Posted on 05/12/2013 5:55:26 PM PDT by narses
He WAS?
Seems a bit restrictive to me; when the PLAIN LANGUAGE says...
Good point!
I've illustrated the OLD; with IT's 'requirements.
I've also shown the Letter to the Gentiles.
Perhaps someone else can post the legal writing of the NEW for us.
Yup; written to the JEWISHs: the one's mention in the OLD Covenant.
I predict CEREAL in your future!
Right; MORMONs?
It's MOONday - get to work!
Seems like there could easily be a day or two shift such that today's Sunday doesn't perfectly align (EXACTLY some large multiple of 7 day weeks ago) with the Sunday of ancient history.
The point was not the first day, but the closing of their worship day, the Sabbath, that was the center of their activities. Every mention of the first day in the NT is of this nature. The first day never had any significance to them of its own.
The reference was not to your person.
Ah. Well, I am not a good person to ask about that. I never pay attention to those angles. I don’t believe the days have to perfectly align.
It isn’t magic that happens on one particular day over the other, it is a deep understanding of God’s ways and plans for us.
I am really only interested in what the Sabbath means and why.
Understanding that has been a huge blessing to me.
I do hope you find your answer.
Not when you read it in the Greek....he didn't!
[I Corinthians 16:2] Κατὰ down/according to/as per (+acc), against (+gen) μίαν one (acc) { σαββάτων sabbaths (gen) ♦ σαββάτου sabbath (gen) } ἕκαστος each (of two) (nom) ὑμῶν you(pl) (gen) παρ’ beside (+acc,+gen,+dat) ἑαυτῷ him-/her-/itself (dat) τιθέτω let-him/her/it-be-PLACE-ing! , θησαυρίζων while TREASURE UP-ing (nom) ὅ τι who-/whom-/whichever (nom|acc) { ἂν ever ♦ ἐὰν if-ever } εὐοδῶται he/she/it-should-be-being-PROSPER-ed , ἵνα so that / in order to /because μή not , ὅταν whenever ἔλθω I-should-COME , τότε then { λογίαι collections (nom|voc); eloquent ([Adj] nom|voc) ♦ λογεῖαι collections (nom|voc) } γίνωνται they-should-be-being-BECOME/HAPPEN-ed .
Same example as I gave in post #49. Paul is speaking of the First Sabbath between Passover and Pentecost. He expected to stay in Ephesus until Pentecost (verse 8) so you can see the timeline.
μίαν σαββάτων does not mean "First day of the week"....no matter how much you wish to twist it. It means "First of the Sabbaths" and there were seven of them between Passover and Pentecost [Leviticus 23:15-16]. Paul speaks of the first one.
Nice try....but no cigar!
16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath "days": 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body "is" of Christ.
I've highlighted two words in this passage which have been inserted by the translators to bring the Greek more in line with their settled theology. These words are shown in italics in your KJV.
But first.....ask yourself.....why does Paul make this statement....leaving it somewhat muddled as he does? Why didn't he clearly say one way or the other that these practices were now unnecessary? The Colossian Church was a Gentile Church so this would have been a terrific opportunity for Paul to make it very plain that these practices were no longer binding upon Yahweh's people. This Epistle could have been the defining moment for this new theology......the abolition of Sabbath observances and any and all recognition of dietary regulations!
But Paul......nowhere in this Book (or any other scripture) says that. What does he say instead? What question is he here addressing? Looking at the rest of the chapter it becomes very clear that the subject is something entirely different.
The issues are; [2:4] Men beguiling you with enticing words; [2:8] Men spoiling you with philosophy and deceit....after the traditions of the world and not after Christ; [2:18] False humility of mankind and "Angel" worship; [2:22] Commandments and doctrines of men. So....these are the hallmarks of [Colossians 2] and they all deal with issues from mankind....not Yahweh. Was Paul a Liar? Was he an idiot? You evidently think that Paul doesn't know that the Holy Days listed in scripture [Leviticus 23] were created by Yahweh. You probably think that Paul was uneducated and didn't know scripture from a hill of beans because you obviously believe that Paul thinks the "Word of Yahweh" is a rudiment of this world.
If you believe that Paul is saying that these Yahweh ordained, Yahweh commanded Holy Days are a "rudiment of this world, philosophy of men and vain human deceit", it is direct blasphemy against Yahweh....or a simple exercise in human deception.
What you need to understood here is that Paul is addressing "ascetic Gnosticism" which had begun to creep into the Colossian Church. He had been informed of it by Epaphras [Colossians 1:7] who had evangelized the Colossian Church and was currently visiting Paul in Rome while Paul was incarcerated. Paul had never been to Colossae but was well aware of the problems there.
The Colossian coverts to Christianity had previously been pagan idol worshipers and adherents of Greek asceticism and were now being criticized by their pagan neighbors for doing what?
[Colossians 2:16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days
They were being ostracized by their pagan neighbors for doing exactly what you folks think Paul was telling them not to do. Think! They never did these things before so why would Paul even mention them? What this verse really teaches is....."Don't let these pagan gnostics JUDGE you for HOW you are keeping YAHWEH'S holy days". In other words.....it's an affirmation that these folks were actually observing Yahweh's ordained dietary restrictions and his ordained Sabbaths. They had been taught these things by Epaphras [4:12][Philemon 23].
By cautioning the Colossian Christian converts to not let others judge them how they observed these things is proof they were indeed observing them! Paul wasn't questioning them in whether or not they should be kept. The obvious implication is.....they were keeping them.....and....Paul did not tell them to stop!
Now.....about the added words of the translators. Let's read the verse as the Holy Spirit inspired it....without the added words of the KJV translators.
[Colossians 2:16-17] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths (plural) which are a shadow of things to come..... but the body of Christ.
Paul is saying, Don't let anybody criticize you for observing Yahweh's dietary laws and specially ordained Feast days (SABBATWN) except members of the Church! That's what the "Body of Christ" is......the church! The word "days" doesn't even appear in the Greek manuscript. It is simply referring to Yahweh's Holy Sabbaths (SABBATWN).
If Paul had been writing about the weekly Sabbath he would have used the word SABBATON (σάββατον).....not SABBATWN (σαββάτων). SABBATWN is a plural word meaning "Specially ordained Sabbaths" [Colossians 2:16] i.e. Passover, Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement and Tabernacles! The singular is SABBATW [John 7:23] and its adjective is SABBATOU [John 19:31].
Sabbaton is the Greek for a weekly Sabbath [Matthew 12:5]. Its plural is SABBATA [Acts 17:2] and its adjective is SABBISON [Matthew 12:1]
Right out of the gate, Mr Martin fails the test of a true prophet of God as Mr Martin does what every trained false prophet does, he stops right before the conclusion of the matter which reveals the truth.
Act 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath."
James clearly reveals here that it is on the 7th day Sabbath that those in Galatia would hear the truth, learn the truth in order to walk the truth. The Word of God put on flesh as our example of how to walk without sin and without deceit in our mouths just as He did.
1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: 22 "WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH"; ... 25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.
Eze 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them. 13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, 'which, if a man does, he shall live by them'; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them. 14 But I acted for My name's sake, that it should not be profaned before the Gentiles, in whose sight I had brought them out.23 “Also, I Myself lifted My hand in an oath to those in the wilderness, to scatter them among the gentiles and disperse them throughout the lands, 24 because they had not done My right-rulings, and they rejected My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths, and their eyes were on their fathers’ idols. 25 “And I also gave them up to laws that were not good, and right-rulings by which they would not live."
Heb 4:2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "SO I SWORE IN MY WRATH, 'THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS"; ... 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. ... 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Act 5:29 But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: "We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. 31 Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him."
The first part of the His fruit is love. Love is defined as obedience towards all that God gave mankind to obey in order to be a special treasure to Him, a royal priesthood under the authority of the High Priest, our Master Yeshua Messiah. If the High Priest is the Master of the Father's seventh day Sabbath, then as special treasures of a royal priesthood to God the Father, then it only makes sense that we His royal priesthood would show up for duty on His day to do His good works.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Tit 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. 17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
No, the Holy Spirit focus on the beginning of the first day, and it is during that time that the preaching service takes place, and on that day the Lord also met with disciples after the resurrection. But that you do either day to honor the Lord is the main thing, unless you think those do not keep the 7th day are all lost.
****[Matthew 28:1][Mark 16:2][John 20:1]..........check your lexicons and you’ll see that the day of resurrection was on the “First of the Sabbaths” between Passover and Pentecost. There were seven...................[Leviticus 23:15-16]. ****
Lets look at what REAL GREEK SCHOLARS have to say about the issue by referring to their works.
600 years of real Greek scholarship and real translators, not someone who had a dream about the throne of God and a lit up commandment.
Nestles Greek Text: Matt 28:1...But late of (the) sabbaths, at the dawning on toward one of the sabbaths,=THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, came Mary the Magdaline....
Geneva Bible note on Matt 28:1
At the going out of the Sabbath, that is, about daybreak after the Romans count, which reckon the natural day from the sun rising to the next sun rising; and not as the Hebrews, which count from evening to evening.
When the morning of the first day after the Sabbath beganne to dawne: and that first day is the same, which we now call Sunday, or the Lords day.
Again, Thayer, Vine’s and Strongs along with the Companion Bible notes, Geneva, KJV ( English Cambridge and Oxford) and others does not stand with you. Not even the RV or NASB.
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***His Book: From Sabbath to Sunday: A Historical Investigation of the Rise of Sunday Observance in Early Christianity
by Samuele Bacchiocchi
***From Sabbath to Sunday has the distinction of being the first book written by a non-Catholic ever to be published by a Pontifical press with the Catholic imprimatur (approval).***
Would you REALLY trust a man who got his book printed by the organization the SDA church considers THE BEAST of Revelation (666)? I see some irony here!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar
And just why shouldn’t New Years day REALLY be December 21st; when the days begin to get longer again?
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