Posted on 01/20/2013 9:42:47 AM PST by NYer
Ping!
I find it interesting that Jesus rebuked her (which seems to be his way whenever a specific encounter between them takes place) but obeys her.
I have never seen more eisogesis used in one article than in this one... wow! It renders it made up out of whole cloth.
“eisogesis” should have been spelled “eisegesis”...
In keeping with the methods of the article, the O was clearly a reference to Theta, but was unavailable on the keyboard. Theta being the symbol for God. Thus, the poster was drawing the attention of all readers to God - he was in fact, praying for each and every reader, interceding and drawing them to God...
Why do you see this as a rebuke? Mary knew her Son was God incarnate and so brought it to his attention. Jesus was caught off guard and it was more like a surprise reaction but acknowledging Mary’s understanding of her Son as God.
Thank you. The older I get, the more I appreciate how our faith honors all biblical figures. That culture is what maintains a respect within real Catholic families, no matter how low the worldly culture becomes, we instinctively understand God’s order of things.
We live in a world where Laga Gaga, Madonna, and endless other females that are offensive to God are held up as ideal women to our impressionable little girls. God certainly knew what He was doing in giving our families the gift of The Madonna and Child. I have always found that those with a special devotion to the Blessed Mother, truly adore Jesus and keep Him in their hearts.
I have 5 children because I was taught to trust in God like Mary did. The world could have easily led me astray, childless, divorced, dedicated to my career, or some other meaningless cause. Thank you God for saving a wretch like me, and for all the beautiful gifts you have given our church. We adore you!
**In keeping with the methods of the article...**
Ha! Quite witty.
Interesting, how the RCs don’t make threads centering on another instance in scripture: where the Lord’s mother and brethern sought to speak with him, and he ‘put them on the back burner’, proclaiming that any that hear the word of God and keep it, are his mother and brethern.
The Lord displayed a sense of humor at times. Speaking to the unbelieving Nathanael, he said, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no guile.”
Interesting that he also says the same thing to his brothers later in Chapter 7 when they urge him to go to Jerusalem for the Feast.
But in Ch. 2 and 7 he does both anyway.
What's this to mean? That his Mother and brothers knew better than Jesus?
No. Rather it's likely that he had to correct them that his "time" would not be until his death on the cross. They were pushing him to take a leadership position on earth; he was telling them that his leadership would not really transpire until his death on the cross. He did the works they asked him to but they were erroneous as to the meaning of his work.
**Jesus was caught off guard**
I’m sure you didn’t mean it quite that way, for the Lord has never been caught off guard. Mary certainly couldn’t fix the situation herself, but knew it would hurt to ask her son. She may have thought that his growing reputation as a preacher was sufficient to inspire the servants and his disciples to hastily work the neighborhood, and find some wine. She may have been as amazed as any present as to how it all unfolded.
While not what I would call a rebuke, he certainly let her know her place was not to try and direct him at this point in his life.
**he also says the same thing to his brothers**
Silly you, those are really cuzzinz, antz, an uncullz. (sarc)
“let her know her place”??? You can’t be serious. He fulfilled her request in spades. 150 gallons of the best wine ever!
Rather than "putting them on the back-burner" (which disrespectful act Jesus would never do to his mother since it would be breaking one of the 10 commandments), Jesus was simply using the occasion of their arrival to emphasize that those who hear the Word of God and keep it are as close to him as his family. This includes his mother, by the way, who we are told is blessed among women "because she believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord." (Luke 1:45)
I was blogging with a fellow Christian lady who seemed to take pride in disparaging Jesus’ mother. It made no sense to me until she explained that in her faith, everyone is sleeping until the trumpet alarm sounds. Once the alarm goes off, the biblical figures and saints that left before us, finally go to heaven.
People who have this interesting theory can not possibly have any communion or connection with those who to us, are in heaven watching over us, and helping us. Believe it or not, to her Catholics are the weird ones, therefore she is somehow justified in disparaging the Blessed Mother, because of our “misguided” beliefs. To each, his own. Just more proof we have so much to be grateful for.
So many people claim to "trust" in God but few of them actually do. You did and God rewarded you with 5 children. The others "rewarded themselves" with careers and lives spent chasing the illusive goals of husband and children which conflicted with the career. Still others gave up. What you experienced was freedom whereas they were enslaved by the world. God bless you!
Do you ever cook on a multiple burner stove? ‘Putting them on the back burner’ is not tossing burnt food in the trash, or even a diss, but an ‘I’ll get to that when it’s time to’.
When made aware of their presence, he didn’t immediately drop his teaching and go see to their needs, putting everyone else ‘on the back burner’. Yes, he did use the moment to make a point about God’s family
He was careful, addressing her as ‘woman’, not including her as one of the twelve, etc. The Lord was also careful not to elevate her in the eyes of others, not wanting her to become a focal point of idol worship, as the forerunner of the RCs tried to do:
“..a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. BUT, he said, Yea RATHER, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.” Luke 11:27,28
Note: the Word says ‘But’(changing directions), and says ‘yea rather’ (no comma between those two words), in a swift motion agreeing and directing attention to his chosen requirements of Godliness.
It wasn’t a rebuke in those days. “Woman” was respectful and meant “Lady”.
Another thing to consider — this is the beginning of Jesus’ career and Mary is the new Eve, not only the mother of Jesus but of us all.
The other bookend is at the end of Jesus’ career when Jesus again addresses his mother as “Woman”.....behold thy Son. And he give his mother to the Apostle John and to us as a maternal figure.
Mary always points to Jesus: “Do whatever He tells you.”
**RCs **
Oh you are talking about the Reformed Calvinists again.
Catholics are not “Roman” Catholic as many non-Catholics believe.
Our rite is the Latin Rite and there are 21 other rites that are connected to the Pope and are totally Catholic.
Again — there is no such thing as “Roman” Catholics.
It's no worse than this:
Virgin Mary is 165 centimetres tall, a visionary says in a new book
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