Posted on 12/10/2012 7:45:16 PM PST by ReformationFan
Christians are sometimes challenged as to why we so strongly oppose the normalization of homosexual behavior. After all, there are worse sins — and more imminent threats to national security.
Before I begin my answer, as I try to say whenever I write about this topic, the biblical view concerns homosexual acts — not homosexual people. The current paradigm that some are "born gay" seems to be less empirical than political. It's a weapon used to stifle discussion by intentionally confusing disapproval of a practice with hatred for a person. But even if people are born attracted to the same sex, they're still people. They are free moral agents having control of their urges. The ethical question stands.
So here's how many Christians think about this, and why we're so upset about the cultural slide toward acceptance of homosexual acts. In his letter to the Romans, Paul begins his "good news" by describing the quicksand of paganism:
... they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the
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I understand your points and appreciate your respectful comments. Some of the behavior in the gay community is harmful and dangerous, leaving the religious implications aside. I would imagine that the same gratuitous and reckless hetrosexual behavior is equally harmful.
I know a few gay individuals and a few couples. I can’t speak to how all of them behave but my neighbors are a gay couple. My wife and I have spent time with them, they are generous, church-goesers, fairly conservative, and seem to honor and respect each other. Its very difficult for to find fault with them, let alone not recognize that at every chance they get, they seem to be doing God’s work.
I think we need less fire and brimstone on this issue and more compassion. Alcoholism and drug addiction are without question harmful to our culture and yet we find great compassion for its suffers, I think that same logical should be applied.
I agree 100% and at one time it was. What a shame that liberals changed that.
Being homosexual is not the same as doing homosexual. We all have temptations, the giving in to which would be a sin, the resisting of which is a blessing.
Why does this number keep increasing? Just last week people were claiming it was 3%. If this keeps up, we’ll be where the gay agenda always claims we were: 10 to 25%!
Christians are sometimes challenged as to why we so strongly oppose the normalization of homosexual behavior. After all, there are worse sins
No there isn’t.
God does not rate sin. Sin is sin. It is wrong. It has a cost. It has a cure.
Cvengr was simply listing the sins as found in the Bible that separate a person from God...he was not accusing or judging any one person of such, nor was he judging you. I’m sure Cvengr doesn’t walk on water.
My greatest objection to the homosexual agenda is its blatant attempt to normalize deviancy. If the Left can succeed in mainstreaming behavior as repugnant as homosexuality, then they become the arbiters of our morality, and indeed the authors of objectivity. If they so choose, they can define “up” as “down” and there’s nothing to be done about it.
Having once gained that power, they have effectively erased any absolute morality and supplanted natural law (and often, common sense) with their chimeric “values.”
Nobody is trying normalize alcoholism and drug addiction as perfectly acceptable alternative lifestyles which we should encourage and celebrate. And it's not compassion to indulge a lifestye which the Bible says will keep a person out of heaven. Nor is it compassion to set an example that one can pick and choose for themselves which precepts of God to accept and which to discard all depending on one's own personal preference just so long as in the process they remain convinced they are basically a "good person".
Do you walk on water and feed the hungry whilst pronouncing and judging? That is one heck of a list of sins and sinners you made there! Jesus watches you, too.
What you mean is “don’t condemn.” Condemning is what God does with souls when they meet Him. It’s not okay to tell yourself or someone else YOU condemn them to hell or heaven. Christians should not condemn. However, judgement - discernment - is central to a life of a Christian. The Bible is our roadmap.
I judge theft to be a sin - every day for everyone. I am a liar if I say I condemn a theif’s soul to heaven or hell. I work self examination (judgement), repentance and forgiveness as Jesus guided every day and in every way I can understand. The better I do it, the less mess I make of life and love.
The slogan “don’t judge” has come from the homos sex sin activists and the adulterers in churches who are condemning you for knowing good from evil and expressing it. They want you to shut up while they announce sexual sin is fine and dandy - without consequence both physically and heavenly. They are liars.
“Don’t judge!” is a tool to end conversation and permit sodomy to be named lovely as demanded. They want you to be indifferent to sin and even build a ceremony on the altar in church to celebrate sin (sodomy) and that is not what you are supposed to do as a Christian, in my understanding. I won’t be in a church or a religion that builds alters to sin. It won’t stop there and if you read homo doctrines you would know there is a reason they are yapping at other people’s children about porn and homo sex behavior in every school they can.
As the churches collapse to homo demands and intimidation, they are no longer Christian. I would have been burned at the stake as a Roman because I won’t worship Ceasar and his proclamations of good and evil. I’m sticking with Jesus as best I can. : )
Judgement is another word for Truth’s discernment. Homo activists don’t like discernment because sexual sin is exposed. They want Christians to make an altar to sexual sin in the church and just worship it as ordered. I think we might be in Rome. : )
I understand your points and appreciate your respectful comments. Some of the behavior in the gay community is harmful and dangerous, leaving the religious implications aside. I would imagine that the same gratuitous and reckless hetrosexual behavior is equally harmful.
Look at the economic and social caranage of single parenthood and then realize that communists promote sexual sin for a political reason. They do not mind breaking eggs on the way to Utopia.
They do use this argument but the come back is that a man and a woman has the potential to have offsprings. Most couples do not know one is infertile until they have tried to have a child.
Two men in a relationship=zero potential, same for two women.
Some women over child bearing age have had children so the potential is there.
There is no potential for same sex couples they always have to adopt or use surrogates or sperm donors.
But alcoholics and drug addicts seldom band together seeking your subjection.
Neither do they seek to infiltrate centers of learning and other venues where your children are gathered that they might indoctrinate and prey upon their flesh and souls.
No one is trying to normalize drug addiction??? Really?? Explain then how pot is becoming legal??
So what? Booze has been legal since the end of prohibition but that doesn't mean we are trying to normalize alcohol addiction as just another acceptable lifestyle to be respected and celebrated. Try again Sport.
“Don’t judge!” is a tool to end conversation and permit sodomy to be named lovely as demanded.
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I totally agree with you and thanks for responding. I should have used the word condemn. It just seemed like preaching to the choir so to speak when listing all the sins and sinners by the OP.
Sorry “Sport”.... not buying that BS... pot alter’s the state of mind... if you’re needing to do that on a regular basis, and obviously some do, otherwise they wouldn’t be pushing to make it legal; but needing to do it on a regular basis means something is WRONG with you... you’re self-medicating, altering your statement of mind to escape.... weed is a gateway drug.... its bad enough those from the pot-smoking 60’s have f#%cked this country enough... we don’t need another generation of stoners making it worse.... 1 drug addict and 1 liberal do harm to this nation than any 100 gays or lesbians. The liberals are absolutely trying to NORMALIZE drug use....bank on it.
Booze alters the state of mind and nothing you said about pot wouldn’t also apply even more for alcohol. Alcohol and pot are both drugs and nobody is for accepting chronic addiction to either as just another appropriate lifestyle to be applauded as they are the homos.
JouleZ, please understand that it is very good to “preach to the choir” in public on these arguments. Otherwise, you will not be heard. Thank you. And, God bless you.
This is an excellent point. Repeatedly in scripture God talks about how our sin having consequences toward our environment. I vaguely recall a specific case where God was so angry with the sin of the people that He cast them into exile just so the land could have rest from their wickedness. This is God's pastorial care for His creation and our reckless abuse of nature. Though they knew God, they did not honor Him. We honor Him by respecting His creation and how He made us.
Today we live in a world where there is no where to go from homosexuality. Not only is homosexuality and sexual immorality spreading in the US, but it is very prominent in just about every country in the world. This is far different than the Roman Empire where there were places to go. Today the land cannot rest from our wickedness.
But the land will have rest soon. God will act as He frequently done in the past. Time is coming to a close. Homosexuality is the dead canary in the mine.
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