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Five big questions about the 'Jesus' wife' papyrus
Houston Chronicale ^ | Thursday, September 20, 2012 | Alessandro Speciale

Posted on 09/20/2012 6:02:24 PM PDT by count-your-change

In a surprise announcement that seemed scripted by novelist Dan Brown, a Harvard professor revealed an ancient scrap of papyrus on Tuesday that refers to Jesus' wife. The so-called "Gospel of Jesus' Wife" presents a dialogue between Jesus and his disciples, said Karen King, a respected historian of early Christianity at Harvard Divinity School.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: History; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: ancienttexts; epigraphyandlanguage; faithandphilosophy; gnostics; godsgravesglyphs; gospelofjesuswife; gospelofjohn; hewasarabbi; jamescameron; jamesossuary; jesustomb; johnchapter2; karenking; letshavejerusalem; losttombofjesus; mariame; mariamne; marriageatcana; marymagdalene; rabbismarry; sectarianturmoil; simchajacobovici; talpiot; talpiottomb; weddingatcana
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You'll have to go to the article for the 5 questions. One should have been why a tiny fragment from possibly the 4th. Cen. would be puffed up into a "Gospel of Jesus' Wife" when it is no such thing.

King seems anxious to turn a few lines of unknown origin into new insights into early Christian belief, etc., etc.

"www.christianpost.com/.../the-gospel-of-jesus-wife-ancient-fragment" gives a few more details.

1 posted on 09/20/2012 6:02:28 PM PDT by count-your-change
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To: count-your-change

link doesn’t work


2 posted on 09/20/2012 6:04:27 PM PDT by dinoparty
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To: count-your-change

Linkie no workie.


3 posted on 09/20/2012 6:05:31 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: count-your-change

Why do we need this fragment to tell us this? There are numerous references to the bride of Jesus in the accepted NT.


4 posted on 09/20/2012 6:06:27 PM PDT by dinoparty
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To: count-your-change

http://www.chron.com/life/houston-belief/article/Five-big-questions-about-the-Jesus-wife-papyrus-3881424.php


5 posted on 09/20/2012 6:07:27 PM PDT by Lonely Bull
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To: count-your-change

a 4th century parchment in coptic is highly questionable.

if it were a 1st century parchment in Hebrew/aramaic, maybe


6 posted on 09/20/2012 6:07:38 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: count-your-change

There is no evidence that Jesus had a wife.

There is most likely no evidence that he did not have a wife.

One would think that the apostles would speak of Jesus’ wife in later writings after Jesus had been executed. Yet there is no mention of a wife.

Teh only mention of this is from that crackpot Dan Brown.


7 posted on 09/20/2012 6:10:04 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: hecht

Paul said his preference was that Christians remain single so that they could devote themselves to the issue at hand (spreading the gospel and serving the Lord Jesus). How much MORE focused would Christ, Himself, be about his mission? He did not come here to live a carnal life...he came to “seek and to save those who are lost.” He came to die, and He knew that.


8 posted on 09/20/2012 6:12:21 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: count-your-change
" You'll have to go to the article for the 5 questions. One should have been why a tiny fragment from possibly the 4th. Cen. would be puffed up into a "Gospel of Jesus' Wife" when it is no such thing.

King seems anxious to turn a few lines of unknown origin into new insights into early Christian belief, etc., etc. "

No worries, Andria Mitchell " authenticated the unknown sources " .. sarcasm
9 posted on 09/20/2012 6:12:52 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: count-your-change

She is one of those people trying to discredit Christianity, so this should violate those blasphemy laws Obama wants.


10 posted on 09/20/2012 6:13:07 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Lonely Bull

Thank you. The link I had didn’t work and yours does. Thanks!


11 posted on 09/20/2012 6:14:14 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

If it’s true, then some of us here could be his descendants!


12 posted on 09/20/2012 6:14:23 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: dinoparty

Imagine 1500 years from now someone gets their hands on a few pages of the script for “Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter” and it starts a big controversy that he was a vampire hunter.

i.e. this whole thing is quite literally laughable.


13 posted on 09/20/2012 6:15:09 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Revolting cat!

I know...now. Please see
http://www.chron.com/life/houston-belief/article/Five-big-questions-about-the-Jesus-wife-papyrus-3881424.php

Someone took mercy upon my fumbling, #5.


14 posted on 09/20/2012 6:16:41 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Ouderkirk

The quest to bring in the agenda that Jesus Christ had a wife is to try and destroy the the fact that he was GOD in the flesh, to marginalize his deity... it’s the spirit of the anti-Christ at work.


15 posted on 09/20/2012 6:17:36 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: count-your-change
The rest of the sentence is cut off.

That's just too convenient, Dear Watson.

16 posted on 09/20/2012 6:18:18 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: count-your-change
No Christian worth his/her salt believes that Christ had a flesh wife. There is great distinction in the Written word between what the Creator and His Only Begotten Son said and what other supernatural and flesh beings had to say. Why even the devil in his supernatural body tempted Christ and offered him alll IF Christ would bend His knee to the devil. Maybe Harvard is gearing up to declare the devil ‘god’ given what the devil is said to have said.
17 posted on 09/20/2012 6:22:38 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: count-your-change

If only there were this much attention paid to Obama’s BC.


18 posted on 09/20/2012 6:22:51 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: dinoparty

“Why do we need this fragment to tell us this? There are numerous references to the bride of Jesus in the accepted NT.”

Well, yes, there are! However, The Bride of Christ as mentioned in the NT is his church.


19 posted on 09/20/2012 6:23:20 PM PDT by ChoobacKY
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To: count-your-change
It is my understanding that there may have been 20 people named Jesus when Christ was alive. Many claimed to be the Messiah. A fragment written about the time of Muhammad removes much viability. Coptic's have other questionable writings.
20 posted on 09/20/2012 6:24:12 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

“authenticated”? I suppose that was from her deep knowledge of the subject.

I smell a book deal somewhere in all of this, maybe another movie by Brown.


21 posted on 09/20/2012 6:25:21 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: dinoparty

The Bride of Christ is the Church. Not any human.


22 posted on 09/20/2012 6:25:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: count-your-change

***King seems anxious to turn a few lines of unknown origin into new insights into early Christian belief, etc., etc. ****

Yawn. Much like they tried to foist off on us the SECRET GOSPEL OF MARK and the Gospel of Thomas.


23 posted on 09/20/2012 6:26:42 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: ChoobacKY

You are right.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2934146/posts?page=22#22


24 posted on 09/20/2012 6:27:26 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: count-your-change

I’ll pass until a brave scholar finds evidence that Mohammed took a 9 year child bride.


25 posted on 09/20/2012 6:29:39 PM PDT by AU72
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To: ChoobacKY

Yes I know. I’m suggesting there is no reason to think this meant anything different.


26 posted on 09/20/2012 6:30:33 PM PDT by dinoparty
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To: dinoparty

But Professors of Divinity get bored by accepted books of the NT. Those books are available to anyone at low/no cost and just don’t grab headlines.

But find something mysterious and secretive that can be blown up into a “Gospel”, well...that’s something!


27 posted on 09/20/2012 6:32:49 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

This is where I figured out she was clueless:

King speculates that the fragment may have been tossed in an ancient garbage heap by someone who objected to the idea of Jesus being married. Early Christians fiercely debated celibacy and marriage

With a little research she would have realized that Peter, the first pope, and the apostles that Jesus chose were, for the most part, married men.


28 posted on 09/20/2012 6:35:35 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: count-your-change

This is where I figured out she was clueless:

King speculates that the fragment may have been tossed in an ancient garbage heap by someone who objected to the idea of Jesus being married. Early Christians fiercely debated celibacy and marriage

With a little research she would have realized that Peter, the first pope, and the apostles that Jesus chose were, for the most part, married men.


29 posted on 09/20/2012 6:35:55 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: freepertoo
Paul said his preference was that Christians remain single so that they could devote themselves to the issue at hand (spreading the gospel and serving the Lord Jesus). How much MORE focused would Christ, Himself, be about his mission? He did not come here to live a carnal life...he came to “seek and to save those who are lost.” He came to die, and He knew that.

True; however, it is not inconsistent with the thought that Jesus was indeed human. (And that is an important point in Christianity, that God became a man in order to save the race of man.)

So, in the long run... it's really irrelevant if he had a wife or not.

30 posted on 09/20/2012 6:36:53 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Dan Brown is hunting for them.

Fragments of ancient papyrus have a value and are interesting in themselves, even this one. But to claim the history of early Christianity will now have to be revised is nonsense.


31 posted on 09/20/2012 6:40:00 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: marstegreg
A little bit of scholarly restraint would be called for.
32 posted on 09/20/2012 6:46:15 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
The quest to bring in the agenda that Jesus Christ had a wife is to try and destroy the the fact that he was GOD in the flesh, to marginalize his deity... it’s the spirit of the anti-Christ at work.

You know, I'm going to have to disagree; that he had a wife would only confirm that he was indeed fully human... which has been what Christianity has always claimed: that Jesus is both God and man, perfectly bridging the gap and therefore the perfect High Priest.

Besides, the spirit of the anti-christ is defined in 1 John:

1 John 4:3 [KJV]
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
A little convoluted, but still understandable: the spirits which aren't from God are those spirits which do not confess to Jesus having come in the flesh.
33 posted on 09/20/2012 6:46:29 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: AU72

Careful..a riot may be headed to your neighborhood. You haven’t been drawing cartoons, have you?


34 posted on 09/20/2012 6:53:14 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: dinoparty

No, Jesus was not married.


35 posted on 09/20/2012 7:00:01 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Revolting cat!

You’re not suggesting....No......Surely not.


36 posted on 09/20/2012 7:05:28 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution. Thanks count-your-change.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


37 posted on 09/20/2012 7:12:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: count-your-change

Quick and easy response. Answers to the five questions:

1. No one has any idea. Therefore it is most likely to be a fake, whether faked long ago or more recently.

2. No.

3. Nothing.

4. No.

5. Who knows. It doesn’t matter.

See, that was easy.


38 posted on 09/20/2012 7:26:58 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: SunkenCiv
A lot of weirdness came out of Egypt in the Third and Fourth Centuries, Gnostic's for example.
39 posted on 09/20/2012 7:27:13 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Belteshazzar

I have a feeling it will quietly be tucked away when it becomes apparent that it’s worthless.


40 posted on 09/20/2012 7:37:36 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: freepertoo

He did not come here to live a carnal life...
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First, no one now knows if Christ was married or not.

Christ came to fulfill the law, one law was that a man marry. Jesus was called Rabbi. Although there are some examples today where a man might be an un-married rabbi but it would be rare, in the time of Christ ALL rabbis were married.

There have always been legends of Christ having children and them being carried off to southern France for their safety.

I would wonder why if Christ was married that from the cross He did not make an allowance for someone to take care of His wife and/or family, after all he did that for His mother and His mother had other sons and likely daughters to take care of her.

We don’t know and likely will never know, but, what difference does it make? With the exception of Paul the other Apostles had families.

Celibacy was not popular in The Church for nearly a thousand years


41 posted on 09/20/2012 7:38:20 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: count-your-change

I’m thinking you stand a very good chance of being right.

When they are done with it, it could be stored in the ossuary discovered a few years ago whose inscription said that it contained the bone of “Jesus, son of Joseph.” (That would be like saying, “John Smith,” today.) Both could be conveniently filed in the same place Indy’s ark of the covenant was at the end of the first Indiana Jones movie or an equally accessible place.

The press has way, way too much time on their hands.


42 posted on 09/20/2012 7:44:32 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: freepertoo; hecht

Read the Book of Jeremiah, it contains some information related to this.

“Then the word of the Lord came to me: “You must not marry and have sons or daughters in this place.”

Jer. 16:1,2


43 posted on 09/20/2012 8:01:39 PM PDT by thecodont
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First, no one now knows if Christ was married or not.............

This is not a true statement. Christ was God with us in a flesh body. God created all souls, His children. It is likened to 'incest' for God in a flesh body to marry one of His children.

Furthermore, where in all of the Written Word, did God or Christ refer or call Christ 'rabbi'? There is great distinction in who does the talking.

44 posted on 09/20/2012 8:04:51 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: marstegreg
Yeah--wasn't the celibacy of priests a late (12th century or so) development in the Church?

And from what I understand about persecution during the time of Paul's writings, NOT getting married and having a family would be good advice on a practical, as well as "religious", level.

45 posted on 09/20/2012 8:13:46 PM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement.)
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To: count-your-change

Now if the parchment just showed Jesus’ wife to be a guy...why..we’d be on to something.


46 posted on 09/20/2012 8:21:31 PM PDT by stevem
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To: count-your-change

Ephesians 5:25-27 ESV

Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.


47 posted on 09/20/2012 8:35:05 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: stevem
Who knows what further deep analysis of the 33 words on the fragment may reveal. Speculation is a hot air balloon, the more hot air the higher it goes and these few lines have already been turned into a “Gospel”.
48 posted on 09/20/2012 8:40:16 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Belteshazzar

Everyone knows the Ark is in Ethiopia, it was on the Discovery Channel or something. Of course we’ll just have to take some guys word for that since he wasn’t giving tours.


49 posted on 09/20/2012 8:46:28 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Ouderkirk

I,m far from being an expert in such matters but I would think, in the traditions of Hebrew culture in the 1st. century a.d that Jesus would have had a wife or certainly one chosen for him. Perhaps the Gospel writers felt she wasn’t important enough to be mentioned.


50 posted on 09/20/2012 8:54:33 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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