Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

How Should We Understand Pope Francis Washing Women's Feet?
NCRegister ^ | March 28, 2013 4:28 | Jimmy Akin

Posted on 03/30/2013 10:44:48 AM PDT by Salvation

How Should We Understand Pope Francis Washing Women's Feet?

Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:28
 
 
 

--snip-- 

This Year's Mass of the Lord's Supper

It was surprising but not surprising when the Holy See announced that Pope Francis had chosen to celebrate this year's Mass of the Lord's Supper not in one of the papal basilicas of Rome but, instead, in its juvenile prison.

That's precisely the kind of gesture that we have come to expect from the new pope in the short time we've been getting to know him.

It's not traditional, but it's humble and evangelistic.

And it corresponds to Jesus' remarks that, when we visit those in prison, we are spiritually visiting him (Matthew 25:36-40).

It's also in keeping with things he's done before, such as holding the service in a maternity hospital in Buenos Aires in 2005.

--snip-- 

Questions

 

1. What do the Church's liturgical documents say about footwashing?

--snip-- 

2. How does Pope Francis's decision relate to this?

--snip-- 

 

3. Can Pope Francis just do things that aren't provided for in the law?

--snip-- 

4. If he can do this, can others?

Technically speaking, no. If a pope judges that, due to the particular circumstances of a papal celebration, an exception should be made, that does not create a legal precedent allowing others to do so.

--snip-- 

5. What should we expect in the future?

--snip-- 

Already, the Congregation for Divine Worship has, apparently, indicated privately that a bishop can wash women's feet if he feels a pastoral exception should be made. At least, that's what Cardinal O'Malley indicated he was told when he asked them about the subject (see here for more info).

 

6. How should we understand the rite in light of Pope Francis's action?

--snip-- 

The most direct explanation of the rite's purpose is found in Paschales Solemnitatis, which says:

51. The washing of the feet of chosen men which, according to tradition, is performed on this day, represents the service and charity of Christ, who came "not to be served, but to serve." This tradition should be maintained, and its proper significance explained.

This indicates that we should understand that this rite "represents the service and charity of Christ"--

--snip-- 



 


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; francis; holythursday; pope; popefrancis; vatican
Please find the answers here
1 posted on 03/30/2013 10:44:48 AM PDT by Salvation
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Remember how Christ talked to the Samritan woman? Was that acceptable in his day? Yet, he did it anyway to evangelize her.

Holy Thursday Ping!


2 posted on 03/30/2013 10:47:05 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
Can Pope Francis just do things that aren't provided for in the law?

There are only two laws:

1) Love God.
2) Love your neighbor.

I would say that this falls under Rule #2.

3 posted on 03/30/2013 10:49:00 AM PDT by Hoodat (I stand with Rand.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

I’m not Catholic but I sure wish I could see more Christian behavior like this among my Christian brethren.

I’m not saying that we all need to wash the feet of inmates, only that we could all stand to be better Christians.


4 posted on 03/30/2013 10:50:24 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hoodat

Excellent point. I think they were talking about the church guidelines, though.


5 posted on 03/30/2013 10:53:35 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
A woman washed Jesus' feet.

Pope Francis is washing a mother's feet in the photo who is also holding a baby.

Why would anyone have a problem with that?

In Jesus's time a host would wash his guest's feet as a sign of hospitality because the guest would have traveled a long way on dusty roads.

Today, all of those people don't really need their feet washed - Francis is symbolically extending a Christ-like hospitality. That's all.

6 posted on 03/30/2013 10:54:26 AM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

Amen!

Perhaps we have a model here in Pope Francis.

Did Jesus talk with the Samritan woman? Yes, even though it was not acceptable in those days to do so.

His motive — love for all evangelization


7 posted on 03/30/2013 10:54:51 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
Yes he spoke to the Samaritan woman...but did not wash her feet.

At the last supper Jesus washing of “the Disciples” feet, in content with the passage....was emphasize they were to serve one another..(as believers), rather then squabble over who was more significant.

I do think the Pope went too far by kissing the feet as he did...were the individuals believers? Because we can't ignore the fact Jesus washed “the Disciples” feet....not unbelievers...and this to make a bold statement concerning they were to serve one another.

However, this is the first Pope I've found quite interesting... and perhaps he will make a difference within the Catholic faith as he certainly seems to be taking the church to a place where they remember what the family of believers is about. Time will tell....no doubt opposition will follow him.

8 posted on 03/30/2013 11:03:21 AM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

Yes and it is an important example of how Christ came for the world as we are all sinners. Some Pharisees asked him why he hung out with sinners. He made a point that sick people need a doctor; healthy people do not.


9 posted on 03/30/2013 11:04:58 AM PDT by grimalkin (Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God. -G.K. Chesterton)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

Comment #10 Removed by Moderator

To: cripplecreek
Visit those in prison.

Once faced with a problem of how we could deal with hundreds of thousands of undelivered sample tampons (product samples sent in the mail) I took that question as if it had been delivered by Jesus personally ~ and put some serious thought to it.

We are commanded to visit those in prison ~ whether personally, or to alleviate the conditions of those held there.

That meaning had not been clear to me until faced with this situation ~ hundreds of thousands of undelivered product samples of use to who?

With a little research i found that every prison of any kind in this nation has a charitable group of some kind who make sure appropriate donations get to the prisoners. As those calls started coming in about those samples, I simply directed the callers to contact the warden's office at the nearest prison, or the county sheriff if he ran a jail.

That there were women in need. Many of the people I contacted on the matter ~ starting with Bureau of Prisons in DC ~ advised me that most women's facilities by a one size fits all traditional sanitary napkin ~ and almost never anything more advanced ~ that the only way women prisoners may acquire modern products was from charities, and that almost never happened.

So, there you are folks ~ if you want to do charity directly, find a place housing women prisoners ~ donate tampons.

Over the years those calls didn't stop coming and i found myself answering the question of what to do with those samples for 20 years.

I heartily approve of the Pope's washing of the feet and his visit to prison ~ all of us can follow up with charitable giving to those imprisoned.

11 posted on 03/30/2013 11:06:06 AM PDT by muawiyah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Slyfox
Why would anyone have a problem with that?

I dunno, maybe because the rubrics of the liturgy specify viri ("men", as in "adult male humans," not homines, human beings of unspecified gender), and when the chief executive ignores the rulebook and does his own thing (Barack Hussein Obama, call your office), it sets a bad example?

The persons whose feet are being washed are supposed to represent the Apostles, not generic "people in need". The Apostles were all men, and the fact that the Apostles were all men is usually cited as part of the rationale for an all-male priesthood.

12 posted on 03/30/2013 11:11:44 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: muawiyah

I give my samples to the St. Vincent de Paul Society at my church. When they go to visit a new family (usually to deliver a table and chairs or some other furniture) they check the kitchen and the bathroom.

Do they have soap to wash dishes?

Do they have toilet paper in the bathroom?

After finding out that they made these checks I also starting buying a case of TP for them. Sometimes we don’t think about these simple necessities — or rather — take our own supply for granted.


13 posted on 03/30/2013 11:17:30 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
It seems a very unwise move in today's environment. My wife and daughters were particularly furious. The war for sin on behalf of Satan involves a war against sex, because the devil hates the human body. And in particular, it's a war against men, because men are the strength of Christian society. When they are called upon and answer, the devil is routed. When they grow distracted or are bypassed, the family and society are divided, and men go play video games, or whatever is the contemporary equivalent.

To my eyes, this wasn't the historical moment for Pope Francis's gesture, which comes across as very 1970s. Whatever the Holy Father's motives, it will be interpreted by Catholic men as more evidence that they have no special purpose. It will be used by Christ's enemies (inside and outside the Church) to convince more confused people that Christ's humanity and the priesthood are meaningless. I pray that in the long run, this act of the Pope's will be become part of a great victory for which I can't see the outlines. But to my limited vision now, it looks like an invasion of Russia in the winter.

14 posted on 03/30/2013 11:19:20 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

Amen


15 posted on 03/30/2013 11:22:05 AM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: SamuraiScot

I just wrote an email to someone encouraging the men in his group to step forward and do these things.

I believe it will happen. And I understand the pain. I had my feet washed once by my priest, and I decided this year, that if I were to be asked, I would recommend a man that was sitting in another pew.

I think we need to do this.


16 posted on 03/30/2013 11:24:13 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
How Should We Understand Pope Francis Washing Women's Feet?
Pope Francis’ sermon for Mass of the Last Supper at Rome’s juvenile prison

'I do this with my heart,' Pope says before washing inmates' feet
The Birthday of the Chalice (Maundy Thursday)
Young Inmates Eager for Holy Thursday Mass With Francis
The Fourth Cup
The Last Supper and the Forgiveness of Sins
Benedict XVI’s sermon for Holy Thursday Mass of the Last Supper (Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)
The Mandatum of Love (meaning of Maundy Thursday/Holy Thursday) [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
The Significance of Holy Thursday
Holy Thursday Evening Mass of the Lord's Supper
A Christian Passover Seder for Holy Thursday (or tonight)

The significance of Holy Thursday (institution of the Eucharist and priesthood)
Holy Thursday: The God who Washes Feet
Holy Thursday and the washing of the feet [Mandatum]
The Hunt for the Fourth Cup
Great and Holy Thursday [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Maundy Thursday, Holy Thursday, Shire Thursday
Holy Thursday
Maundy Thursday
HOMILIES PREACHED BY FATHER ALTIER ON HOLY THURSDAY IN 2004 AND 2005.
Paths to Rome: Washing of Feet on Holy Thursday

Washing of the Feet on Holy Thursday And More on Days of Abstinence
Reflections for Maundy Thursday: The Carrying of the Cross
Past Not Over (Why Passover is the most widely observed holiday.)
The Chrism Mass
Celebration of a Family Seder Meal
Washing the Feet of Men Only on Holy Thursday
ALTAR OF REPOSE - Catholic Liturgy for Maundy Thursday
Catholic Caucus: Maundy (Holy) Thursday
The Fourth Cup: The Sacrament of the Eucharist [Holy Thursday] [Passover]
Holy Thursday - When the moon is full

17 posted on 03/30/2013 11:24:44 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Campion

Until fairly recently, the foot washing was only done by the bishops to 12 priests at the bishop’s Chrism mass. This was to symbolize humility.

After Vatican II, the practice was extended to parishes. Probably because of the possibility of scandal (Father washing the feet of some attractive woman, for example), in 1980 it was provided that the parish-level washees, so to speak, should be viri, that is, men.

So this is not an ancient tradition and the restriction to males is fairly recent and was purely practical, not symbolic or laden with meaning. A person who has his or her feet washed is not thereby considered a successor to the Apostles or a candidate for the priesthood, but simply a humble person to whom a person more important in worldly terms is deferring and showing that what is really important is to use one’s abilities and position to serve others and not to lord it over them. It has nothing to do with ordination.


18 posted on 03/30/2013 11:29:16 AM PDT by livius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: caww
were the individuals believers?

A couple were believers in Allah (Muslim definition; not Mideast Christian), we've been told.

But, alas, one has to pick one's battles, and this episode is 0.000001 percent as troubling to me as the existence of the NO itself, somewhat like a pimple on a huge skin tumor -- who cares?

19 posted on 03/30/2013 11:29:20 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

Haven’t looked up your answers, but it is perfectly permissible in my Diocese (Milwaukee) for the priests to wash a woman’s feet. They ask for volunteers every year.


20 posted on 03/30/2013 11:37:12 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: afraidfortherepublic

So, more men need to volunteer. Come on, guys!


21 posted on 03/30/2013 11:37:50 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

John 13
New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Washes His Disciples’ Feet

13 It was just before the Passover Festival. Jesus knew that the hour had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end.

2 The evening meal was in progress, and the devil had already prompted Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus. 3 Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God; 4 so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. 5 After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples’ feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him.

6 He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, “Lord, are you going to wash my feet?”

7 Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”

8 “No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.”

Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”

9 “Then, Lord,” Simon Peter replied, “not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!”

10 Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you.” 11 For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean.

12 When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. “Do you understand what I have done for you?” he asked them. 13 “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14 Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. 15 I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 16 Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.


22 posted on 03/30/2013 11:39:48 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Slyfox

“Why would anyone have a problem with that?”


Wait until you see how many do have a problem—a perfect symptom of what is wrong with the Roman Catholic Church today.


23 posted on 03/30/2013 11:43:34 AM PDT by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

It’s one thing to give money ~ anyone can do that, but giving of your time and your mind is another ~ those are gifts that one may have but not others ~ thinking of the needs of the poor is very important.


24 posted on 03/30/2013 11:43:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: steve86

“who cares?”

Well it’s obvious from the hits on these threads and the news stations covering it worldwide..that many DO care how the Representative of their faith goes about representing them.

Anyone who has international interest is going to be critiqued....particularly concerning most mainline religions and their leadership.


25 posted on 03/30/2013 11:49:24 AM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: caww
many DO care how the Representative of their faith goes about representing them.

Yes, including me and virtually everyone on these threads.

I can see both sides of it -- the 'slippery slope' possibility as viewed by the traditionalists (potentially leading to arbitrary changes in rubrics); the 'emulate Jesus' side as seen by others (needs little explanation). I don't have the background to characterize the two points of view in more formal ecclesiastic terms.

In any case, please have a Blessed Easter!

26 posted on 03/30/2013 11:57:25 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

Perhaps the model should be Christ, instead of the Pope. It is not some super-human feat that the pope performed, but something that any Christian should feel no hesitation to do in regard to his fellow man—that is serving others.


27 posted on 03/30/2013 12:01:59 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.cafepress.com/westernwis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

He showed us what humility and character look like, obama has neither.....


28 posted on 03/30/2013 12:26:17 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Salvation; fellowpatriot; MarineMom613; Ron C.; wolfman23601; ColdOne; navymom1; Pat4ever; ...
+

Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

29 posted on 03/30/2013 12:27:19 PM PDT by narses
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve86
I should have said:

the 'slippery slope' possibility as viewed by the traditionalists (potentially leading to arbitrary changes in or ignoring of rubrics);

30 posted on 03/30/2013 12:27:55 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: keats5; Salvation
John 13, in my opinion, is not authority for the exclusion of women. From the King James Version and the Latin Vulgate:

13:4 He riseth from supper and layeth aside his garments and, having taken a towel, girded himself.
surgit a cena et ponit vestimenta sua et cum accepisset linteum praecinxit se
13: 5 After that, he putteth water into a basin and began to wash the feet of the disciples and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
deinde mittit aquam in pelvem et coepit lavare pedes discipulorum et extergere linteo quo erat praecinctus
13: 6 He cometh therefore to Simon Peter. And Peter saith to him: Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
venit ergo ad Simonem Petrum et dicit ei Petrus Domine tu mihi lavas pedes
13: 7 Jesus answered and said to him: What I do, thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
respondit Iesus et dicit ei quod ego facio tu nescis modo scies autem postea
13: 8 Peter saith to him: Thou shalt never wash my feet, Jesus answered him: If I wash thee not, thou shalt have no part with me.
dicit ei Petrus non lavabis mihi pedes in aeternum respondit Iesus ei si non lavero te non habes partem mecum
13: 9 Simon Peter saith to him: Lord, not only my feet, but also my hands and my head.
dicit ei Simon Petrus Domine non tantum pedes meos sed et manus et caput
13: 10 Jesus saith to him: He that is washed needeth not but to wash his feet, but is clean wholly. And you are clean, but not all.
dicit ei Iesus qui lotus est non indiget ut lavet sed est mundus totus et vos mundi estis sed non omnes
13: 11 For he knew who he was that would betray him; therefore he said: You are not all clean.
sciebat enim quisnam esset qui traderet eum propterea dixit non estis mundi omnes
13: 12 Then after he had washed their feet and taken his garments, being set down again, he said to them: Know you what I have done to you?
postquam ergo lavit pedes eorum et accepit vestimenta sua cum recubuisset iterum dixit eis scitis quid fecerim vobis
13: 13 You call me Master and Lord. And you say well: for so I am.
vos vocatis me magister et Domine et bene dicitis sum etenim
13: 14 If then I being your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; you also ought to wash one another's feet.
si ergo ego lavi vestros pedes Dominus et magister et vos debetis alter alterius lavare pedes
13: 15 For I have given you an example, that as I have done to you, so you do also.
exemplum enim dedi vobis ut quemadmodum ego feci vobis ita et vos faciatis




Where are the survivors of the massacre at Benghazi? The silence of the Obama Regime on this question is deafening!

Fiat Justitia, Ruat Coelum!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

31 posted on 03/30/2013 12:28:31 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: steve86

well... ultimately believers need to go about the business of who Christ is in the minds and hearts of all people. For without that questioned answered all else has no relevance when all is said and done.

Proclaiming ‘He’s Risen”..is the ultimate victory past, present and future....and for that all men have hope.


32 posted on 03/30/2013 12:33:13 PM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

I just call it political correctness and posturing, I may be wrong. All this does is give the other side justification to start the polemic of women priests. IMHO

I remember in past FR threads people quoting the Sacramentary instructions for Holy Thursday and the definition of the word Vir and so on, I guess it’s a moot topic now.


33 posted on 03/30/2013 12:51:44 PM PDT by Coleus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Coleus

vir and viri = men

I really encourage all men to step forward next Holy Thursday evening and volunteer to be one of the twelve washed by your priest.

Don’t hang back.


34 posted on 03/30/2013 1:02:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: ConorMacNessa

I didn’t post that as any type of authority for the exclusion of women. I was just posting what Jesus did and said about washing feet in general.


35 posted on 03/30/2013 1:18:16 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

Good take! People are getting FAR too caught up in the externals and forgetting the HEART of Christ! Jesus was often talked about in the same ways because of His actions.

We should never forget that.


36 posted on 03/30/2013 1:33:04 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: keats5
Understood, FRiend. I probably should not have addressed that post to you - it was not intended as criticism of you. I should have addressed it to Salvation only, or to "All."

If I offended you, I am truly sorry.



Where are the survivors of the massacre at Benghazi? The silence of the Obama Regime on this question is deafening!

Fiat Justitia, Ruat Coelum!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

37 posted on 03/30/2013 1:34:23 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

I think Pope Francis can give permission to wash women’s feet the same way Blessed John Paul II gave permission for female altar servers. I wish he had changed the law before he did this, though. I fear this is going to stoke false hope among the women’s ordination crowd. I used to write letters to the appropriate church authorities in the early 90s about liturgical abuses. I hope Pope Francis’ action won’t stoke a number of Catholic priests and liturgical people to say: We’ll celebrate Mass anyway we want.


38 posted on 03/30/2013 6:59:36 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

I really encourage all men to step forward next Holy Thursday evening and volunteer to be one of the twelve washed by your priest. >>

Yes, let the Holy Spirit be their guide and if so a little nudge too.


39 posted on 03/30/2013 7:19:23 PM PDT by Coleus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: ConorMacNessa

No offense taken. Just clarifying my own meaning. : )


40 posted on 03/30/2013 9:06:34 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Campion
The persons whose feet are being washed are supposed to represent the Apostles, not generic "people in need".

I don't agree. Jesus specifically said that the apostles were to do this for others; He didn't say just for other men. This was to show that they are to be servants, not masters.

This wasn't the same as Jesus sending the Apostles out on the Great Commission, to preach the Gospel, and consecrate the bread and wine to become His Body and Blood. THAT was the institution of the priesthood, and for that he did choose just men.

41 posted on 03/30/2013 9:11:33 PM PDT by SuziQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: muawiyah; cripplecreek

I think the tricky thing would be giving time, rather than money (or better yet, both). I get lazy and think it easier for me to give money rather than my time


42 posted on 03/31/2013 12:54:44 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

An interesting view on this can be found at:
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/03/have-we-entered-an-age-of-a-new-gnosticism/


43 posted on 03/31/2013 6:24:01 AM PDT by Rich21IE
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Campion

You sound remarkably like a Pharisee


44 posted on 04/14/2013 5:58:12 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson