Thoughts for Catholics impacted by the Boy Scouts of America membership policies

canonlawblog ^ | May 26, 2013 | Edward Peters, JD, JCD, Ref. Sig. Ap.

[353FMG]

>You cannot in good conscience remain a Catholic and support or belong to the Boy Scouts.<

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You got it.

Also, you cannot in good conscience remain a Catholic and support, vote or be a member of the democrat party.

[Rome2000]

Good thing the Pope speaks for the Church and not this douche bag.

Edward Peters can stick this silliness where the sun don't shine

[Jim from C-Town]

Also since when is having a healthy discrimination a bad thing.

T o discriminate is a requirement in the ability to make sound and reasonable choices. We all discriminate against certain activities and policies all the time. It is the essence of morality. The ability to discriminate between right and wrong.

[CaspersGh0sts]

scouts having to be taught that the homosexual lifestlye is acceptable and to be tolerated so that they don’t practice discrimination (and be open to lawsuits), etc.

And this is where it's at. You force the leadership to preach the homosexuality is okay. Eventually you create a culture where anyone who would dare state otherwise is going against "scout teaching" and should be banned. This is how organizations are turned upside down.

This was never about the kids. If it were, a separate organizaton would have arisen a long time ago. No, this is about rotting the core of a once proud organization and demanding acceptance of a lifestyle which pure logic states is a biological deadend.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

I believe the Boy Scouts have been so untouchable for so long, they’ve never before, faced any real competition.

I think they will, now.

And as a former Scout myself, I say good.

[faithhopecharity]

BSA won’t uphold basic Judeo=Christian moral values anymore?
Best to move the kids, and donations, to other boys’ clubs that will

“Be not deceived: evil companions corrupt good morals.”
1 Cor. 15:33

[AdaGray]

The Boys Scouts just signed their death warrant as a viable organization. There is nowhere for it to go from here but down into a death spiral.

[EDINVA]

I am so old, I remember when everyone was supposed to be celibate till they were married, and few married before 17. Let’s accept that back then this was observed in the breach at older ages. Why are we talking about sexual orientation of 11 year olds?

[GBA]

Surrender, surrender, but don’t give yourself away.

[Ransomed]

I think we are talking about the sexual orientation of 15-17 year old boys and putting them in charge of younger kids whose gender they are sexually attracted to. It would be the same thing if the girl scouts allowed boys and put a 17 year old boy in charge of a bunch of 14-15 year old girls I suppose.

Freegards

[Heart-Rest]

"You cannot in good conscience remain a Catholic and support or belong to the Boy Scouts."

AMEN!

I disagree completely with this Edward Peters.    I was thinking along the same lines as "Ransomed" in "post 30" - would Edward Peters advocate allowing girls to join the boy scouts, and let them participate in all their activities together with the boys (like camping together, etc.)?

Would he advocate allowing boys to join the girl scouts, and let them participate in all their activities together with the girls?

Would he advocate combining the boy scouts with the girls scouts, and permit them to do all activities together as one group, with no (zero) discrimination between them (such as separating boys bathrooms from girls bathrooms, or having separate sleeping facilities (tents/cabins) based on common-sense discriminating between the sexes)?

Those would obviously be foolish choices to make, and what this "canon lawyer" is advocating is equally foolish.

It is safe to say that President Hom-o-bama would agree completely with Peters advice.

[who knows what evil?]

Also, you cannot in good conscience remain a Catholic and support, vote or be a member of the democrat party.

I wish someone could get that message thru to the ones in Red England...

[2nd Amendment]

Yes, the BSA held out for awhile. Now they are just another sodomite-infected depraved organization. I will be sure not to support them in any way. They have just given new meaning to their motto “Be Prepared”

[SuziQ]

So, boys who are attracted to other boys should participate in overnights with them?
Exactly how low an IQ must one have not to see the problem?

In the Catholic Faith, we'd call that a 'near occasion of sin', and they're to be avoided.

[kaehurowing]

Legalistic arguments devoid from observations of what is actually going on on the ground. The fact is that starting January 1, 2014, homosexuals will be making the Scouts their territory, and I suspect filing multiple lawsuits immediately demanding “full inclusion.” Second, from a church’s perspective, it is not what may happen in individual troops, it is that the Scouts have endorsed behavior directly in opposition to the uniform teaching of the Bible and the Church. Third, by going along with this policy, you are enabling young men entering into the homosexual lifestyle, something that will have lifetime negative consequences for these young people that are just having their sexual identities formed. The psychological and physical harm caused by male homosexuality can be easily demonstrated, everything from higher rates of depression, suicide and mental illness to AIDS, meningitis and other sexually transmitted diseases.

As a close analogy, just because a lot of people are addicted to drugs does not mean the Scouts should not only not oppose addiction, but instead, say, oh it’s perfectly fine you’re addicted to meth and face a shortened lifespan and mental and physical health problems, we accept you and say that that behavior is not problem for the Scouts.

[lost in the snow]

The latest count is that 9 councils have adopted the position of ignoring the adult ban. Those 9 councils are fully open to adult homosexuals. I am sure more will also adopt this position.

RIP BSA.

[TADSLOS]

So, this argument is demonstrably unsupportable. You cannot in good conscience remain a Catholic and support or belong to the Boy Scouts.

Yes, that's the bottom line, and anyone with an ounce of moral Christian fiber knows this to be true, not just Catholics.

[TArcher]

>>The BSA is dead.

Yep.


Compass, Broken; 1 each.

Once upon a time this was a useful instrument for pointing the direction a boy should go.

Today, not so much - as the needle has fallen off and rendered the tool into a directionally errant piece of "fiscally conservative" plastic memorabilia.

R.I.P. B.S.A.

[lastchance]

Where has he been? The ones who clamored that gay youth be allowed to join the BSA have been very clear that such a policy will not be enough. They will not stop until gay leaders are permitted as well.

He also forgets that many gays do believe it is discrimination if their sexual activity as well as orientation is not affirmed, tolerance is never enough. So be prepared for the BSA being told that letting gay youth join must be accompanied by policies that make sure that homosexual behavior is treated as being equal to heterosexual behavior. Telling them that the BSA is not about sex will be met with angry protests. Everything is about affirming their sexual choice. Any objections to such behavior will be viewed as discrimination. Especially religious based objections.

[grellis]

It's not the Church that is in a quandry: BSA is openly acting against its own oath: "On my honor I will do my best To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight".

BSA has made itself obsolete with one incredibly stupid decision. I am the Charter Org Rep for my son's troop--I represent the Church to the Scouts. I'll be meeting with our pastor this week to discuss alternatives to Scouting.