Skip to comments.Cardinal Dolan: White House Lectured My USCCB Staff On How to Interpret Catholic Teaching
Posted on 03/07/2012 10:14:16 AM PST by NYer
Cardinal Timothy Dolan sent a letter to his brother bishops earlier this week where he revealed a shocking conversation that recently took place at a meeting between White House and USCCB staff:
At a recent meeting between staff of the bishops conference and the White House staff, our staff members asked directly whether the broader concerns of religious freedomthat is, revisiting the straight-jacketing mandates, or broadening the maligned exemptionare all off the table. They were informed that they are. So much for working out the wrinkles. Instead, they advised the bishops conference that we should listen to the enlightened voices of accommodation, such as the recent, hardly surprising yet terribly unfortunate editorial in America. The White House seems to think we bishops simply do not know or understand Catholic teaching and so, taking a cue from its own definition of religious freedom, now has nominated its own handpicked official Catholic teachers
Let’s break this down so we don’t miss anything about the context or gravity of the situation:
1. This meeting was prompted because the White House decided to curtail and violate the religious freedom of the Catholic Church and individual Catholics.
2. The White House refused to consult with Catholic bishops while originally formulating and issuing this mandate. President Obama misled Cardinal Dolan when he promised the Cardinal he would be happy with the White House’s final decision.
3. The White House has continually lied about and misrepresented the opinion and position of the U.S. Bishops in this process (claiming, for instance, that they were always against Obamacare and that Catholic Charities USA supported their false accomodation). They have continued to act in bad faith.
4. The White House has also chosen to ally itself with liberal, left-wing Catholic dissenters like Sr. Carol Keehan throughout this process, thereby snubbing the U.S. Bishops and all faithful Catholics.
(Are you still there? Because now it gets really good….)
5. After all of this, when the White House finally gets around to inviting staff authorized by the USCCB to negotiate on behalf of them, the White House says what to them?! First, they issue an ultimatum saying all compromise is off the table. So what on earth are they supposed to talk about if the White House refuses from the outset to compromise in any way, shape, or form? The cynical answer is the White House, once again, simply wanted to establish the appearance of dialogue while offering zero substance.
6. Then, the White House proceeds to lecture the USCCB staff about how to interpret Catholic teaching! Can you imagine anything more offensive? Telling Catholics how to be Catholic? They show them a copy of the America editorial as if a) the staff has not already read it and b) the U.S. Bishops give a fig what the editors of America think.
7. Let’s read Cardinal Dolan’s line again:
The White House seems to think we bishops simply do not know or understand Catholic teaching and so, taking a cue from its own definition of religious freedom, now has nominated its own handpicked official Catholic teachers.
In other words, what we have here is NOT a failure to communicate. What we have here is an Administration and White House officials who believe they know Catholic teaching better than us. And who have the hubris to lecture us about what our faith teaches.
The editors of the Wall Street Journal comment:
As a study in ideology and power, the anecdote [of the White House meeting described above] is chilling, compounded by all the recent claims by Democrats and liberals that Catholics who actually abide by their faith are opposed to modernity. Such prejudice is supposedly defunct in contemporary America, except when it’s practiced against religion.
And not just any religion – Catholic religion.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t take kindly to my elected leaders lecturing me about what my faith teaches. Talk about the height of hypocrisy. Talk about an offense that cries out to the ballot box to be answered definitely.
Turning to modernity cost the Church dearly; Homosexual chickenhawk priests, seamless garment, vocations dropping through the floor, etc., billions of dollars and its reputation.
Hardly surprising, given that the Administration’s most respected authority on Catholic doctrine is Nancy Pelosi.
These naive fools think the Catholic Church should be run like obamites are running the United States government-
Based on public opinion polls influenced by manipulated data to meet a leftist agenda
Really, I do not see the Pope Dude becoming the leader of the Church of Wazzzzuuup .....
The White House is lecturing the church religious doctrine, but the Leftists tout separation of church and state.
BS. The Left believes in domination of the church by the state.
No surprise considering the arrogance of this administration.
To Alinskyites, the Church is just another man-made institution to be subverted.
I’m surprised they didn’t ask Bishop Dolan how many divisions he had.
That didn’t work out so well for Stalin.
I hope this steels Bishop Dolan’s will. I want him to tell Catholics not to vote for Obama in November. It may backfire, but it should be done. Losing the Church’s tax-exempt status would be liberating.
It’s now or never, should Obama be reelected. If he’s not reelected, the situation will return to the status quo ante.
The more I hear of Cardinal Dolan, the more I like him.
“Turning to modernity cost the Church dearly”
Well now, let’s take a look at “who” did the “turning”.
It was NOT the Vatican!
It was in fact, pockets within the USCCB and others dissenting from Rome.
If you stick to the teachings from Rome, you can recognize the human failings and avoid falling into them yourself.
This is exactly what the Chinese Communist govt does with their `state-run catholic church`.-
White House violates First Amendment by placing Catholic Teachers in the govt.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Just shoot the Bishops in the throat and throw the survivors in the hole.
I suspect the regime hacks are mulling what bone they need to throw to Dolan to shut him up, because the longer this continues, the more of a chance the sheeple may eventually catch on.
From the letter...
“Perhaps the courts offer the most light. In the recent Hosanna-Tabor ruling, the Supreme Court unanimously defended the right of a Church to define its own ministry and services, a dramatic rebuff to the administration, apparently unheeded by the White House. Thus, our bishops conference, many individual religious entities, and other people of good will are working with some top-notch law firms who feel so strongly about this that they will represent us
pro-bono. In the upcoming days, you will hear much more about this encouraging and welcome development.”- Cardinal Dolan
You are correct but the US wasn’t the only country infected; Germany, France, Italy, Britain, Ireland, Canada, South America as a special case because they moved into liberation theology.
Yup, they are unparalleled geniuses...
Shutting down drilling and "investing" in wonderful companies like Solyndra to drive energy prices down.
Poking the finger into the eyes of our allies and friends, and grovelling and apologizing to our enemies.
Focused on the economy like a fricken' laser beam, with their flagship initiative being to increase unemployment insurance ... Because nothing drives the economic recovery better than having more people on unemployment getting checks from the money tree...
A regular bunch of whiz kids. The Bishop's representatives should have bowed down in their presence as they were schooled in the intricacies of their religious beliefs...
The Chucrch needs to recognize that this is a war, not a negotiation. “Tax-Exempt Status” cannot hold them back.
1. Notify the public that Catholic facilities will be closed if HHS mandates are implemented.
2. Notify tyhe public the Catholic facilities will NOT be sold if HHS mandates are implemented.
3. Ex-communicate all political figure sympathetic to the HHS mandate. There are valid, established criteria to do so.
4. Advise Catholics to vote against this administration.
5. Advise Mexican Catholics to withhold support for this administration and point out their evil ways.
6. Seek cooperation from other religious groups.
I wonder if Bishop Dolan has “offended” 0bama as Steve Bridges and Andrew Breitbart had.
Again.. just wondering.
Did Dolan back Obmamcare originally?
These same left-wing Catholics are also trying to force through immigration reform laws under the guise of "social justice" with the meme being that they simply desire to promote "human dignity". Such forced religiously based legislation denies their fellow Americans, who are not Catholics, their First Amendment right of freedom of religion.
The Catholic Church in America is being taken over by those wishing to advance a political agenda under religious precepts.
And on a side note and purely conjecture...Islamists have hated the Catholic Church for more than a thousand year. Is this all some sort of "peace overture"? "We'll slap 'em around for you guys on the sly so ya'll don't get blamed."
Yup, Satan doesn’t think much of borders...
I agree with all, especially your fifth point.
I pray this happens. I think the bishops are beginning to realize that they’re dealing with a committed Marxist devil.
—— This is exactly what the Chinese Communist govt does with their `state-run catholic church`.- ——
Will we see a “Patriotic Catholic Church,” led by Notre Dame and the Jesuits? Stay tuned....
bump for later
This quote from an August 2011 National Review article aptly describes Obama's view of those who disagree with him:
Theres one major reason to doubt this explanation, namely that the president is one of the smartest people in the world, and whenever something goes wrong, its generally not because he made a mistake, but because he didnt explain himself well enough, and thats obviously his listeners fault, because hes the greatest orator since Lincoln, so hes obviously able to explain himself, but you have to be smart enough to follow him, you see.Clearly, Catholic leaders are not as smart as Obama. /s
The government’s recent intrusion into religion is terrifying. If this is what’s happening now, imagine what will be going on with four more years of Hussein minus a re-election in his future. We WILL be destroyed.
Cardinal Dolan should not have been surprised—that was exactly how Obama pretended to cooperate with the Republicans in Congress—set up meetings where no give-and-take takes place but Obama or his minions just restate their position and try to make the other side look like it is being unreasonable and is to blame for the failure to reach an agreement.
Gee, for the past few years I have been expecting REV 2...now it is beginning to look more like the 4th Crusade is coming first.
You got that right!
Get used to it, kaffirs. The Caliphate does not tolerate differing views.
And you are right.
Quite remarkable when you think about it. Here are a group of people (unfortunately leaders of our Country) who care only about appearances and the facade. As you said, they staged a similar game with the Republican Congressmen, as they did with the Bishop's people. Childish and deceitful. They may consider themselves to be 'masters of politics', but in the end their actions are just lies.
A word search of 'abomination', seems to talk a lot about this gang. Here are a couple examples:
Proverbs 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.
Proverbs 11:20 They that are of a froward [distorted; hence, false:--crooked, froward, perverse] heart are abomination to the LORD: but such as are upright in their way are his delight.
I cannot help but wonder if this will finally open the eyes of the Black church to the leftist liberals they've so long been allied with. Once upon a time I would have held out some hope, but I've long come to believe that if that time were ever to come it would have come long ago. The Black churches don't seem to care how far to the Left or anti-religious Obama is; he's "one of them" (while conservative Blacks are treated as lepers). And yet they go right on worshiping like gap-toothed West Virginia snake-handlers.
How can "religious people" be so blind, deaf, dumb, and/or stubborn?
——The bishops need to realize and accept that they’ve got political subversives in their midst and they’re using the Church in an inappropriate manner to achieve nefarious ends——
Fortunately, a lot of the sixties generation is retiring. The new, younger bishops seem to be fairly reliable. They’re all pretty weak when it comes to welfare programs. They’re receiving poor seminary training in that regard.
Subsidiarity and natural law. Repeat as necessary.
Cardinal Dolan, there’s nothing to discuss.
Encourage them to get involved in their local parish or in a near by parish that better represents their beliefs and to work for the changes they desire. The laity, through their works, voices and prayers are the workmen of Christ and the instruments of change. Some within the Church have deviated because we allowed them to.
For me it begins with Catechesis. Every lapsed and former Catholic I know is the product of poor catechesis. Each of us has far more long term impact than we realize. Every wayward priest, bishop or Church official began their journey with the Catechism and at the feet of a volunteer. So did the saints and the pillars of our faith.
In his Catholicism series Fr. Barron recounts an exchange between Hans Kung and Henri de Lubac during Vatican II. As the two theologians were walking to a council session, Kung shared his frustrations with the institutional church. They approached the steps of St. Peters, de Lubac turned to Kung and said, But she is still our mother. Barron concludes: We cant treat her as take it or leave it
. No, the church is the place where we find the fullness of life, and that always has to be emphasized.
It's not just a problem with "the HHS mandate." It's certainly not just a matter of "Church institutions." And it's double-dog definitely just about "contraception." The larger filthy tyranny --- Obamacare itself --- has to be taken down completely.
We live in interesting times.
you may well be the finest mind on FRepublic. You are always this good.
Sounds like a plan. Have you communicated this to Card. Dolan? Seriously.
I'll still pass on your recommendations.
This stuff infuriates me to no end, and I am not a practicing Catholic- far from it. I do wonder though, what the US Bishops were thinking when they supported Obamacare in the first place.
I find it ironic that the Catholic Church as an institution has supported so much of what Obama stands for. Now they are experiencing the same lying cheating, stealing, corrupt behavior the rest of us forsaw before Obama started squatting in the Whitehouse.
If your relatives have the energy and dedication I would encourage them to pursue the diaconate. Being ordained and working in service to the diocese and the bishop and not the specific parish or priest, they can resist a lot of nonsense and facilitate a lot of good.
Peace be to you.
I have seen that a few bad apples with sharp elbows can seem to intimidate and dominate parishes and eventually ruin parishes.
Good point. I'll ask them about that. They know I'm Protestant so they don't get into particulars.
Peace be to you.
And to you and yours also.
That's a shame, because they're playing into the Marxists' --and the devil's-- hands.
The Sacraments are a certain source of grace, regardless of the priest's sinfulness. Orthodox people are needed in the Church. Otherwise, the situation becomes more difficult for those that remain.