18 posted on 02/10/2012 2:06:54 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer
They are assessing the game plan to their advantage. Their position is solid and unchanging .. that is good.

I am glad you have more confidence in them than I. I agree the teachings of the Church are solid and unchanging, but I am afraid that is not always the case with the USCCB.

IMHO, I would rather have a Fr. Z in my foxhole than a Cardinal Wuerl.

19 posted on 02/10/2012 3:42:10 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: NYer

Excellent analysis of the new “accommodation”.

In my opinion the Bishops were outmaneuvered by Obama and his merry band of Leftists, on ObamaCare.

Let’s hope and pray that memory is at the forefront of their thinking, while they seek to negotiate with Obama and Sebelius.


20 posted on 02/10/2012 4:15:15 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: NYer
The ultimate cause of this situation was the failure of the bishops and clergy fully to support Humanae Vitae after the it was issued in 1968. The background of this was 1) the anti-Roman impulse coming out of the Council, 2) the pushing of reform by modernist clergy and elite laity, and 3) the said fact that for years priests had been telling women in the confessional that the Church was about to changes its teaching on birth control. A largely lay committee had recommended such a change. Humanae Vitae was thus construed as a veto of a “democratic” movement in the Church aimed at coming to terms with modern life. Now I must admit that I was all happy with what was going on. It was only after the disaster of the Abortion decisions that I began to look at things, differently, and really not until about 20 years ago, did it began to “get” what the pope’s real message was. The proof positive, to me, came after the 1992 election when Gays began their now successful movement to overthrow tradition marriage in this country. The disjunction of procreation from the sex act, is the basis of all this. Without this as a fundamental principle, marriage is no more than a sham.
21 posted on 02/10/2012 4:35:35 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: NYer
And Sister Carol, 95 percent of the Bishops aren't with you. Figure that out!

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25 posted on 02/10/2012 7:25:41 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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