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Study Claims People of Faith Are Stingy
The Christian Diarist ^ | May 2, 2012 | JP

Posted on 05/02/2012 2:04:15 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Hardly a week passes, it seems, without yet another “scientific” study disparaging people of faith.

This week’s study, ginned up by researchers at the University of California at Berkeley, dubiously concludes that the “highly religious” are less compassionate toward the needful than non-believers.

Published in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science, the study defines “compassion” as an emotion felt when people see the sufferings of others which then motivates them to help, often at personal risk or cost.

The study’s lead author, Laura Saslow, says she was inspired by an atheist friend who told her he donated to earthquake recovery efforts in Haiti after watching a video of a woman being rescued from the rubble.

“I was interested to find,” she said, “that this experience – an atheist being strongly influenced by his emotions to show generosity to strangers – was replicated in three large, systematic studies.”

Well, I have no doubt there are some non-believers, like Saslow’s atheist boy pal, who are so moved with compassion after watching videos of victims of earthquakes, tsunamis and other natural disasters, that they donate to recovery efforts.

But it is absurd for Saslow to suggest that people of faith, particularly the highly religious, are not similarly moved, if not more so.

To make such a claim, the Cal Berkeley researchers relied on three highly-questionable analyses.

In the first, they looked at data from a 2004 national survey of roughly 1,300 adults. They determined that those who agreed with such statements as “when I see someone being taken advantage of, I feel kind of protective of them” were more inclined to show generosity.

And extrapolating from the survey results, they figured that non-believers were likelier to be charitable in such ways as giving money or food to a homeless person than people of faith.

In the second analysis, 101 adults watched one of two videos. One was neutral. The other was heartrending, showing portraits of impoverished children. Next, the participants were each given a hypothetical $10 and directed to give any of it to a stranger.

Wouldn’t you know it? The least religious gave the most of their money.

The third of the “systematic” analyses on which Saslow’s based her putative scientific findings involved more than 200 college students who were asked to report how compassionate they felt at the moment. Then they played a game in which they were given hypothetical money to share – or not – with a stranger.

In one round, they were told that another person playing the game had given a portion of their money to them, which had since doubled in amount. They were free to reward them by giving back some of the money.

Once again, those who were deemed least-religious proved most generous.

Of course, there is a much better way than abstract surveys or videos or games to get a true-to-life measure of how compassionate the faith community is toward the needful – just examine the list of America’s largest charities.

Indeed, of the ten largest charities serving the least among us – the poor, the hungry, the sick, the homeless – nine of those were founded by people of faith. That includes such well-known charities as United Way, the American Red Cross, Goodwill Industries and Habitat for Humanity.

As to Haiti relief, which prompted Saslow to concoct her highly suspect study, faith-based charities made up three-quarters of the list of those receiving top ratings by CharityWatch, the respected watchdog organization, for their work on the ground in the earthquake-ravaged island nation to ease the suffering of its people.


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; charity; religion; science; study; vanity
Further proof that the scientific community is inherently biased against people of faith, particularly Christian evangelicals.
1 posted on 05/02/2012 2:04:21 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
That proves it! Joe Biden is the most highly religious person in the World based on his charitable donations over the past fifty years.
2 posted on 05/02/2012 2:06:56 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

This idiot conflates gullibleness and hand-outs t- which often cause more harm than good - o charity, while real charity involves giving to reputable organizations who provide actual goods and services.

In other words, she’s a clueless leftdolt...


3 posted on 05/02/2012 2:08:59 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

TOTAL GARBAGE. Having lived through the tornadoes here in Alabama last April, I can tell you 100% that one of the very first groups to respond and the last to leave were the local churches. Hundreds of people from our area churches worked thousands of hours aiding people, feeding people, assisting in rebuilding homes, providing the needs for people. Total garbage. People of faith around here know that we ain’t stingy! Stupid liberals. They are only NOT stingy with other people’s money!


4 posted on 05/02/2012 2:10:41 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (He has Risen!!! If you do not know Him, this is the perfect week to seek Him out!!!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

I think people see through these contrived agenda driven “studies” that have been coming out over the past year that slam people of faith and conservatives.


5 posted on 05/02/2012 2:11:13 PM PDT by Ham Hock
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

You may be sure that this is NOT science and the the DemonRATS and the MainSCREAM media are behind it.


6 posted on 05/02/2012 2:11:41 PM PDT by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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7 posted on 05/02/2012 2:12:17 PM PDT by Gone_Postal
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

In the studies they gave them hypothetical money to give away. That is what libtards do, give away other people’s money.

Do the real live money test from the tax returns and you will see the difference. What an idiotic study method!


8 posted on 05/02/2012 2:16:36 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

I must confess, I am more stingy than the godless freaks I run into; I have children to feed, while they have birthday parties for their pets...


9 posted on 05/02/2012 2:25:02 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Complete and utter bull shit! No, I won’t edit!


10 posted on 05/02/2012 2:26:17 PM PDT by poobear
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To: RetiredArmy
Stupid liberals. They are only NOT stingy with other people’s money!

What you said!

11 posted on 05/02/2012 2:28:35 PM PDT by Marathoner (At least Ann Romney won't tell us what to eat.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Well, just look at the charity the liberals give and decide for yourself. Liberals are the worst when it comes to help. They support a plantation to keep everyone.


12 posted on 05/02/2012 2:29:52 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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Yeah, I saw this and read it and in some ways it's actually true. Take a nonreligious person and ask them to rate how much their generosity depends on their compassion and how much depends on their religious beliefs and they are going to rate their generosity entirely on compassion because (here's the kicker) THEY DON'T HAVE A RELIGION. They're atheists! Duh!.
Of course they'll point out how the liberal/progressive gave more of the "hypothetical" $10 than the religious person. Yeah, if all it took to be charitable was to sit down at a computer and play SIM Charity and give all the Sim bucks away they'd be the most freakin' charitable group on the planet. But that's not reality.
13 posted on 05/02/2012 2:31:20 PM PDT by techcor (I hope Obama succeeds, in being a one term president.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

People of faith are a large majority of Americans.

Thus it is entirely expected that the majority of charity in America would be from (and often to) the religious.

The scientific community is inherently biased towards meaningful PROPORTIONAL analysis rather than a simple minded statement that most charitable giving in a nation that is majority Christian is from Christian people and to Christian founded organizations.

Do you understand proportionality?

If most people incarcerated are white - in a nation that is majority white - is that noteworthy?

Or is it more noteworthy that a population group that is some 12% of the population makes up over 30% of those that are incarcerated?


14 posted on 05/02/2012 2:31:51 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: RetiredArmy
Stupid liberals. They are only NOT stingy with other people’s money!
In the second analysis, 101 adults watched one of two videos. One was neutral. The other was heartrending, showing portraits of impoverished children. Next, the participants were each given a hypothetical $10 and directed to give any of it to a stranger.
So I guess the atheists were only hypothetically charitable.

15 posted on 05/02/2012 2:56:29 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Please note they were being charitable because they were asked how they would give away other people’s money, not their own.


16 posted on 05/02/2012 3:28:02 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

This is on the same level as the “studies” that show that all conservatives are less intelligent than liberals. It’s an agenda driven study to show what great people the people that did the study are and what rotten people those that they don’t like are. Kind of an expensive way to justify their “feelings” about us and nothing more. Our world is filled with nothing but junk science now days, global warming, save the whales, there are no differences between men and women, etc. It’s made the term “scientist” a joke.


17 posted on 05/02/2012 3:38:38 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Further proof that the scientific community is inherently biased against people of faith, particularly Christian evangelicals.

First: don't think this has anything to do with the "scientific community." The article called it a scientific survey, but it's nothing more than sociology hogwash. The only thing remotely resembling science was that the silly questions and biased premises were tabulated on a "scientific" calculator.

What you end up with is statistically-accurate meaninglessness.

18 posted on 05/02/2012 3:48:10 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

P.S. Sociologists like to flatter themselves that their “discipline” is a science. It’s neither.


19 posted on 05/02/2012 3:49:47 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Every study of IRS data shows that Christians are MUCH more generous than the secular population. Liberals are screwing around here.


20 posted on 05/02/2012 3:52:43 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
ROFL!! I know what an asinine study. In between smoking some weed She figured How a good study is figured.

Any real person knows people are only charitable with there own money is really involved not something given to be given any way.

21 posted on 05/02/2012 4:43:46 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Interesting.

So what was the sample? Who were these two groups, and what other factors came into play?

One of the reasons I no longer subscribe to many “science” publications is that the studies are often very poorly done.

22 posted on 05/02/2012 5:25:07 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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They determined that those who agreed with such statements as “when I see someone being taken advantage of, I feel kind of protective of them” were more inclined to show generosity.

Oh, brilliant!

When I see someone "being taken advantage of," I think, "Why didn't his parents teach him any common sense?" and then I donate to The Salvation Army or Baptist Relief, so as to do some real good for people genuinely in need.

23 posted on 05/02/2012 5:55:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you know why I love reptiles? It's because they don't play guitars or ukuleles.)
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People have posted studies here that show religious people give far more than non religious people.


24 posted on 05/02/2012 7:22:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: allmendream

Okay. People of faith are a large majority and, therefore, should be expected for much of the nation’s charitable giving.

So name me just one atheist-based charity that provides material suppprt to the poor, the hungry, the sick, the homeless.


25 posted on 05/02/2012 7:41:27 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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Yeah, that I don’t give money to some bum who insists on holding the Post Office door for me as opposed to a quadriplegic who works for herself.


26 posted on 05/02/2012 11:54:10 PM PDT by onedoug
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So name me just one atheist-based charity that provides material suppprt to the poor, the hungry, the sick, the homeless.
Leftists’ “charity” (recalling that “charity” means love) is the Federal Government. And “giving” to that charity by leftists consists of advocating government taking property in the form of taxation, paying its debts in watered down money, or regulatory subverting of the value of property ownership.
Not in their own voluntary giving, and not even in paying taxes themselves. They are not even scandalized by tax cheats, as long as they are leftist tax cheats.

27 posted on 05/03/2012 3:53:57 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: piytar
I guess they could just film who stops and gives the corner bum some money...you know the guy.."I'll work for food" sign holder...

that would be about as equal a study as this jack asses...

28 posted on 05/03/2012 3:58:42 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Jim from C-Town

I have no doubt that people like this woman have no idea of the vast numbers and varieties of charitable giving people do everyday.

IMHO, just paying the cost of sending your child to a private school is a form of charity (or at least “other-centered” giving). Any mothers who homeschool are also included in this (plus the dads who allow their wives to stay at home to home school).

Food shelves, free lunches, worn-a—bit-stores like St. Vincent de Paul’s, Women’s Guilds, and Salvation Army come to mind.

Giving to support a church is also a form of charitable givng - but athiests will not understand this either.

The argument is as silly as the other liberal claim that Tea Party members are racists.


29 posted on 05/03/2012 8:16:45 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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