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Thinking Strategically about a Ban Disavowal [Mormon racism re: ban of blacks]
By Common Consent ^ | March 2, 2012 | Kevin Barney

Posted on 03/06/2012 5:08:50 AM PST by Colofornian

I’m a director in a couple of Mormon world-related not for profits...

...Here we sit 32 years after the 1978 revelation and we have one of BYU’s most popular religion professors indoctrinating thousands of our youth every year in the old explanations. This is a potential disaster for the organization. We thought the old stuff would die a quiet death, but it hasn’t. We now live in a different world...our old strategy of waiting for time to heal the wound has been shown to be a failure. So now we’ve got to rethink things.

SNIP

This is tough on our current leaders, because they knew and worked intimately with many of those brethren from a prior generation, and are loathe to throw them under the bus, as a disavowal of the ban might be perceived as doing...

...if Romney gets the nomination, then we’ll see this issue blow up in such a way that the last few days will seem like a harmless firecracker...

A lot of people have expressed the view that a disavowal would destroy the Church, that there would be massive faith crises. Sure, this would happen on a small scale, like the 500 people who took out an ad in the SL Tribune to protest the 1978 revelation...

“We don’t know” was an interim strategy that worked well enough for its time. But the problem is, that mantra was meant to preserve the possibility that God ordered the ban from on high, and a lot of older Saints understand it in exactly that way. And as long as we try to leave that option on the menu, people are going to continue to fill in the doctrinal vacuum with the old, offensive ideas. Those ideas will not die under a “we don’t know” rubric...

(Excerpt) Read more at bycommonconsent.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; History; Other non-Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: banofblacks; lds; mormon; racism
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To: svcw
If you are a person of faith, you should care what mormonism is, if not then you are correct it doesn’t matter.
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41 posted on 03/06/2012 2:44:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw
... you should care what mormonism is...

But remember; a person must actually KNOW about MORMONism first.

And, of course, a bit more of the Bible than, "Praise the LORD; I love JESUS!"

42 posted on 03/06/2012 2:46:46 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw
Interesting take, since it is the lds god who said that blacks where cursed, and then just when heat was being applied to SLC lds, well lookie here the lds gods changed their minds and blacks where no longer cursed. Oh, yea technically BHO is a mormon since his mom was dead dunked and is now a mormon.

Some folks wearing BLINDERS?

Then I'll need a bigger font!






"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

43 posted on 03/06/2012 2:48:23 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: muawiyah
The LDS habitually rewrite their beliefs so it is not inconceivable that they'd changed their rules on blacks way back then.

I've not experienced this.

They'll IGNORE and SPIN; but the stuff is STILL in their 'scriptures' and in their History; where they CANNOT repudiate or renounce it due to being threatened with a Spirit of APOSTACY because of going AGAINST what one of the MORMON high muckety muck has said and taught.

Look at THIS and tell me what kind of feeling would race through YOUR heart, if you were a 'modern' MORMON...

"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)


44 posted on 03/06/2012 2:52:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: annieokie
I am so thankful for these threads that are exposing the ISM of mormonism.


45 posted on 03/06/2012 2:55:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: allmendream

yes


46 posted on 03/06/2012 2:56:29 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: allmendream
Which religion do you find to be more racist, Mormonism or Black Liberation Theology?

Which religion do you find to DENY it's racism, Mormonism or Black Liberation Theology?

47 posted on 03/06/2012 2:57:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Well, I guess that covers everything ~ (laughing heartily).


48 posted on 03/06/2012 3:29:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: The Sons of Liberty

“How could being a Mormon (Romney) be worse than being a muzzie (0bama)? “

The voting public doesn’t perceive Zero to be a muzzie.


49 posted on 03/06/2012 3:50:17 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldnÂ’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: Elsie

Hey, a talking cow. Imagine that.


50 posted on 03/06/2012 7:08:34 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
An informed one; too!



51 posted on 03/06/2012 7:26:34 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

I said the GOP candidates have no chance at getting the black vote. Your pinhead buddy from kennedyland says that makes me a racist. So what! I stand by it. I suspect that even if Allen West or J.C Watts , two very qualified black members of the GOP were on the ticket, they would be quickly labeled “Uncle Toms” and even then the GOP would be lucky to get 20% of the black vote, so the money and resources are better spent elsewhere.


52 posted on 03/06/2012 7:40:18 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
...the GOP would be lucky to get 20% of the black vote...

Possibly; But I think there are a LOT of black folks who have been fooled once too often and are going to change.

Time will tell.

53 posted on 03/06/2012 8:27:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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