Posted on 01/20/2013 9:42:47 AM PST by NYer
What brothers? Jesus was an only child.
Alex,
Thanks for pointing out Mary’s actual height! I think the author of the article on this thread should show us how the Wedding at Cana reflected Mary’s height - say in comparison to the stone water pots - I’m sure it’s right in there next to all the other made up stuff.
I liked this part.
But, even if you don't believe it my broader point still stands.
Well then, I guess heretofore I should define your papal persuasion more accurately. ;)
Reformed Calvinists or unreformed Calvinists.......different groups, but still fallen into the same ditch.
I was born and raised in a Calvinist/Methodist family. Quite familiar with the doctrines. After 28 years, I obeyed Acts 2:38; and the rest is, as they say, history.
“What you experienced was freedom whereas they were enslaved by the world. God bless you!”
Thank you, in all fairness, I was taught to trust God, and have been ridiculously blessed as a result. The Blessed Mother is God’s example of a woman, and that is an amazing gift from God in our faith. I saw that example in my mother. Truth be told I could have easily been led in the wrong direction if it weren’t for His grace, and my Catholic upbringing. I never appreciated any of it until I had children. I grew up relatively poor (my parents married very young), but now have more than I could ever possibly need. It is almost as if God told me, “you see, all those things you dreamed of having are meaningless, without me.” It is true.
There are still too many of us who take our God given gifts, traditions, and faith for granted, so thank you for your posts, and God Bless you.
Jesus is seemingly always depicted with long hair, yet was not under the Nazarite vow. If he was, he shouldn’t have been drinking wine in those several acounts.
**say in comparison to the stone water pots**
Speaking of those in the painting.....musta been quite a chore hollowing out those stones, the narrow openings and all, and tough just making them nice and round, like they had been on a potter’s wheel. Vanity, vanity...but hey, painters have to make a living too.
Also, they painters like to portray Jesus, Mary, et al with their flowing garments dragging the ground, as though they didn’t have unpaved roads/paths to travel on. Come on artists, give it some thought, those folks didn’t have automatic washing machines.
Hmmmmmm.....
Joh_4:19-21 The woman said to him, "Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet.... Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
Joh_8:10 Jesus stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
Joh_19:26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son!"
Think theologically as John does. He writes several layers deep. We aren’t concocting things at all.
From the Navarre commentary:
4. For the meaning of the words of this verse see the section on our Lady in the
“Introduction” above (pp. 35ff). It should also be said that the Gospel account of
this dialogue between Jesus and his Mother does not give us his gestures, tone
of voice etc.: to us, for example, his answer sounds harsh, as if he were saying,
“This is no concern of ours”. But that was not the case.
“Woman” is a respectful title, rather like “lady” or “madam”; it is a formal way of
speaking. On the Cross Jesus will use the same word with great affection and
veneration (Jn 19:26).
[The sentence rendered “What have you to do with me?” (RSV) is the subject
of a note in RSVCE which says “while this expression always implies a diver-
gence of view, the precise meaning is to be determined by the context, which
here shows that it is not an unqualified rebuttal, still less a rebuke.” The Navarre
Spanish is the equivalent of “What has it to do with you and me?”] The sentence
“What has it to do with you and me?” is an Oriental way of speaking which can
have different nuances. Jesus’ reply seems to indicate that although in principle
it was not part of God’s plan for him to use his power to solve the problem the
wedding feast had run into, our Lady’s request moves him to do precisely that.
Also, one could surmise that God’s plan envisaged that Jesus should work the
miracle at his Mother’s request. In any event, God willed that the Revelation of
the New Testament should include this important teaching: so influential is our
Lady’s intercession that God will listen to all petitions made through her; which
is why Christian piety, with theological accuracy, has called our Lady “suppli-
cant omnipotence”.
Seeing how three of four of my verses are from John, I think it’s fair to say that the author is reading into something that isn’t there. There is no indication that Jesus gave Mary special status by calling her “Woman”. He said the exact same thing about others. What specifically in the scripture would lend to that belief? It is obvious the author is prejudice.
Did you miss this?
**“Woman” is a respectful title, rather like “lady” or “madam”; it is a formal way of
speaking. On the Cross Jesus will use the same word with great affection and veneration (Jn 19:26).**
So when our Lord Jesus was talking to the woman who committed adultery and called her "Woman", we are to assume He is giving her a respectful title? I'm not saying that He doesn't. I'm simply saying our Lord Jesus is giving her the same title as Mary.
Jesus came for the sinners; anything wrong with that?
“In any event, God willed that the Revelation of
the New Testament should include this important teaching: so influential is our
Lady’s intercession that God will listen to all petitions made through her; which
is why Christian piety, with theological accuracy, has called our Lady “suppli-
cant omnipotence”.
THAT is where your quote veered off the road and into a ditch.
My quote? LOL! Did you miss that it was from the Navarre commentary?
When I used the word “quote”, I was referring to what you quoted.
I'm saying that our Lord Jesus equated Mary the same status as the "woman" who committed adultery. Now is Mary a sinner or is the adulterous woman without sin preserved by grace?
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