Posted on 03/11/2013 7:18:41 AM PDT by Colofornian
Hundreds of students of all ages — including at least one LDS apostle — gathered at locations in Provo and Salt Lake City Thursday and Friday to listen and take notes as 26 scholars examined the extent to which LDS Church founder Joseph Smith was familiar with ancient writings, scriptural or otherwise.
“Approaching Antiquity: Joseph Smith’s Study of the Ancient World,” a two-day BYU Church History Symposium, drew capacity audiences to the BYU campus and the LDS Church Conference Center Little Theater.
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Another highly attended session on the first day of the symposium featured Dr. David F. Holland, associate professor of history at the University of Nevada Las Vegas and author of “Sacred Borders: Continuing Revelation and Canonical Restraint.” Holland had the distinction of being the only speaker during the two-day conference introduced by an apostle: his father, Elder Jeffrey R. Holland of the LDS Church’s Quorum of the Twelve Apostles...
Holland’s presentation compared Joseph Smith’s view of the world — past, present and future — with two of his religious contemporaries: Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of Christian Science; and Ellen G. White, one of the founders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
“These three American oracles share a bit in common,” Holland said, pointing out they were all born in New England “into a religious and cultural context defined by the mainstream Protestantism of their nation.” And all three “claimed a special mission and inspiration from God Almighty,” which led to all three producing sacred texts that followers considered “equivalent to Holy Scripture.”
While Holland said “it would be impossible to compare the whole corpus of their writing,” he focused on the way Eddy, White and Smith looked to the historical past and the prophetic future within the body of their work...
(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...
And all three -- Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, and Ellen G. White are regarded as cultists by much of mainstream Christianity...although admittedly some regard Seventh day Adventism as only aberrant -- and NOT a cult.
Certainly, White's writings were FILLED with failed prophecies:
* You Be the Judge: Does Mrs. White Pass the Biblical Tests of a Prophet?
* Prophecy Blunders of Ellen G. White their inspired prophet!
So White & Baker Eddy are themselves regarded as false prophetesses within Christianity.
So it's quite interesting when a Mormon speaker compares their leader to other cultists!
(Kind of makes our point without e'en having to put much effort out there!)
Holland’s presentation compared Joseph Smith’s view of the world — past, present and future — with two of his religious contemporaries: Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of Christian Science; and Ellen G. White, one of the founders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
hum? They let the cat out of the bag here.
Yes, interesting...what Walter Martin might say in a single sentence, we get Lds speakers taking an entire session to elaborate before packed-out Mormon audiences at BYU!
Mormons, Walter Martin was telling you this stuff long ago! (And with a greater degree of candid truth)
(Hint: Find a way to pick up some of those Martin messages!)
I remember seeing a booklet in my wife’s grandmother’s house.
“ELLEN G WHITE IS A PROPHET OF GOD!”
They were not Adventists.
Years ago I found some interesting booklets in a Post Office trash can on Adventism. After the incidents in WACO, TX I realized these booklets were from a Missouri sect of the Branch Davidians, an offshoot of the SDAs.
How do we know Mormonism is a cult?
Let us count thy ways.
A highly respected Lds "apostle" of the 20th century was Elder John A. Widtsoe.
The Lds church, in one of their official publications for its members -- a 1980-1981 study guide -- wanted to be dictatorial even of Mormon members' feelings when they gathered for their quorums:
Elder John A. Widtsoe wrote: 'The priesthood is a great brotherhood, held together by the eternal immutable laws that constitute the framework of the Gospel. The feeling of brotherhood SHOULD permeat the quorum." (Priesthood and Church Government, p. 135) as cited in Choose You This Day pp. 173-174 Choose You This Day: Melchizedek Personal Study Guide 1980-1981 (1979)
(Who knew that even feelings were ordered up from on high in Salt Lake City?)
I’m still waiting for the location of Kolab.
Mormons still regularly sing from their hymnbook: "If you could hie to Kolob"
When I was in Salt Lake a couple years ago, I got a kick out of the statue showing St.(?) John Smith, Jr., holding his lovely bride’s hand . . . but they didn’t have statues for the other 42 wives he had . . . some of whom were under 14 . . . wonder if they got those statues done yet.
Of course, Smith was (and Mormonism still is) steeped in the occult ... ranging from the peep stone that he relied on throughout his ministry to provide such basic services as translating the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham to locating money (unsuccessfully) in Salem, Massachusetts ... to the Jupiter talisman that he wore the night he was killed in a blotched jail break. To this day, Mormon temples are adorned with occult symbols such as sunstones, saturn stones, the evil eye of Osiris, and baphomets (all of which are also associated with satanism).
It's also interesting to note that the BYU Conference omits another Smith contemporary cultist from the northeastern United States, Charles Taze Russell ... the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses who rediscovered many of the essential elements of the ancient heresy of Arianism.
1. If you could hie to Kolob In the twinkling of an eye,
And then continue onward With that same speed to fly,
Do you think that you could ever, Through all eternity,
Find out the generation Where Gods began to be?
2. Or see the grand beginning, Where space did not extend?
Or view the last creation, Where Gods and matter end?
Me thinks the Spirit whispers, “No man has found ‘pure space,’
Nor seen the outside curtains, Where nothing has a place.”
3. The works of God continue, And worlds and lives abound;
Improvement and progression Have one eternal round.
There is no end to matter; There is no end to space;
There is no end to spirit; There is no end to race.
4. There is no end to virtue; There is no end to might;
There is no end to wisdom; There is no end to light.
There is no end to union; There is no end to youth;
There is no end to priesthood; There is no end to truth.
5. There is no end to glory; There is no end to love;
There is no end to being; There is no death above.
There is no end to glory; There is no end to love;
There is no end to being; There is no death above.
Miss Eliza R. Snow was one of the first (willing) victims of Joseph in Nauvoo. She used to be much at the prophet’s house he made her one of his celestial brides... . Feeling outraged as a wife and betrayed as a friend, Emma is currently reported as having had recourse to a vulgar broomstick as an instrument of revenge: and the harsh treatment received at Emma’s hands is said to have destroyed Eliza’s hopes of becoming the mother of a prophet’s son (Dr. W. Wyl, Mormon Portraits, 1886, pp.57-58).
The Mormon writer Claire Noall acknowledged: “Willard realized that Emma had refused to believe that any of the young women boarding at the Mansion when it was first used as a hotel had been married to Joseph. She had struck Eliza Snow at the head of the stairs, and Eliza, it was whispered, had lost her unborn child” (Intimate Disciple, a Portrait of Willard Richards, 1957, p.407).
Sometime during February of 1843 Emma evidently became aware that Joseph had taken her best friend, Eliza R. Snow, as a plural wife. Eliza was currently living in the Smith home, which housed a number of boarders. LDS historians Linda Newell and Valeen Avery wrote:
When the full realization of the relationship between her friend Eliza and her husband Joseph came to her, Emma was stunned. . . . Although no contemporary account of the incident between Emma and Eliza remains extant, evidence leads to the conclusion that some sort of physical confrontation occurred between the two women. In 1886 Wilhelm Wyl published the first known version of the incident in his book, Joseph Smith the Prophet: His Family and His Friends:
They say . . . there is scarcely a Mormon unacquainted with the fact that Sister Emma . . . soon found out the little compromise arranged between Joseph and Eliza. Feeling outraged as a wife and betrayed as a friend, Emma is currently reported as having had recourse to a vulgar broomstick as an instrument of revenge; and the harsh treatment received at Emma’s hands is said to have destroyed Eliza’s hopes of becoming the mother of a prophet’s son...
Another story, attributed to LeRoi C. Snow, Eliza’s nephew, is an oral family tradition that tells of Emma knocking Eliza down the stairs with a broom, the fall resulting in a miscarriage for Eliza. . . .
Whether Eliza fell down the stairs or whether Emma pushed her or pulled her down by the hair, or whether Emma only turned her out of the house, the result seems to be documented in Eliza’s terse journal entry for February 11, 1843:
‘Took board and had my lodging removed to the residence of br. [Jonathan] Holmes.’
Eliza did not make another entry in her journal for five weeks and wrote no explanation for either the gap in her diary or her abrupt departure from Emma’s home. . . .
Several acquaintances of Eliza spoke of Emma discovering Eliza’s relationship with Joseph, leading to her departure.
The incident between Emma and Eliza forced the issue of plural marriage into the open. Emma could no longer believe that Joseph was not involved, and he could no longer deny it. Emma had not acted with violence before; now her determined opposition might show up again with unexpected force. Joseph resolutely tried to bring Emma around (Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith, by Linda King Newell and Valeen Tippetts Avery, 1994, pp. 134-137).
http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no106.htm
Why? You already knew what you were seeing. What do you care, about how many wives, some hudu has?
2. Or see the grand beginning, Where space did not extend?
Or view the last creation, Where Gods and matter end?
ALL:
Perhaps you didn't realize that Mormons -- when they praise their gods -- sing lyrical lines about mythical planets they came from in their churches...singing about "Where gods [plural] began to be" and "Where gods [plural] and matter end."
And I quote:
Christian Science is a religion? LOL! I thought it was a magazine! What do they call themselves, Christian Scientists? Some many religions when there is only ONE truth. I forgot about the 7th-Day’ers.
Most the mormons in my mormon family deny Smith was an earthly polygamist, that’s why the “others” are not shown inside the wards.
Yes. and Yes.
The Christian Science Monitor newspaper was started by them.
They have "Christian Science reading rooms" at their churches.
The "Jesus" of Christian Science think of themselves as "Christian," yet they don't believe Jesus is God.
Btw, the Christian Science religion is a dying one. Many of their churches have low attendance...often elderly ladies.
Okay. Thanks.
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