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Eyes of Guadalupe Image Hold Pro-Family Message, Expert Says
EWTN News ^ | 8/29/12

Posted on 08/30/2012 6:48:01 AM PDT by marshmallow

A Peruvian expert who has been studying the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico for 34 years, says the microscopic figures that appear in her eyes hold a powerful pro-life and pro-family message.

Jose Aste Tonsmann said the tiny images in the eyes include an entire Aztec family and are a sign from the Mother of God about the importance of life and the family at a time when both are under attack worldwide.

During a conference at the Theatrical and Social Cultural Institute in Lima, Tonsmann said a total of 13 figures can be seen in the eyes of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

The six figures that can be seen in area of the cornea are of an Indian who seated, an elderly man believed to be Bishop Juan de Zumarraga, his translator, Juan Gonzalez, St. Juan Diego, a black woman who may have been the bishop’s housekeeper and who was granted her freedom before his death, and a bearded man of European descent.

Tonsmann said the other seven figures that appear right in the center of Mary’s gaze appear to be “an Indian family.”

The young woman in center of the group looking down is the mother. At her side is the father who is wearing a hat and between them are their three children.

The other two figures appear to be an elderly couple and may be the grandparents. They are standing behind the others, and the elderly man is the only figure that appears just in the right eye.

Tonsmann said the diverse group of people that appear in Our Lady of Guadalupe’s eyes convey “a message against racism, something that is increasingly worse in today’s world.”

It is not a coincidence, he added, that only today’s technology has allowed the tiny images to.....

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1 posted on 08/30/2012 6:48:02 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Of course.....this is one heck of an impressive miracle of the blessed mother...


2 posted on 08/30/2012 6:51:53 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: marshmallow

Would be interesting if the actual image were posted. Also a lot more believable, since the technology to “fake” such an image was unavailable at the time. Sounds like it wouldn’t be easy today.


3 posted on 08/30/2012 6:54:10 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

4 posted on 08/30/2012 6:55:28 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: raygunfan

I was hoping there would be a picture. But I guess it would be hard to see.


5 posted on 08/30/2012 6:55:56 AM PDT by defconw (IT'S ON NOW! ROMNEY/RYAN 2012)
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To: defconw
Meanwhile, back in New Orleans...

6 posted on 08/30/2012 6:57:11 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: evets

Just as believable.


7 posted on 08/30/2012 7:01:00 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: evets

Yes. I can see the face in that window! Interesting.


8 posted on 08/30/2012 7:03:01 AM PDT by Twinkie (Obamanation - where everything is free; but US!)
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To: evets

LOL!


9 posted on 08/30/2012 7:03:03 AM PDT by defconw (IT'S ON NOW! ROMNEY/RYAN 2012)
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To: marshmallow
Jose Aste Tonsmann said the tiny images in the eyes include an entire Aztec family and are a sign from the Mother of God about the importance of life and the family at a time when both are under attack worldwide.

Wouldn't it be a sign at the time when the apparition occurred and the image was presented?

Not that God couldn't look ahead and say, "Someday, people are going to be so messed up that they're going to need a direct supernatural sign to help them recognize the value of natural family formation," and set it up centuries in advance.

Could there be anyone who would learn of this analysis and say, "Wow, it never occurred to me that families of children, parents, and grandparents would be something God considered positive! This changes everything!"?

10 posted on 08/30/2012 7:06:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Now a hit television series starring Judi Dench!)
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To: marshmallow
A Peruvian expert who has been studying the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico for 34 years,

34 years spent on something with all the informational significance of a "picture" of Jesus on a piece of toast?


11 posted on 08/30/2012 7:21:18 AM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: marshmallow

Better picture of Her eyes here:

http://www.examiner.com/article/our-lady-of-guadalupe-completely-beyond-scientific-explanation

1. Juan Diego unfolding his tilma & wearing a native hat of the period

2. Bishop Zumarraga, staring at the tilma

3. An Aztec servant of the bishop sitting in the style of an Indian

4. A Spaniard of the bishop’s staff

5. A Spaniard who learned the indigenoous language & served as the bishop’s translator

6. A black African female servant girl — documentary evidence shows in fact, that the bishop did have an African female servant.

7. Seven members of an indigenous family — a mother carrying a baby on her back, a father, a grandmother and grandfather, and two young children.


12 posted on 08/30/2012 7:29:04 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: marshmallow

Ping


13 posted on 08/30/2012 7:35:31 AM PDT by Paratrooper
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To: marshmallow

With billions of people being murdered, starved, aborted and corrupted as a result of hate, crime, tyranny, oppression, abortion and liberalism, I find it hard to believe that God would ignore those things and spend his time burning an image of Jesus into a tortilla.


14 posted on 08/30/2012 7:39:50 AM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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With billions of people being murdered, starved, aborted and corrupted as a result of hate, crime, tyranny, oppression, abortion and liberalism, I find it hard to believe that God would ignore those things and spend his time burning an image of Jesus into a tortilla.

With billions of people being murdered, starved, aborted and corrupted as a result of hate, crime, tyranny, oppression, abortion and liberalism, I find it hard to believe that Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh would ignore those things and spend his time hijacking a Catholic thread.

15 posted on 08/30/2012 7:54:51 AM PDT by pegleg (Lies will seek you out, but the truth must be sought.)
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To: marshmallow

Seems like apophenia to me. Plus, the “enhanced”, retouched images are worthless as evidence. The JFK conspiracists do the same kinds of thing and find “images” of shooters on the grassy knoll.


16 posted on 08/30/2012 7:57:16 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Sherman Logan
This has been proved before and links posted.

Science & the Virgin of Guadalupe [Catholic Caucus]
Mary, Mother of Life: Our Lady of Guadalupe (Catholic or Pro-Life Caucus)
Our Lady of Guadalupe - A Mother for us all
A WOMAN AND A DRAGON (Catholic Caucus)
The History of Our Lady of Guadalupe [Catholic Caucus]
Guadalupe: A Living Image (EWTN - Sunday, Sep. 26 at 10 pm) [Catholic Caucus]

Remembering Our Lady of Guadalupe
Catholic Caucus: Our Lady of Guadalupe: She Who Smashes the Serpent
Infamous Hollywood Screenwriter to Pen Film on Our Lady of Guadalupe - Patroness of the Unborn
"Basic Instinct" scribe Eszterhas eyes virgin
Our Lady of Guadalupe ‘completely beyond' scientific explanation, says researcher
Knights of Columbus Congress, Festival for Our Lady of Guadalupe (Catholic Caucus)
The (Miraculous) Image of Our Lady of Guadalupe [Catholic Caucus]
Remembering Our Lady of Guadalupe [Catholic Caucus]
Our Lady of Guadalupe Feast: December 12 [Repost]
Brief History of the Apparitions of Our Lady of Guadalupe [Catholic Caucus]

The History of Our Lady of Guadalupe [Ecumenical]
2 Questions related to Faith & Apologetics. A Feast day & Our Lady of Guadalupe [Catholic Caucus]
The Image of Our Lady of Guadalupe
Our Lady of Guadalupe called 'Mother Without Borders' in Los Angeles (Catholic Caucus)
Hernándo Cortés and Our Lady
Our Lady of Guadalupe, Patroness of the Church Militant (Catholic Caucus)
Scientists certify Our Lady of Guadalupe tilma
STRANGE LIGHT CLAIMED IN GUADALUPE IMAGE AFTER MEXICO CITY OKAYED ABORTION
STRANGE LIGHT CLAIMED IN GUADALUPE IMAGE AFTER MEXICO CITY OKAYED ABORTION -- posted on News Forum
The Story of Guadalupe: Hope for Our Violent World

Our Lady of Guadalupe: Protectress of the Unborn
Was Our Lady of Guadalupe Wrong?
METHODIST CHURCH DISPLAYS VIRGIN OF GUADALUPE
GUADALUPE DEVOTION IS CROSSING INTO PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS
A Novena to Our Lady of Guadalupe
Relic From Guadalupe Tilma to Tour U.S.
The Amazing Truth of Our Lady of Guadalupe
Our Lady Of Guadalupe
Celebrating 470 years of an ongoing miracle, the apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe 1531
Science Stunned by Virgin of Guadalupe´s Eyes

17 posted on 08/30/2012 8:19:46 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Boogieman

Tell that to Jesus at the moment of your death. Don’t you realize what you are doing in dissing the Mother of God?


18 posted on 08/30/2012 8:22:48 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: pegleg

Touché. Point well taken


19 posted on 08/30/2012 10:10:51 AM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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To: Salvation

“Don’t you realize what you are doing in dissing the Mother of God?”

Oh sure, anyone who is skeptical of claims of seeing things in an “enhanced” image, is “dissing the Mother of God”. Get off your high horse. The only ones I am “dissing” are hucksters peddling this to an uncritical audience.


20 posted on 08/30/2012 11:33:01 AM PDT by Boogieman
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