Southern Baptist Convention lists churches with Women Pastors (vanity)

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[wonkowasright]

It appears that there are multiple churches currently affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention located Virginia that are either led by women pastors, or co-led by women pastors. Is the SBC now departing from its formal opposition and starting to quietly tolerate female pastors to avoid a decline in the number of congregations/members ? Virginias BGAV is unique in how it lists who leads the various churches so its not clear if this is unique to Virginia or is a growing phenomena in other states.

My understanding of Virginia Baptist is that there are two statewide bodies both affiliated with the national Southern Baptist Convention, Baptist General Association of Virginia (BGAV) and Southern Baptist Conservatives of Virginia (SBCV). These churches and who leads them came from the information on the BGAV and SBC websites as of a couple weeks ago. As with all data it may be changed after that point, may have been inaccurate at the time the list was compiled etc. There may very well be errors in this data. That said the great majority of these are currently listed as churches affiliated with the SBC on the SBC's own official website, as well as on the BGAV website. These are likely being counted in the "total congregations" and "members" data that the SBC is publishing.

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Rev. Jane T. Lyon, Antioch Baptist Church, Red Oak, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=08001
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=8101-23964


(?) Rev. Kelly A. Lane, Bridgewater Baptist Church, Bridgewater, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=04001
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=2456-22812


Senior Pastor : Rev. Donna H. Britt, Calvary Baptist, Roanoke, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=38007
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=9237-24016


Co Pastor Rev. Angeline Gullins, Calvary Revival Church, Richmond, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=45065
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=2011022015


Multi-Site Campus Pastor: Mrs. Donna Brooks, Coastal Community Church-Corporate Landing Campus, Virginia Beach, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=2808401
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=0000-23452


Senior Pastor : Rev. Lisa Hawkins, Convergence: A Creative Community of Faith, Alexandria, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=23021
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=6260-22302


Co-Pastor: Rev. Colleen Swingle-Titus, Crozet Baptist Church, Crozet, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=02012
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=5171-22932


(?)Rev. Jody Breeding, Garden Baptist Church, Oakwood, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=26011
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=3233-24631


Senior Pastor: Dr. Elizabeth P. Mills, Grace Baptist Church, Richmond, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=37015
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=0134-23221


Senior Pastor: Rev. Pamela Chisholm, Greenbrier Baptist Church, Arlington, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=23028
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=6688-22204


Senior Pastor: Rev. Kathy Shereda, High Hills Baptist Church, Jarratt, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=30019
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=8688-23867


Senior Pastor: Rev. Kathy P. Nicholls, Inglewood Baptist Church, Lynchburg, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=20009
[NO SBC LINK LISTED]


Senior Pastor: Dr. Rebecca Gunter, Lakesie Baptist Church, Henrico, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=37019
[NO SBC LINK LISTED]


Senior Pastor: Rev. Stacy Vanover, Maple Grove Baptist Church, Coeburn, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=44009
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=557-24230


Senior Pastor: Rev. Jillian M. Andrzejewki, Mooreland Baptist Church, North Garden, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=02024
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=3882-22959


http://mbc.avenue.org/pastor.htm [Mooreland Baptist Church] website states
During Jillian's time at Chamberlayne Baptist Church she experienced all parts of ministry: administration, pastoral care, preaching, leading meetings, and planning worship. She has also taught children's classes and Adult Bible study. She has seen Chamberlayne undergo a visioning process. She also did her internship for seminary there.
She was ordained at Chamberlayne in May of 2010.[NOTE: Chamberlayne isn't in this list but is an SBC church so there are more than just the churches in this list]


Co-Pastor: Rev. Lois Paige, New Canaan Baptist Church, Richmond, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=37087
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=2004051566


Co-Pastor: Jessica Williams, Nomini Baptist Church, Montross, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=36024
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=8429-22520


Multi-Site Campus Pastor: Rev. Angie Frame, Powhatan Community Church - Virtual Campus, Powhatan, VA [Church Website says "Online Campus Pastor"
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=2104802
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=2007089205


Interim Pastor: Rev. Jane Cicione, Preddys Creek Baptist Church, Barboursville, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=WC029
[NO SBC LINK]


Senior Pastor: Rev. Jennifer J. Kelly, Rapidan Baptist Church, Wolftown, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=40028
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=4709-22748


Senior Pastor: Rev. Dr. Sabrina St. Clair, Rhema Christian  Ministry, Fredricksburg, VA [appears to mix other data, such as a location with the pastors name]
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=13078
[NO SBC LINK]


Senior Pastor: Rev. Nancy S. McDaniel, Rhoadesville Baptist Church, Rhoadsville, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=14030
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=5364-22542


Multi-Site Campus Pastor: Mrs. Sheri Crawford, Spring Hill Baptist Church, Ruckersville, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=203401
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=7473-22968


Senior Pastor: Rev. Mary Ann Mann, Tomahawk Baptist Church, Midlothian, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=21033
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=2044-23112


Senior Pastor: Rev. Nancy R. Poti, Trinity Church, Baptist,  Richmond, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=37074
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=4936-23113


Senior Pastor: Rev. Carol H. Johnston, Troutville Baptist Church, Troutville, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=38061
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=1026-24175
According to what appears to be the local church website, Carol Johnston is senior pastor at Troutville Baptist Church. She was called here first as an interim pastor in September 1999, and then as senior pastor in February 2000. Before arriving at Troutville, Carol served at Grandin Court Baptist for 20 years.


Senior Pastor: Rev. Anna P. Miller, Westhunt Baptist Church, Richmond, VA
http://www.vbmb.org/apps/Churches/maps.cfm?ChurchID=10051
http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=2983-23294


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Can the Pajama's Media help me understand the above ? Is it limited to Virginia ? I was involved in the baptist world for many years, but have lost touch with much of it now. It looks to me like, in liberal areas ( metro areas ) the baptists are softening on the idea of women pastors. Though I'm sure in the majority of areas this is not the case.

A few years ago First Baptist of Decatur reportedly was expelled from the SBC when it called Julie Pennington-Russell as its lead pastor. However according to the Texas Baptists ( formerly BGCT ) website, though not currently listed anymore, it is my understanding that Mrs. Russell was allegedly a lead speaker at a recent Women in Ministry conference. The Texas Baptists website is promoting the idea of women pastors and appears to be suggesting the should be ordained. This seems to indicate that in the liberal areas of Texas a move toward a more progressive approach is being made as well.

[freedomfiter2]

Is the SBC now departing from its formal opposition and starting to quietly tolerate female pastors to avoid a decline in the number of congregations/members ?

Maybe, if “avoid” means to accelerate.

[Hoodat]

I am more interested in the instructions of Christ rather than the desires of man.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

Not all "churches" on this list would necessarily allow women pastors but it is likely that almost all churches that do allow them, also belong to the extremely liberal NCC>

For anyone who does not know about the NCC, it is worth the time to google and read.

The NCC is a Commie front group.

[Hoodat]

Are you saying that it’s OK for women to preach as long as they don’t hold the office of ‘preacher’?

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

VERY GOOD!

[righttackle44]

Your apologetic is faulty because you take a few verses and run them without regard to context. The context of the entire New Testament is that men are designated leaders. The noun and adjective endings of world related to the duties of pastors and elders are all masculine. There is nothing anywhere in the New Testament that sanctions women pastors.

Women had significant leadership roles in the New Testament. Priscilla, the fast friend of Apostle Paul, was a woman whom I can only admire. She was so well grounded in Scripture taught by Paul, that she and Aquila brought Apollos, who has been called the Golden-Throated Orator of the First Century Church, to their home to teach him the correct interpretation of Scripture. (Apollos was teaching and preaching based upon the teachings of John the Baptist, which were incomplete because John the Baptist was martyred before the Crucifixion and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.)

Priscilla risked her life for Apostle Paul. She was a brave, significant woman whom I look forward to seeing Heaven.

She was not a pastor.

I know that you apparently latch onto revisionist teaching that somehow maneuvers women into pastoral leadership responsibilities. To come to those conclusion, one would have to ignore completely the principles of of sound Biblical exegesis. In other words, you can't get to women pastors from the New Testament.

[wideawake]

I am more interested in the instructions of Christ rather than the desires of man.

Leaving aside that your insupportable interpretation of the Gospel is a perfect example of a human desire being read into a text, what are you arguing here against Paul?

That the letters of Paul are inferior to the Gospels?

That the Gospels represent a higher canon within the larger canon of Scripture?

That John is a more truthful and reliable book of Scripture than Timothy is?

[Salvavida]

No. I'm saying that "preacher" isn't an office in the church. Words mean stuff.

Look, I'm not making up what I want to see in church. There hve been volumes written on this subject; so it's not a new thing. But when you take the entire tenor of Scripture + all of the passages that SPEAK DIRECTLY to the issue, you can come to no other conclusion that women cannot hold either of the two offices in the NT church. At least not biblically.

With that said, sinful man has always been free to "Do what is right in his own eyes."

[Hoodat]

Read the first two words of 1 Timothy 2:8.

[Hoodat]

There is nothing anywhere in the New Testament that sanctions women pastors.

Does this apply to the other four folds of ministry as well? Or does it only apply to pastors?

Incidentally, Priscilla actually helped run a church out of her own home.

[wideawake]

Read the first two words of 1 Timothy 2:8.

I assume you mean the first word, boulomai, "I will."

I presume you are arguing here that Paul's teaching is inferior to his Master's, and that we can thus write off such apostolic teaching.

Should we surmise that what Paul and the Lord want are two different things?

And that inclusion of Paul's teaching in the canon is somehow a mistake?

Why are these epistles, then, in the canon to begin with?

[Bryanw92]

>>That the letters of Paul are inferior to the Gospels?

They aren’t inferior. They are letters written to a specific church for a specific purpose. We can learn from those letters, but they must always be taken in context. To quote isolated scripture from an epistle without considering the whole letter and the reason it was written is wrong. And in a case where gospel and epistle are at odds, we should always stand on the side of Christ’s words.

[HarleyD]

I believe you have this wrong. It is not the Southern Baptist's position to allow women as pastors. Please read their most current position on this subject:

Southern Baptists and Women Pastors

[wonkowasright]

You are correct about the official statement, and that is why I was intrigued to notice the disparity between the official statement and practice. My question is are they ignoring the fact that a large number of churches they count as members of the SBC ordain women anyway.

It certainly looks that way.

[wideawake]

Interesting thought process here:

They aren’t inferior.

So far so good. But later:

in a case where gospel and epistle are at odds, we should always stand on the side of Christ’s words

So, they are inferior, then.

In an imagined conflict, the inferior epistle text must defer to its superior, the gospel text.

Let's look closer:

They are letters written to a specific church for a specific purpose.

How were the Gospels written? Who, humanly, wrote them? To whom were they initially addressed?

At least one of the Gospels was arguably written for the edification of a single person, the friend of the author.

We can learn from those letters, but they must always be taken in context.

Are the gospels free of context? Can they be read uncontextually?

Are only epistles subject to this contextual rule?

Where do we learn this rule of contextuality?

To quote isolated scripture from an epistle without considering the whole letter and the reason it was written is wrong.

What is the argument here? That the first letter to Timothy was not written for the purpose of discussing the nature of public ministry and liturgy? And, alternately, that the gospel account of the Resurrection was actually intended as a treatise on who is qualified for public ministry?

Wouldn't it rather be the reverse? That slicing a line out of the Resurrection account in the gospel and changing its primary connotation from a narrative account of the Resurrection into a secret instruction on public ministry would be the unwarranted isolation and decontextualization of Scripture?

And that reading a passage about qualifications concerning public ministry - in a letter written to a new pastor by an experienced apostle on the topic of public ministry - would be a natural and contextual reading of Scripture?

And in a case where gospel and epistle are at odds, we should always stand on the side of Christ’s words.

If the gospels alone can be considered to be "Christ's words" and the epistles cannot be considered to be "Christ's words" then this begs the larger queestion: what is Scripture?

Most believers throughout history would say "the Word of God", wouldn't they?

Are Christ's words and the Word of God different from one another? If they aren't, then how can one part of Scripture - the epistles - not be Christ's words, not the Word of God and another part - the gospels - can so qualify?

Is one part of Scripture "at odds" with another part?

Your post is utterly self-contradictory and undermines Scripture far more than it supports your argument.

[HarleyD]

Hmmmm....this is rather interesting. Apparently the BGAV is different from the SBC but in what way it's difficult to determine. But the BGAV appears to be a schism who left the SBC in favor of the more liberal BWA. Although it's a bit odd that they still seem to support the SBC missionary work. I suspect it's probably because they've recently left. Note this:

BGAV Direction - May 2000

And this:

Relationships with other organizations Virginia and Texas are unique among Southern Baptists, having established two separate state coordinating bodies, both adhering to the Southern Baptist Convention. Within Virginia, several churches left the BGAV in September 1996 to create a rival Southern Baptist Conservatives of Virginia (SBCV); since their first meeting of 158 churches in 1997,[6] the SBCV has grown to represent over 500 churches,[7] which is one-third the size of the BGAV's 1400 churches.[8] Since the BGAV does not prevent its member churches from dually aligning with another Baptist group, some of its members may also affiliate with the more conservative SBCV,[9] though the BGAV and SBCV often disagree on priorities.[10]

The BGAV joined the Baptist World Alliance in 2004 after the Southern Baptist Convention pulled out of the alliance.[11] At the time, BGAV Executive Director John V. Upton, Jr., said, "Virginia Baptists have been a part of the BWA since its beginning in 1905. Our membership up to this point had been through the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC). The decision of the SBC to leave the BWA has automatically removed our membership. In this annual meeting Virginia Baptists have overwhelmingly voted to maintain that historic and strategic relationship."[11] The BGAV contributes more to the Baptist World Alliance (BWA) than does any convention or union in the world.[12]

In 2006, the BGAV received some Georgia Baptist churches requesting affiliation across the border.[13] The move is unusual for Southern Baptist churches which almost universally affiliate with conventions in their states or region. But it represents a growing interest in denominational links by affinity rather than geography, say some observers.[14]

Baptist General Association of Virginia from Wikipedia

[Bryanw92]

>>Your post is utterly self-contradictory and undermines Scripture far more than it supports your argument.

Christ came to Earth to define a Way and to create the Kingdom of God. Paul’s mission was to form a church. Both are essential parts of the scripture because without the Way, there is no church; and without the church, the Way was going to be corrupted (as we learn from the epistles).

And, I’m sorry if you cannot see this, but the words in RED are more important than the rest. I do not worship Paul, no matter how great a MAN he was.

[ReformationFan]

There’s no passage where Paul instructs people to worship him and not Christ.

The original autographs did not put Christ’s words in red. From what I’ve studied, “red-letter” Bibles were not published until 1900. I do not believe the Triune God of the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit is pleased with the “Jesus vs. Paul” false argument that many put forward today to advance certain agendas.

“Every Scripture is God-breathed (given by His inspiration) and profitable for instruction, for reproof and conviction of sin, for correction of error and discipline in obedience, [and] for training in righteousness (in holy living, in conformity to God’s will in thought, purpose, and action), So that the man of God may be complete and proficient, well fitted and thoroughly equipped for every good work.” 2 Timothy 3:16-17

[Salvation]

Christ told the apostles in Matthew: “Go out to all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

Nothing about women there.

[Bryanw92]

>>“Every Scripture is God-breathed (given by His inspiration) and profitable for instruction, for reproof and conviction of sin, for correction of error and discipline in obedience, [and] for training in righteousness (in holy living, in conformity to God’s will in thought, purpose, and action), So that the man of God may be complete and proficient, well fitted and thoroughly equipped for every good work.” 2 Timothy 3:16-17

So, Paul wrote that letter, intending it to become part of scripture because the letter says that it is scripture? Or did he write it about existing OT scripture and the NT gospels? Paul was a pretty humble guy after his conversion, and writing a letter to another man that was supposed to have the same weight as the words of Christ seems a little pretentious.

BTW, when I said “the words in red”, I did not mean literal red printing. That’s just a figure of speech for the words of Christ (you see, all the words in red in a typical bible were spoken by Christ).