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Women-priest fakers allow Protestants [UCC] to define who Catholics are. There must be consequences.
What Does The Prayer Really Say ^ | 4/28/2013 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 04/28/2013 8:56:28 AM PDT by markomalley

When anti-Catholic ecumenical atrocities take place, Catholic bishops should act.

Here is an example which calls for consequences.

From WTAX in Kentucky:

Kentucky woman ordained as priest in defiance of Roman Catholic Church [Note either the carelessness or the bias? She was not ordained as anything.]

By Mary Wisniewski

LOUISVILLE, Kentucky (Reuters) – In an emotional ceremony filled with tears and applause, a 70-year-old Kentucky woman was ordained a priest [No.  She went through a fake ceremony.] on Saturday as part of a dissident group operating outside of official Roman Catholic Church authority. [Liberals often use the word

When anti-Catholic ecumenical atrocities take place, Catholic bishops should act.

Here is an example which calls for consequences.

From WTAX in Kentucky:

Kentucky woman ordained as priest in defiance of Roman Catholic Church [Note either the carelessness or the bias? She was not ordained as anything.]

By Mary Wisniewski

LOUISVILLE, Kentucky (Reuters) – In an emotional ceremony filled with tears and applause, a 70-year-old Kentucky woman was ordained a priest [No.  She went through a fake ceremony.] on Saturday as part of a dissident group operating outside of official Roman Catholic Church authority. [Liberals often use the word "official" as code.  Watch for code.]

Rosemarie Smead is one of about 150 women around the world who have decided not to wait for the Roman Catholic Church to lift its ban on women priests, but to be ordained and start their own congregations.

In an interview before the ceremony, Smead said she is not worried about being excommunicated from the Church – the fate of other women ordained outside of Vatican law.

“It has no sting for me,” said Smead, a petite, gray-haired former Carmelite nun with a ready hug for strangers. [What slop.] “It is a Medieval bullying stick the bishops used to keep control over people and to keep the voices of women silent. I am way beyond letting octogenarian men tell us how to live our lives.” [Wayyyy beyond.]

The ordination of women as priests, along with the issues of married priests and birth control, represents one of the big divides between U.S. Catholics and the Vatican hierarchy. [And it is the writer's objective to widen the divide. Note also how the "issues" are not easily related.] Seventy percent of U.S. Catholics believe that women should be allowed to be priests, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll earlier this year.

The former pope, Benedict XVI, reaffirmed the Catholic Church’s ban on women priests ["ban  on women priests" requires the premise that there is such a thing as a woman priest.  There isn't.] and warned that he would not tolerate disobedience by clerics on fundamental teachings. Male priests have been stripped of their holy orders [No.  That's impossible.  Holy Orders confer an indelible mark on the soul that can't be "stripped".  They have been "stripped" of permission to function as a priest.] for participating in ordination ceremonies for women.

In a statement last week, Louisville Archbishop Joseph E. Kurtz called the planned ceremony by the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests a “simulated ordination” in opposition to Catholic teaching.

“The simulation of a sacrament carries very serious penal sanctions in Church law, and Catholics should not support or participate in Saturday’s event,” Kurtz said.

The Catholic Church teaches that it has no authority to allow women to be priests because Jesus Christ chose only men as his apostles. Proponents of a female priesthood said Jesus was acting only according to the customs of his time.

They also note that he chose women, like Mary Magdalene, as disciples, and that the early Church had women priests, deacons and bishops. [Which is not true.]

[HERE, folks, is a big problem....] The ceremony, held at St. Andrew United Church of Christ in Louisville, was attended by about 200 men and women. Many identified themselves to a Reuters reporter as Catholics, but some declined to give their names or their churches.

[...]

The rest of the piece is rubbish.

Here’s the bottom line.  Antics like this should have consequences for ecumenical dialogue.

The women’s ordination thing is silliness.  It is a circus.

A Protestant church hosted the circus.  They gave the Catholic Church the finger.

There should be consequences.

We either take ecumenism seriously or we don’t. If we do – and I believe we must –  we have to react strongly when ecumenical ideals are so grossly violated by Protestants who invite or permit these “women priest” ceremonies in their churches.

The most sacred rites of the Catholic Church are Holy Mass and ordination to Holy Orders.

They effectively trampled rites that we Catholics hold as sacred.

These silly Catholic women-priest supporters are committing sacrilege in simulating Mass and Orders.

However, the Protestants who host them are assisting in a mockery of our Holy Mass and a mockery of our priesthood.

For a long time progressivist Catholics were staging Jewish sedar meals in their churches.  Some Jews were angered by this.  We got the message from the Jews and stopped doing what was offensive to them.

By allowing this group of fakers into their churches, those Protestants accepted the premise that what those women play at is actually a Catholic ordination and a Mass.

How dare PROTESTANTS decide what a Catholic Mass is?

And if they respond, “Gee, we mean no disrespect. We are just giving space to this group”, then what they are doing is aiding a protest against the Catholic Church.

There is no way around this.

Protestants who give these fakers aid are either on their side, and thus support their claim that what they are doing really is an ordination and Mass, or in claiming not to be taking sides they are still giving support to an anti-Catholic protest.

Bishops have to take action when offensive, anti-Catholic things like this take place.

Upon hearing the news that this ceremony is going to take place (or has taken place), the local Catholic bishop must call the pastor of that Protestant parish and say, “I’m the Catholic Bishop.  Do not allow this sacrilege to be committed in your church. You wouldn’t do this for a group of dissident Jews wanting to ordain rabbis, but we are Catholics so you don’t care what offense you give us.  Until an apology is issued, don’t look for us to dialogue with you again.”

Then that Catholic bishop should call the head of the denomination and convey the same message.

Then that Catholic Bishop should an informative note to the USCCB’s ecumenical office, to the CDF and to the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity to let them know the facts of the sacrileges that took place and who helped them.

Then that Catholic bishop should call the press and give them his view about the offense the Protestants gave and the damage they inflicted on ecumenical dialogue.

True ecumenism does not consist in lying down and letting some other church kick you and define what Mass is for you, or say who can be ordained, or stick their “F-You” finger in your face by hosting these sacrilegious fakers."official" as code.  Watch for code.]

Rosemarie Smead is one of about 150 women around the world who have decided not to wait for the Roman Catholic Church to lift its ban on women priests, but to be ordained and start their own congregations.

In an interview before the ceremony, Smead said she is not worried about being excommunicated from the Church – the fate of other women ordained outside of Vatican law.

“It has no sting for me,” said Smead, a petite, gray-haired former Carmelite nun with a ready hug for strangers. [What slop.] “It is a Medieval bullying stick the bishops used to keep control over people and to keep the voices of women silent. I am way beyond letting octogenarian men tell us how to live our lives.” [Wayyyy beyond.]

The ordination of women as priests, along with the issues of married priests and birth control, represents one of the big divides between U.S. Catholics and the Vatican hierarchy. [And it is the writer's objective to widen the divide. Note also how the "issues" are not easily related.] Seventy percent of U.S. Catholics believe that women should be allowed to be priests, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll earlier this year.

The former pope, Benedict XVI, reaffirmed the Catholic Church’s ban on women priests ["ban  on women priests" requires the premise that there is such a thing as a woman priest.  There isn't.] and warned that he would not tolerate disobedience by clerics on fundamental teachings. Male priests have been stripped of their holy orders [No.  That's impossible.  Holy Orders confer an indelible mark on the soul that can't be "stripped".  They have been "stripped" of permission to function as a priest.] for participating in ordination ceremonies for women.

In a statement last week, Louisville Archbishop Joseph E. Kurtz called the planned ceremony by the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests a “simulated ordination” in opposition to Catholic teaching.

“The simulation of a sacrament carries very serious penal sanctions in Church law, and Catholics should not support or participate in Saturday’s event,” Kurtz said.

The Catholic Church teaches that it has no authority to allow women to be priests because Jesus Christ chose only men as his apostles. Proponents of a female priesthood said Jesus was acting only according to the customs of his time.

They also note that he chose women, like Mary Magdalene, as disciples, and that the early Church had women priests, deacons and bishops. [Which is not true.]

[HERE, folks, is a big problem....] The ceremony, held at St. Andrew United Church of Christ in Louisville, was attended by about 200 men and women. Many identified themselves to a Reuters reporter as Catholics, but some declined to give their names or their churches.

[...]

The rest of the piece is rubbish.

Here’s the bottom line.  Antics like this should have consequences for ecumenical dialogue.

The women’s ordination thing is silliness.  It is a circus.

A Protestant church hosted the circus.  They gave the Catholic Church the finger.

There should be consequences.

We either take ecumenism seriously or we don’t. If we do – and I believe we must –  we have to react strongly when ecumenical ideals are so grossly violated by Protestants who invite or permit these “women priest” ceremonies in their churches.

The most sacred rites of the Catholic Church are Holy Mass and ordination to Holy Orders.

They effectively trampled rites that we Catholics hold as sacred.

These silly Catholic women-priest supporters are committing sacrilege in simulating Mass and Orders.

However, the Protestants who host them are assisting in a mockery of our Holy Mass and a mockery of our priesthood.

For a long time progressivist Catholics were staging Jewish sedar meals in their churches.  Some Jews were angered by this.  We got the message from the Jews and stopped doing what was offensive to them.

By allowing this group of fakers into their churches, those Protestants accepted the premise that what those women play at is actually a Catholic ordination and a Mass.

How dare PROTESTANTS decide what a Catholic Mass is?

And if they respond, “Gee, we mean no disrespect. We are just giving space to this group”, then what they are doing is aiding a protest against the Catholic Church.

There is no way around this.

Protestants who give these fakers aid are either on their side, and thus support their claim that what they are doing really is an ordination and Mass, or in claiming not to be taking sides they are still giving support to an anti-Catholic protest.

Bishops have to take action when offensive, anti-Catholic things like this take place.

Upon hearing the news that this ceremony is going to take place (or has taken place), the local Catholic bishop must call the pastor of that Protestant parish and say, “I’m the Catholic Bishop.  Do not allow this sacrilege to be committed in your church. You wouldn’t do this for a group of dissident Jews wanting to ordain rabbis, but we are Catholics so you don’t care what offense you give us.  Until an apology is issued, don’t look for us to dialogue with you again.”

Then that Catholic bishop should call the head of the denomination and convey the same message.

Then that Catholic Bishop should an informative note to the USCCB’s ecumenical office, to the CDF and to the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity to let them know the facts of the sacrileges that took place and who helped them.

Then that Catholic bishop should call the press and give them his view about the offense the Protestants gave and the damage they inflicted on ecumenical dialogue.

True ecumenism does not consist in lying down and letting some other church kick you and define what Mass is for you, or say who can be ordained, or stick their “F-You” finger in your face by hosting these sacrilegious fakers.


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1 posted on 04/28/2013 8:56:28 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
They aren't Catholic. Simple as that. If they want to join Obama's church, that's their choice.

As far as UCC goes, I don't tell them how to run their organization. Back the hell off of ours.

2 posted on 04/28/2013 9:01:00 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: markomalley

I love Fr Z


3 posted on 04/28/2013 9:06:36 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: markomalley

But didnt Jesus Himself,Ask a woman to preach the gospel “IE HE is Risen” to the disciples?


4 posted on 04/28/2013 9:11:07 AM PDT by Craftmore
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To: markomalley

I was born a Protestant, lived as a Protestant and will die as a Protestant and I have never worried one moment that the Roman church wants an all male priesthood. I personally, and from what I understand scriptually, support an all male priesthood whether Catholic or Protestant.


5 posted on 04/28/2013 9:11:07 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: markomalley

They may be “protestant” in the sense that they are protesting the Roman Catholic Church, but they aren’t Protestants in the historic reformational sense of that word. Reformed Protestants have no more in common with the UCC and this group of faux-Catholics than we do with the Pope. I suspect we couldn’t agree on the day of the week.


6 posted on 04/28/2013 9:14:45 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Darren McCarty

UCC is not even remotely Christian, being further to the left than even ECUSA. BTW, Marty Haugen is UCC, so why is he in any Catholic Hymnal?


7 posted on 04/28/2013 9:19:34 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Craftmore
Catholic women preach and teach. God knows *I* do. By that doesn't mean that women are Catholic deacons, priests, and bishops.

I presume *you* teach. (Writing stuff in FR is an aspect of that.) Does that make you a Catholic deacon, priest, or bishop?

8 posted on 04/28/2013 9:29:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: markomalley

I’m in complete agreement that Roman Catholics are entitled to define themselves on their own terms, so why the lashing out at “Protestants” when dealing with your own behaving disobediently?

It’s disingenuous and misleading. Why? Is there some fear that the secular world might figure out that there is actual disagreement in the ranks, as if a bunch of sedes fanning out onto internet forums to bellow about Vatican II isn’t already doing that?

Stop slinging mud at potential allies, is my suggestion.


9 posted on 04/28/2013 9:32:39 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Fred Hayek
BTW, Marty Haugen is UCC, so why is he in any Catholic Hymnal?

Don't get me started.But the Catholics are confused about hymnody - what it is, what it's for, when to do it, how to do it, etc.

I think that the "spirit of Vatican II" created a space for Catholic dissidents to act out, and one of their favorite places to do it is with their heretical "hymns", like "Sing a New Church Into Being".

Catholic hymn-haters are reacting to this Delores Dufner/Marty Haugen/Dan Schutte garbage. Most of the Catholics in our parish take Isaac Watts as one of their own. Our hymnal, among the trio above, Negro spirituals, and Spanish jibber-jabber, has about twenty singable hymns.

I mean, how perverse is it to steal the melody of "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing" and turn it into a protest song??

My view is this: Maybe Mass should have hymns, maybe it shouldn't. Since the congregation doesn't sing anyway, it seems kinda pointless.

But if they DO have hymns, they should have real ones. 500 years of English hymnody has created quite a list to choose from.

10 posted on 04/28/2013 9:34:02 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Darren McCarty
If they want to join Obama’s church, that's their choice

“Obama’s Chechens have come home to roost”

11 posted on 04/28/2013 9:35:20 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight,, he'll just kill you.)
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To: markomalley; metmom; Alex Murphy
< Looking right> No women in the pulpit here < Looking left> No woman in the pulpit there.

Sorry. This looks like another Papist issue that FRoman Catholics try to blame on true Protestants. Need to quit blaming us and get your own house in order.

12 posted on 04/28/2013 9:38:40 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." —R.C. Sproul)
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To: Craftmore

How many women did Christ ordain to the Priesthood?


13 posted on 04/28/2013 9:44:05 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: RegulatorCountry
It’s disingenuous and misleading.

Incorrect. It's an accurate definition, your thin skin notwithstanding.

1 prot·es·tant noun \ˈprä-təs-tənt, 2 is also prə-ˈtes-\

1 capitalized

a: any of a group of German princes and cities presenting a defense of freedom of conscience against an edict of the Diet of Spires in 1529 intended to suppress the Lutheran movement

b: a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth; broadly: a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church

2: one who makes or enters a protest

14 posted on 04/28/2013 9:48:43 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Gamecock

Shouldn’t you be watching Seinfeld reruns?


15 posted on 04/28/2013 9:49:42 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I remember nothing in my Bible that says He made disciples priests either,can you show me chapter and verse?


16 posted on 04/28/2013 9:52:53 AM PDT by Craftmore
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To: markomalley

Seems like he was pretty specific, ‘a protestant church’,’those protestants’, that Protestant parish, ‘the head of the denomination,’ the Protestants who host them’, Protestants who give these fakers aid .’

Can’t see why anyone would get upset if none of those apply, and I can’t see it applying to any Protestant Freepers. Oh wait, gotcha, a Catholic, no matter how conservative, said something about a bunch of liberal Protestant wackaddoos. What a monster.

Freegards


17 posted on 04/28/2013 9:54:56 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: A.A. Cunningham

... and this Roman Catholic woman acting in defiance of her own church falls under which of those three definitions? None of them.

The use of “thin skinned” as a negative description of those with which one agrees is disingenuous and misleading, too.

This woman and those who enabled her are not in any way Protestant. They are professing Roman Catholics who are disobeying the leadership of their church.

If you’d like to disassociate yourselves from them for this disobedience, I suggest doing so, rather than attempting to make them appear to be something they’re not.


18 posted on 04/28/2013 9:55:21 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: A.A. Cunningham

They are protestants only in the broadest sense of that term. Indeed they are protesting your pope and defying the historic teaching of the Roman Catholics, but neither the UCC nor these nominal Catholics accept “Reformation principles of justification by faith alone,” which was the fulcrum on which the Reformation turned. I suspect they wouldn’t have the slightest undertanding of the historic Protestant understanding of justification. And it is that doctrine, more than any other, which unites Protestants.


19 posted on 04/28/2013 10:02:11 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: RegulatorCountry

Excellent post.

Does anyone else see the irony in attacking a Protestant group (left wing though it is) for attempting to define Catholicism by attempting to define Protestantism in return?

Conservative Catholics and conservative Protestants stand shoulder to shoulder socially and morally. Articles like this serve no useful purpose than to divide the Body of Christ.

The UCC no more defines Protestantism than this splinter group defines the Roman Church.


20 posted on 04/28/2013 10:02:46 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; metmom; Larry Lucido; F15Eagle

Now that is a useful comment. I thought we were talking about transexual Roman Catholic nuns.

Now if you want to discuss the Latvian Orthodox church....


21 posted on 04/28/2013 10:08:43 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." —R.C. Sproul)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“How many women did Christ ordain to the Priesthood?”


All of them, and all the men too, by virtue of making us all a peculiar people and a holy priesthood through joining His body. But does that mean a woman should be ordained as an elder to teach in a church? The scripture clearly forbids it.


22 posted on 04/28/2013 10:09:28 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Indeed, you are correct, the New Covenant did away with the need for the old levitical priesthood as all born-again believers are priests, whether male or female.

Speaking to Christians in general, the apostle Peter wrote:

“You also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. ... “

“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” I Peter 2:6, 9


23 posted on 04/28/2013 10:14:39 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

In I Corinthians 14.34-35, St. Paul says that women should keep silent in church.


24 posted on 04/28/2013 10:17:34 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Gamecock

Now if you want to discuss the Latvian Orthodox church...
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I tried BUT due to ‘kavorka’ etc, they rejected me.

Today that could be deemed as ‘prejudiced’????


25 posted on 04/28/2013 10:19:13 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --I turn 75 next year- but remember, that's only 24 Celsius. (TKS R. Reagan))
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Is there actual evidence that the United Church of Christ sanctioned this or did they just rent the church hall? Happens all the time.

I'll come right out and say, female pastors or priests when imposed organizationally make me very uncomfortable to the point of outright opposition. I've only had one close exposure, and that was via the church funeral service for the father of an old friend. I've in the past strayed from my Christian upbringing and have associated with “alternative” religious sorts including Wiccans. That woman was. I know the tropes, the gestures, the general vibe.

Then again, I also know women with very successful lay ministries, who have led many souls to Christ. One of them ended up with a regular meeting that could I suppose be regarded as a church. This was not imposed, it was through acclamation and consent. There is a distinction between the two to me, and a strong one.

Roman Catholics determine their own priesthood however. They do not permit female priests, this woman was acting in defiance of her church.

Simple as that. What is done in response won't be nearly so simple and clear-cut though. Witness the impulse to blame outsiders while not distancing themselves from the actual problem. It's a peculiar impulse that I've seen many times under differing circumstances, and I can't claim to understand it at all.

26 posted on 04/28/2013 10:20:52 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: markomalley
Male priests have been stripped of their holy orders for participating in ordination ceremonies for women.

They should take such action against priests who homosexually rape children.

27 posted on 04/28/2013 10:32:13 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I’m in complete agreement that Roman Catholics are entitled to define themselves on their own terms, so why the lashing out at “Protestants” when dealing with your own behaving disobediently?

Good question. How did this become a Protestant issue?

28 posted on 04/28/2013 10:35:01 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
How many women did Christ ordain to the Priesthood?

How many MEN did Jesus ordain into priesthood?

Find me one verse of Scripture that shows that Jesus ordained ANYONE into ANY priesthood.

29 posted on 04/28/2013 10:37:18 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Craftmore

Are you being sarcastic?

The women were witnesses, martyrs and that role has always been open to women.

Priesthood is derived from the 12 Apostles, period. Plenty of others are witnesses, testes, martyrs, disciples. Even the word “apostle” is sometimes used more widely in the NT.

But the Twelve chosen apostles were a distinct group. Only to them did Jesus give the authority to govern (bind and loose sins, accompanied by ordination in John’s Gospel—he breathed on them and conferred the Holy Spirit explicitly) and preach with apostolic authority.

An honest Protestant will recognize a distinct role for the 12, distinct from other disciples and witnesses. We are all witnesses, we are not all ordained priests. We are all baptismal priests. We are all ministers, witnesses, martyrs, testes, testifiers.

If you don’t accept Catholic and Orthodox teaching on the derivation of bishops and priests from the Twelve, fine. But then you don’t believe in priesthood. Fine.

Preaching with apostolic authority is not the same as giving a testimony or witnessing. Jesus authorized the Twelve to lead His Ecclesia. If you are a Protestant, you derive a general ministry from that. Fine.

But Catholics derive from that the specific episcopacy and priesthood.

At the time of the Reformation all the Protestant Reformers explicitly rejected the concept of priesthood as derived from the Twelve. (Anglicans retained it initially, rejected it in the 1550s, then tried to claim it back in later centuries; too late).

Those who rejected the idea of priesthood have nothing to say to what qualifies a person as a priest.

And should butt out.


30 posted on 04/28/2013 10:39:20 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: metmom

John 20:21-23.


31 posted on 04/28/2013 10:40:43 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: metmom

Since you don’t like and don’t believe in priesthood, kindlly butt out of this discussion.


32 posted on 04/28/2013 10:41:22 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Colonel_Flagg

On this issue Protestants defined themselves knowingly and deliberately in the 16thc. All the Protestant Reformers rejected episcopacy, one of the few things they agreed on.

You made your bed, so lie in it.


33 posted on 04/28/2013 10:42:56 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Colonel_Flagg

You share with the UCC the rejection of ordained priesthood.

Which
is
the
issue
here.


34 posted on 04/28/2013 10:44:24 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Colonel_Flagg

The idea that all protestantism is like the UCC is like saying all Catholics are social justice commies.


35 posted on 04/28/2013 11:01:23 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: markomalley
(yes, my asbestos suit is on)

Asbestos is not imputed.

36 posted on 04/28/2013 11:02:31 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Fred Hayek

Another person that I won’t join in with at church. Already will not sing for someone who outed himself as a homosexual and has songs (they aren’t hymns) in the OCP book.

BTW, pray for Archbishop Alexander Sample, our new Archbishop here in Oregon — that he might dissolve OCP.


37 posted on 04/28/2013 11:10:49 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: metmom
Oh, dear metmom, I have sent this to you before. On Easter morning -- I think it is the third time that Jesus appears to the apostles -- 11 of them.

(Jesus) said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained." [JN 20:21-23]


38 posted on 04/28/2013 11:16:37 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

Some of the worst and nastiest writing was the blanket use of the word Protestant to describe who you are angry at for this issue, just name the denomination, not almost all Christians on earth that aren’t Catholic as the villain in this little story.

The church this guy is annoyed at doesn’t even have a million members, his writing seems to be more of an attack on Christians in general in America, than an attack on the denomination that he is supposed to be angry at.


39 posted on 04/28/2013 11:26:10 AM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: Houghton M.

Priesthood is derived from the Holy Sacrifice of The Mass. Where the celebrant acts “in the persona of Christ” and that is why only unmarried males can be priests. The Eucharist is the center of all Catholic worship. It is the focal point of any Church. This is the great divide between Catholicism and every other brand of Christianity.


40 posted on 04/28/2013 11:42:44 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: markomalley

I suggest that when Catholics discuss the fake priests, they refer to them as “Imams”. Even refer to their organization as “Association of former Roman Catholic Women Imams.”

This actually works from several directions, if you think about it.


41 posted on 04/28/2013 11:46:39 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: markomalley

Is there anybody out there who think that the Catholic Church has the right to determine who shall be priests? God can determine anything. People can make up their own story, but in the end, God determines what happens. Protestants can also make up their own story and have been since Henry the Eighth. They have been thinking that they have a church when, in fact, they are keeping the wants of an inherent philanderer as if it were gospel. When will the people see that he was nothing but a seeker of earthly lust and nothing else? He was a slob who led a lot of people wrong.


42 posted on 04/28/2013 11:48:48 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: RegulatorCountry
"It's a peculiar impulse that I've seen many times under differing circumstances, and I can't claim to understand it at all."

I believe it's called 'shooting the messenger'.

43 posted on 04/28/2013 11:52:17 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: Houghton M.

Blam.

I’ll consider myself duly shot, even though I agree with the Catholic Church’s position on female priests.

But you go right on shooting. I’ll do you a lot of good when you’re the only one left standing.


44 posted on 04/28/2013 11:53:53 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

BUMP

It is amazing how they slime all protestants, knowing their next post will be about how we should stand with them against leftist attackers.


45 posted on 04/28/2013 11:55:23 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Thank you.

The whole point should be for conservative Christians to bind together when we need each other’s support more than ever. This isn’t a doctrinal thing. My own evangelical church holds the same position on female pastors as the Catholic Church does on female priests.

Surely we can build on that?


46 posted on 04/28/2013 11:58:59 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

You would think so.


47 posted on 04/28/2013 12:01:29 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: markomalley

Fr John doth protest too much. And he said it repeatedly about ten times in the article. Nobody cares what these idiots did in Louisville. No different than the nude women protesting in Belgium. Archbishop Andre-Joseph Leonard, remained calmly seated with eyes closed in prayer Tuesday as four topless women attacked him with shouts and curses and doused him with water.

Fr John should take note...


48 posted on 04/28/2013 12:04:41 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Houghton M.

If you’re not going to post the text, I am not looking it up.


49 posted on 04/28/2013 1:20:55 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Houghton M.

50 posted on 04/28/2013 1:21:42 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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