(CNS/Paul Haring)
Posted on 04/17/2013 1:47:02 PM PDT by NYer
(CNS/Paul Haring) |
There is NOTHING in the documents of Vatican II about clown masses. Those and other silly twists are what the libs trotted out 'in the Spirit of Vatican II', in the years following the Council. MOST of what passes for Vatican II 'changes' in America are simply what liberals wanted to do, and did on their own.
I think, your criticism should be properly addressed to those who are "building a monument" to Vatican II, rather than to the Pope's remarks. Clearly, the movement is with those who are as unhappy with these fruits of the Vatican II as you are. Those who think that Vatican II is the sum total of Catholicism are on the defensive; it is them who want to preserve the clownchurch they built intact.
Many thanks for leading me to Rev. Know it All.
I know much more about how Vatican II was derailed.
I agree with most of your points. I disagree on whose fault it is:
Rome approved the NAB.
Rome lifted the abstinence of flesh meat on Fridays.
Rome, itself and to this day, refuses to publicly offer the Holy Mass ad Orientum.
Rome approved Extarordinarily Ugly Eucharsistic Monsters.
Rome approved Holy Communion in the Paw.
Rome approved altar girls.
Don’t blame it on the US bishops. The fish starts to rot at the head.
“The pope asked if Catholics have opened themselves to “that continuity of the church’s growth” that the council signified.”
The Church has grown since VC II? That’s news to me.
Note the adjustments made for the U. S.
Cleaning out of the U. S. Bishops started happening with Pope John Paul II, continued with Pope Benedict XVI, and is being furthered by Pope Francis.
Also Pope Francis, I believe is dealing with the cardinals.
Only acolytes here.....http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20030317_ordinamento-messale_en.html
No girls
Don't blame it on the US Bishops. Monkey see, monkey do.
Sure hope so.....Fr. Oko’s report was pretty devastating and it makes sense from all I have seen unfolding. The Truth has to be restored and the blurring of Right and Wrong has to end for the next generation, so they are not corrupted. The Catholic Church can not be Wishy-Washy, ever on sin. The dignity in the clergy and mass has to be restored and the Catholic Church could see greatness, again. I do pray for that.
I was raising four boys and involved in Catholic schools and knew something was really rotten in Denmark (Rome) but didn’t imagine the infiltration—although it really makes sense for Satan to target the Catholic Church (since it is the one, true, Apostolic Church) : )
We had an issue in our parish with a priest who was quietly “retired”. No one really knew anything.
The emasculation of the Church is the most serious issue now-—my three brothers—all raised in the Catholic Church will not set foot in it. Their parish is really feminized-—with mostly women everywhere—and altar girls....it is a sham and no wonder we have “nuns” clamoring for “women” priestesses.
I had to switch parishes-—it was so disturbing to me, because I “feel” the Marxism oozing out from the altar and the blurring of Truth and Natural Law. The ejection—literally, of Thomistic Theology-—and I love St. Thomas Aquinas and won’t abide his ejection.
Maybe I read too much —the Communist Manifesto and the philosophy of Nietzsche and Freud and Wundt-—to not know what these people/clergy are doing to the minds of little kids and the men-—the few that are left. Their ideas even warp the perceptions of women. It is evil.
The best way to destroy the Church is scare off the masculine, good men-—giving homosexuals free range in the seminaries has been devastating and corrupts and warps everything-—especially the policies of the organization-—and by eliminating the true “Protectors of the Faith”-—good, strong, principled men.
Homosexuals are intrinsically disordered which makes it really hard to “look” at human beings/men with dignity. It is really hard to overcome the intense attraction and they can not really be trusted to be in such close quarters with men or boy scouts. History is replete with “orgies” when homosexuals congregate and boys are the preferred objects as Fr. Oko’s report explains.
William Blake was correct: The eye that alters, alters all. With a warped worldview of human nature-—there is no way these people can be a member of the clergy, since it undermines everything in the Catholic Canon, since St. Thomas was adamant about Natural Law aligning with the Bible. Truth is Truth and the Laws of Nature are God’s Laws. It is no sacrifice for a priest to give up the sacrament of matrimony if he is “gay”. It becomes a joke. it warps every single relationship, especially with God.
VATICAN COMMUNICATION ON FEMALE ALTAR SERVERS/Congregation for Divine Worship
| VATICAN COMMUNICATION ON FEMALE ALTAR SERVERS |
| Congregation for Divine Worship |
| Following is the text of a communication sent from the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments to the presidents of episcopal conferences permitting altar girls. Rome, 15 March 1994 Excellence, It is my duty to communicate to the Presidents of the Episcopal Conferences that an authentic interpretation of Canon 230 #2 of the Code of Canon Law will soon be published in Acta Apostolicae Sedis. As you know, Canon 230 #2 lays down that: "Laici ex temporanea deputatione in actionibus liturgicis munus lectoris implere possunt; item omnes laici muneribus commentatoris, cantoris aliisve ad normam iuris fungi possunt." The Pontifical Council for the interpretation of Legislative Texts was recently asked if the liturgical functions which, according to the above canon, can be entrusted to the lay faithful, may be carried out equally by men and women, and if serving at the altar may be included among those functions, on a par with the others indicated by the canon. At its meeting of 30 June 1992, the members of the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts examined the following <dubium> which had been proposed to them: Utrum inter munera liturgica quibus laici, sive viri sive mulieres, iuxta C.I. C. Can. 230 #2, fungi possunt, adnumerari etiam possit servitium ad altare. The following response was given: "Affirmative et iuxta instructiones a Sede Apostolica dandas." Subsequently, at an Audience granted on 11 July 1992 to the Most Reverend Vincenzo Fagiolo, Archbishop Emeritus of Chieti-Vasto and President of the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts, Pope John Paul II confirmed the decision and ordered its promulgation. This will be done in the near future. In communicating the above information to your Episcopal Conference, I feel obliged to clarify certain aspects of Canon 230 #2 and of its authentic interpretation: 1) Canon 230 #2 has a permissive and not a preceptive character: "Laici . . . possunt." Hence the permission given in this regard by some Bishops can in no way be considered as binding on other Bishops. In fact, it is the competence of each Bishop, in his diocese, after hearing the opinion of the Episcopal Conference, to make a prudential judgment on what to do, with a view to the ordered development of liturgical life in his own diocese. 2) The Holy See respects the decision adopted by certain Bishops for specific local reasons on the basis of the provisions of Canon 230 2. At the same time, however, the Holy See wishes to recall that it will always be very appropriate to follow the noble tradition of having boys serve at the altar. As is well known, this has led to a reassuring development of priestly vocations. Thus the obligation to support such groups of altar boys will always continue. 3) If in some diocese, on the basis of Canon 230 #2, the Bishop permits that, for particular reasons, women may also serve at the altar, this decision must be clearly explained to the faithful, in the light of the above-mentioned norm. It shall also be made clear that the norm is already being widely applied, by the fact that women frequently serve as lectors in the Liturgy and can also be called upon to distribute Holy Communion as Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist and to carry out other functions, according to the provisions of the same Canon 230 #3. 4) It must also be clearly understood that the liturgical services mentioned above are carried out by lay people ex temporanea deputatione, according to the judgment of the Bishop, without lay people, be they men or women, having any right to exercise them. In communicating the above, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments has sought to carry out the mandate received from the Supreme Pontiff to provide directives to illustrate what is laid down in Canon 230 #2 of the Code of Canon Law and its authentic interpretation, which will shortly be published. In this way the Bishops will be better able to carry out their mission to be moderators and promoters of liturgical life in their own dioceses, within the framework of the norms in force of the Universal Church. In deep communion with all the members of your Episcopal Conference. I remain Yours sincerely in Christ, Cardinal Antonio Maria Javierre Ortas |
“Cleaning out of the U. S. Bishops started happening with Pope John Paul II, continued with Pope Benedict XVI, and is being furthered by Pope Francis.”
Sean O’Malley, friend of pro-aborts, was elevated to bishop by Pope John Paul II. He was further elevated to the College of Cardinals by Pope Benedict. Sean O’’Malley is now on Pope Francis’ Gang of Eight.
Sean O’’Malley threw a funeral fit for royalty for Ted Kennedy, the Patron “Saint” of Abortionists.
Are you the acting Bishop’s assistant? Do you know if Kennedy received the Anointing of the Sick? If so, did he go to Confession? If so, did he repent of his past sins?
How can we judge this situation?
I know I can’t, but Kennedy and God know the truth.
In no way do I condone anything at all that Kennedy did!!!
And I also think you know that I am probably one of the most pro-life FReepers on this board.
But I can’t be the judge of his soul, because I wasn’t there at his death.
Wishes are worthless if you don't pursue them.
“But I can’t be the judge of his soul, because I wasn’t there at his death.”
So if you were there at his death, you would have judged his soul? How “righteous” art thou!
Why are you continuing to calumniate the Pope, as if he scheduled the female servers?
I know at my church a lay person schedules the weekend Masses and I schedule the daily Masses. The priest has nothing to do with who is serving at the Mass.
At the Vatican there is a Master of Ceremonies and other priests assisting the Pope with these minor duties.
I really wish you would stop tarnishing past Popes images with what they probably had no control over.
Good night and may God bless you and open your heart.
“I really wish you would stop tarnishing past Popes images with what they probably had no control over.”
So Popes have no control over Masses they “celebrate”? If they can’t control that, what can they control?
The Council was flawed in its inception, as it did not address the primary errors of its day. It is a mockery to say that what is in those documents is the breathing of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit cannot be bridled and forced to promote liberal ideas, nor can it be saddled with equivocal language as the basis for Church teaching. We don’t have to wait another 50 years for this Council to prove itself, the fruits are all around us. Its time to rototill that rotten fruit under, burn the texts and scatter the ashes, prune and water the trees and vines, and pray the Church will recover from this unmitigated disaster known as VC II.
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