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Why Iím optimistic about Christianityís future
FOX NEWS ^ | 02/03/2013 | Johnnie Moore

Posted on 02/03/2013 8:22:42 AM PST by SeekAndFind

've been asked more times than I can remember by secular people and the secular press if Christianity is now, truly...finally...a dying religion.

The scenario plays out a bit like this.

A reporter, after rattling off a steady stream of apocalyptic examples "supported by research," then asks something like: "Given the decline of Christian influence in our society, and around the world, is Christianity on a respirator?"

At this moment, I think they expect me --us -- to jump on the blame bandwagon, and moan on about why Christianity is in danger of being relegated to history's dustbin.

If you're a young leader, as am I, they expect us to unleash a torrent of criticism about what Christians and their standard bearers have done wrong.

The conversation, then, is supposed to take on a "change-or-die" funeral tenor to advance the cultural narrative that the relic of Christianity is on its way out. Our world, it is inferred, is evolving beyond religion -- especially the evangelical kind.

So, you can imagine the wrench it throws into their gears when I declare my fanatical optimism for Christianity's future.

Think about it.

The evidence is everywhere.

Never before have masses of evangelicals and Catholics been more engaged in the public square. The novelty of Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority has been multiplied thousand times over, cementing the role of evangelicals and Catholics in every major election since Ronald Reagan. This was especially apparent in 2012 when evangelicals represented 27% of the electorate (the highest ever) with 78% of them voting for a single candidate, a Mormon nonetheless.

Prominent Christians, like Mike Huckabee, have the ability to instantly mobilize millions of Christians in support of causes that matter to them, and the Obama administration's hostility toward religious liberty didn't shove people of faith into obscurity.

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TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: christianity

1 posted on 02/03/2013 8:22:51 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

OUTSIDE AMERICA:

In the “global south,” Brazil’s evangelical population has swelled by 30% in the last decade, even faster than its economic boon.

The same is true in the east, where China has become, perhaps unwittingly, an incubator for Christianity.

In Africa, the church even oversees some American congregations who’ve broken off from their liberal denominations. This faith is no mere “white man’s religion” but an indigenous force that influences every facet of African society.


2 posted on 02/03/2013 8:24:05 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

hate to burst this guys bubble, but Huckleberry is not good example of what a good Christian leader is. he is a waffler who cares only for himself.

As for the world, what part of reading the Scriptures do people not understand? It clearly states that we, America are to become less so that the evil entity that brings on the end times can become more.

America’s time is OVER, we are headed down the road of hedonism that Europe took long ago. Mark my word, by the end of this year, the Supreme Court will have legalized same sex marriage in their ruling on the California initiative that defended marriage as we know it. The court will side with the homos, and even stretch the ruling to legalize all sex marriages.

All that is left for America is electing those politician who will best manage our decline.


3 posted on 02/03/2013 8:46:46 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m optimistic because I read the end of the Book. Sorry to ruin the surprise for you all, but the good Guy wins in the end.

However, we are in for a whirl of hurt before He finally wins and takes all us Christians home.


4 posted on 02/03/2013 8:47:18 AM PST by Yellowstone Joe
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To: OneVike

“...by the end of this year, the Supreme Court will have legalized same sex marriage in their ruling on the California initiative that defended marriage as we know it.”

Even if our masters in black robes don’t reverse DOMA or prop. 8, it isn’t too positive in my opinion. Prop 8 only passed by 52% in 2008. CA’s Prop. 22 passed by around 60% in 2000. NC passed one last year by 61% or so, matching what CA did 12 years before, but was hailed as a great victory by some. If you go by the states around NC that passed amendments in the early early-mid 2000’s in the high 70% low 80% ranges, NC lost about 15-20% in a little less than 10 years.

As far as the state is concerned, marriage is simply whatever judges, pols, or 51% of the majority think it is at any one time.

Freegards


5 posted on 02/03/2013 9:00:53 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: SeekAndFind

Even if America is becoming less Christian, other parts of the world are going in the opposite direction. The Christian community in China is expanding rapidly, and Uganda recently passed extremely harsh laws against homosexuals trying to convert Ugandan kids. In Greece, the Orthodox community shut down a play about ‘gay Jesus’, something they might have ‘tolerated’ a few years ago.

The problem we have, is that we don’t all yet see the situation as ‘us vs. them’. And that has to change. All denominations of Christianity that follow the teachings (not some progressive bastardization of them), should work very closely with each other, seeing the entire left for what they are. An enemy, intent on eventually destroying faith in America. We then have to mobilize as a bloc to defeat them.


6 posted on 02/03/2013 9:03:08 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: SeekAndFind

In 1980, at the Prayer Breakfast dedicated to the then upcoming election featuring Ronald Reagan, James Dobson said that while he was at prayer one day, he received something he needed to share with all who were present. He said that America would be saved when America’s men stand up and say “We have had enough.”


7 posted on 02/03/2013 9:05:14 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind.
A reporter, after rattling off a steady stream of apocalyptic examples "supported by research," then asks something like: "Given the decline of Christian influence in our society, and around the world, is Christianity on a respirator?"

8 posted on 02/03/2013 9:09:15 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Christian faith relies on the Spirit of a living Source of life, individual rights, and liberty, and, as Jefferson put it: "The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them>" - Thomas Jefferson

Edmund Burke observed of the American colonists, in his 1775 "Speech on Conciliation" before the British Parliament, it was their "spirit of liberty" which distinguished them.

Judge Learned Hand identified that "spirit of liberty" and its Source, as follows:

"'The Spirit of Liberty':

"The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right; the spirit of liberty is the spirit which seeks to understand the minds of other men and women; the spirit of liberty is the spirit which weighs their interests alongside its own without bias; the spirit of liberty remembers that not even a sparrow falls to earth unheeded; the spirit of liberty is the spirit of Him who, near two thousand years ago, taught mankind that lesson it has never learned, but has never quite forgotten; that there may be a kingdom where the least shall be heard and considered side by side with the greatest. And now in that spirit, that spirit of an America which has never been, and which may never be; nay, which never will be except as the conscience and courage of Americans create it; yet in the spirit of that America which lies hidden in some form in the aspirations of us all; in the spirit of that America for which our young men are at this moment fighting and dying; in that spirit of liberty and of America I ask you to rise and with me pledge our faith in the glorious destiny of our beloved country." - P. 190-191, The Spirit of Liberty (1944).

The sacred Rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for among old parchments or musty records. They are written as with a sunbeam in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself, and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power - Alexander Hamilton

Human forces and so-called "progressive" movements which seek to "erase" the ideas of liberty may seem to prevail for a time, but they are destined to failure, for they are rooted in and limited by reliance on "mortal" and coercive impositions of power, not the spirit of liberty.

9 posted on 02/03/2013 9:15:01 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Slyfox
He said that America would be saved when America’s men stand up and say “We have had enough.”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Notice the word, “men”.

That is why our nation's schools are doing everything possible to emasculate little boys, confuse them about their sexuality, force a GODLESS curriculum into their brains, teach them to accept sexual perversion, and turn them into wimpy and flaccid metrosexuals living in their mom's basements.

Yuri Besmonv called it “demoralization”, and the demoralization continues in TV programing, commercials, and print media.

Liberal/Marxist goal: A nation of hairy boy-men who are incapable of defending themselves, their families, and their nation.

The next step after demoralization is collapse. While we are guaranteed by God that Christianity will survive, He make no such promises for nations.

10 posted on 02/03/2013 9:25:10 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Yellowstone Joe
I knew that... the whole "He wins" thing

I would just like to take this time and say, thank God, I am not in control of anything.

So Thanks again, for the up lifting message!

Not being facetious or a smart-a.., really, thanks.

11 posted on 02/03/2013 9:32:34 AM PST by SERE_DOC ( ¬ďThe beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.¬Ē TJ.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for this.


12 posted on 02/03/2013 9:35:43 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: OneVike

One poster’s opinion.


13 posted on 02/03/2013 9:45:48 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: OneVike

This should give you confort and hope:

http://www.firstthings.com/article/2007/01/believing-in-the-global-south-17

Look for more Christian missionaries to come from the global south work with the Lord’s help to bring the good news of the Gospel of Jesus back to the west from the lands that western Christianity did many years ago.


14 posted on 02/03/2013 9:52:33 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Viennacon

Christianity, as practiced by most, is a cultural religion reflecting the standards of popular culture. Most mainline denominations and mega churches practice this kind of faith.
There is always a remnant of believers who practice faith in Christ and His teachings.


15 posted on 02/03/2013 9:53:39 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: wintertime

Read up on Philip Jenkins, he sees not only growth in the Christian faith in the global south, but I sense from there it will be brought back to America and the west via the Christain missionareis from the global south nations.


16 posted on 02/03/2013 9:57:19 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“... with 78% of them voting for a single candidate, a Mormon nonetheless”

Hey ... Mormons are just Christians on steroids!

Just because they reject Mainstream Christianities conformity with the Nicene Creed, does not reduce thier belief the that salvation is obtained solely through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Redeemer to God the Father.

Just a note by a humble LDS Non-Nicene Christian, with full faith, love and devotion to our Lord Jesus Christ.


17 posted on 02/03/2013 9:59:06 AM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm optimistic about Christianity's future because the Lord Jesus Christ promised that He is returning for His people.

I'm not too optimistic about the rest of the world. And, by the way, for those who keep asking about how Christians can hold on to the promise of the Second Coming: one of the signs of the certain Return of the Lord is that people will ask, "When is the time of His Return?"
18 posted on 02/03/2013 10:00:09 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Viennacon

The fight has just begun in America.


19 posted on 02/03/2013 10:02:29 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Ransomed

The law says otherwise. The law in the United States is very clear that the Common Law definition of marriage is one man and one woman.


20 posted on 02/03/2013 10:07:41 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: OneVike

Plus the good news is that the younger people are coming to faith in Jesus all the more.


21 posted on 02/03/2013 10:07:46 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Society’s failure as it turned from God is the best proof of Christianity's simple truth. It also tends to weed out the wannabe types. I see a lot more persecution openly in the work place now. But the gears grind on.

The one place that will soon be empty is the fence sitters. The way things are going, you all will have to make a final decision on spiritual issues. There is no living with it now.

This dog simple don't hunt. When Christianity was the norm, freedom abounded, now as we change to the worlds idea that freedom is the right to sin, everyone is becoming slaves. Christianity exists quite well underground and it will in the future also. But everytime it is forced underground, Society collapses upon itself and millions die.

Not a change to hope for...

22 posted on 02/03/2013 10:15:00 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“The law says otherwise. The law in the United States is very clear that the Common Law definition of marriage is one man and one woman.”

So we didn’t really need to pass those amendments? Not sure what you mean here.

In any case when folks are being punished with the powers of the state for not buying into whatever impossibility the state considers marriage at the time, I’m not sure it will be of great comfort to them.

As far as the state is concerned, marriage is simply whatever judges, pols, or the voting majority think it is at any one time. Many have been conditioned to think that marriage comes from and is defined by the state, so they accept things like ‘gay marriage.’ Pope Leo XIII warned about this 130 years ago.

Freegards


23 posted on 02/03/2013 10:45:52 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: teppe

yeah that whole, Adam is now God thing is a mite off.


24 posted on 02/03/2013 10:54:17 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: teppe

“Hey ... Mormons are just Christians on steroids!”

So drug use explains the deep problems with rewriting history, rewriting the Bible, and the idolatry that makes God into a created thing?

Your post is the most honest mormon defense I’ve seen so far...


25 posted on 02/03/2013 11:08:34 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Biggirl
Look for more Christian missionaries to come from the global south work with the Lord’s help to bring the good news of the Gospel of Jesus back to the west from the lands that western Christianity did many years ago
Yes, you are correct.

More and more, European countries that sent missionaries to Africa and Asia in the 1800's are now seeing thousands of missionaries from those continents spreading the Gospel to a generation of Europeans who have never heard of the truth about Christ.

I expect the same to begin happening to America in the next 30 years or so.
26 posted on 02/03/2013 11:11:11 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Ransomed

Yes, even if, and that is becoming a bigger if every day, the Supreme Court upholds Prop 8 the voters are being educated by California’s education system that homosexuality is normal. So when they reach voting age they will vote to make it legal anyway.


27 posted on 02/03/2013 11:13:28 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: SeekAndFind

God is not dead. Self centered human nature will be.


28 posted on 02/03/2013 11:30:14 AM PST by Armaggedon
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To: American in Israel

Look for more missionaries to be sent from the global south nations to America and the west.


29 posted on 02/03/2013 12:24:24 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: teppe
Someone who can't accept the Nicene Creed isn't Christian no matter what their favorite flavor of the great delusion teaches.

30 posted on 02/03/2013 2:20:10 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Viennacon

The Anglicans and Methodist churches both are held to an orthodox moral course by their Third World members. This infuriates the liberals in England and America, who despite their liberal piety have little respect for the non-whites in those churches. As someone has mentioned, China may soon have more Christians than the nominally Christian countries of Europe and elsewhere.


31 posted on 02/03/2013 3:57:36 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Biggirl

They are already are. It reminds me of the course of Christianity history in Europe: Though Ireland was outside the Roman Empire, it served as a vehicle for finally establishing Christianity in the West,after the fall of the western Empire.


32 posted on 02/03/2013 4:01:12 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: teppe

There is a huger gap between Joseph Smith and Athanasius than you seem to realize.


33 posted on 02/03/2013 4:07:41 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Ransomed

“As far as the state is concerned, marriage is simply whatever judges, pols, or the voting majority think it is at any one time/”

And American law says something very different. The fact that you’ve accepted this erroneous assessment shows to me that you believe something that is contrary to American law.

The law is very explicit - but it’s hard enough when so-called ‘conservatives’ adopt the exact same reasoning as the statists. The state may attempt but it cannot succeed in doing so.


34 posted on 02/03/2013 4:35:26 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Viennacon

Dinesh D’Souza says in his new book that China is on its way to having the world’s largest Christian population. Not percentage-wise but in terms of absolute numbers. And Christianity is exploding in Africa and South America. Meanwhile it withers in classical Christendom. Kind of ironic.


35 posted on 02/03/2013 4:50:17 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: JCBreckenridge

“And American law says something very different. The fact that you’ve accepted this erroneous assessment shows to me that you believe something that is contrary to American law.”

If the law says something very different, why did everyone bother with the state amendmends as concerns the definition of marriage? And as far as an erroneous assesment, if one doesn’t think the state determines the definition it uses to recognize marriage by whatever judges, pols, or the voting public think about it at any one time, how does the state determine this?

“...it’s hard enough when so-called ‘conservatives’ adopt the exact same reasoning as the statists. The state may attempt but it cannot succeed in doing so.”

The state doesn’t define marriage for me, I doubt if it does for you either.

Freegards


36 posted on 02/03/2013 5:23:06 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Rashputin

AMEN!!


37 posted on 02/03/2013 8:08:52 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Look at the area where Christianity started. It is now almost gone. Europe is failing, and North America will follow soon.

Yes the rest of the world is looking better, but that doesn’t mean we will be around to see it.


38 posted on 02/04/2013 4:13:29 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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