Thoughts for Catholics impacted by the Boy Scouts of America membership policies

canonlawblog ^ | May 26, 2013 | Edward Peters, JD, JCD, Ref. Sig. Ap.

[chuckles]

Friend of mine has 2 boys in scouting sponsored by the Methodist church here. They have a couple of weeks before they reach their next achievement goals and then they are finished. I predict scouting will be dead WITHIN THE YEAR. their won't be enough participants to even open the doors.

Question,: How do you keep the belief in God clause in the oath and accept homo's? That is basically saying the church accepts homosexuality. There better be a line drawn somewhere and it better be quick. The Methodists have already bowed to Satan with homosexual marriage and other changes. I have been attacked to no end when suggesting here that Catholics are doing the same. Catholics will have to make a bold statement or just join in with other denominations like Presbyterians, Lutheran, Methodists, Unitarians, ect, in the dustbin of history. Accepting Pelosi, Biden, Kennedy's, Kerry and their ilk without shame has infected the governing of the Church. I've been saying for years now that the liberals are running the Church only to be flamed with some comment from a stray Bishop or Cardinal with some lonely Op-Ed somewhere in a local rag. There are local parishes that are still conservative, but that doesn't represent the whole church when you take into consideration the whole world. A French Catholic is much different than a West Texas Catholic. IMHO, we are outnumbered and dying a slow death. If you just look at the Catholics of South and Central America, they are more like Hugo Chavez than pope John Paul. The new pope must still be evaluated, but I fear he is an open socialist and will bend to the populist opinions of the day.

[VermiciousKnid]

This has been suggested before, but if I may:

http://www.northstarexplorers.org/

Regards,

[Travis McGee]

Yep. Dark days ahead. God will not be mocked....for long.

[grellis]

Thanks so much! Looks like I have some improtant reading to do.

[Salvation]

I won’t even buy Girl Scout cookies because they went left in supporting the choice to kill a baby in the womb a long time ago.

[houeto]

Yep. Dark days ahead. God will not be mocked....for long.

So right Matt. Shortly, it will be upon us all.

May God bless you and yours Sir.

[rmichaelj]

For Catholics, there is the Columbian Squires Organization-sponsored by the Knights of Columbus.

[MacNaughton]

41 ... I predict scouting will be dead WITHIN THE YEAR. ...

The "suits" at BSA National announced the results of their study groups in APR 2013 in that, at worst, they can expect to lose 13.5% of the membership. To them, that is acceptable collateral damage. While I share your sentiment about wanting to see a mass Exodus, it isn't going to happen. The only denominations that have stood up to shout down the BSA are (1) Southern Baptist Convention, (2) Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, (3) Assembly of God, and (4) Presbyterian Church in America.

... The Methodists have already bowed to Satan with homosexual marriage and other changes. ...

You need to get your facts correct. During 4/24-5/04/2012, the UMC held its quadrennial General Conference in Tampa, FL. Delegates voted by about 60 % for to 40 % against softening the language on homosexuality in The Book of Discipline. Delegates retained their denomination's stance that homosexual acts were "incompatible with Christian teaching”. There does appear to be a schism coming very soon in the UMC over homosexuality.

Catholics will have to make a bold statement or just join in with other denominations like Presbyterians, Lutheran, Methodists, Unitarians, ect, in the dustbin of history. ...

The Presbyterian Church-USA and Evangelical Lutheran Church in America both ordain homosexuals. They haven't adopted homosexual marriage, yet, but that is coming down the pike. But their are other sects within the Presbyterian and Lutheran Churches which are orthodox and holding the line against homosexuality. Yes, the Unitarians are totally lost over homosexuality. As for the Methodists, well, regarding BSA, they are, for the moment, in agreement with the Mormons and Catholics that they can continue in Scouting with this new membership rule.

[MacNaughton]

36 The latest count is that 9 councils have adopted the position of ignoring the adult ban. Those 9 councils are fully open to adult homosexuals. I am sure more will also adopt this position.

Can you provide a source(s) for this info? If I had to guess, the "usual suspects" would be ...

1. Greater New York Councils - Manhattan
2. Mt. Diablo Silverado Council - CA
3. Los Angeles Area Council
4. Western Los Angeles Area Council
5. Silicon Valley Monterey Bay Council - CA
6. Northern Star Council - St. Paul, MN
7. Cradle of Liberty Council - Philadelphia
8. Baltimore Area Council - Baltimore
9. Boston Minuteman Council - Boston

[trebb]

Sometimes it's hard to be Christian and even Catholic, I imagine. No matter how it's cadged, there will be folks who tear an idea apart before actually thinking on the whole meaning and implications/ramifications. How can you witness to folks if you keep them separated? On the flip side, how can you ensure those doing the witnessing are mature and stable enough in their belief to withstand Satan's temptations? There is no easy answer, but some of us tend to forget that many of this generations "gay" population has been "coached" and led to that end by those who would pervert everyone if they could.

A recently departed and dear friend and mentor had a saying, "If God's in it, it can't fail. If God's not in it, it can't stand."

I believe God gives us opportunities that we don't always recognize because of our tendencies to make snap moral judgements. I like the saying that was coined by Herbert Spencer:

“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation”

[VermiciousKnid]

Thank you, rmichaelj. I do know about the Squires, and they are an excellent organization. But...I always thought of them as more of a service organization, with little to no outdoor/scouting activities.

At least, that’s how it seems to me here on Long Island. I’ve never seen a Squires group go camping, for example, or wear any type of uniform. Do they do that sort of thing?

Regards,

[Travis McGee]

Thanks. I hope we’re ready for stormy weather.

[DBeers]

This Cannon Lawyer is wrong in his analysis.

I agree -he is most definitely wrong! He is wrong many times though, this is but another example where he is errant. The lawyer is not a cleric nor a spokesman for the Church. His personal opinion is just an opinion and as valid as any others -his obedience to what the Church teaches is as much a requirement as is any others.

Note how he differentiate 'membership' with activities and as well 'membership' with leadership. WHY does he do this? LOL because he attempts to define a gray area that does not exist except in the theoretical domain he advances his opinion upon.

In other words as long as young boys are not left alone unsupervised with older 'homosexual' boys all is fine and as long as older 'homosexual' boys are not imposed upon young boys in private setting such as camping trips all is fine. Blah, blah, blah...

[lost in the snow]

I am waiting for an email from a contact who has the information , but there are news reports on the following officially saying that they will defy the policy and admit adults;

— NYC council
— Abnaki / Pine Tree Council Maine
— Connecticut Yankee council
— Boston Minutemen
— Minnesota North Star

[miserare]

To me, it’s as bad as when the feminists set foot in McSorley’s.

[MacNaughton]

54 I am waiting for an email from a contact who has the information, ...

When you receive it, please post it and/or private mail me. Thank you.

... but there are news reports on the following officially saying that they will defy the policy and admit adults; ...

— NYC council
— Abnaki / Pine Tree Council Maine My cousin's son is a Cub in this Council.
— Connecticut Yankee council
— Boston Minutemen
— Minnesota North Star

History repeating itself ... sharks smell blood in the water.

2001 - The Boston Minuteman Council executive board adopted a nondiscrimination policy which included sexual orientation. BSA National rejected it.

4/27/2001 - Nine BSA local councils submitted a resolution that would have allowed local councils to comply with local community nondiscrimination policies regarding homosexual persons to the BSA National Executive Committee. The resolution was formally presented to the BSA National Council at its annual business meeting in Boston on 6/01/2001.

April 27, 2001

To: The Resolutions Committee
Boy Scouts of America, National Council
1325 West Walnut Hill Lane
P.O. Box 152079
Irving, Texas, 75015-2079
Atten: Helen Rey

In our individual capacities as members of the National Council of the Boy Scouts of America, we hereby submit the attached resolution for consideration at the Annual Meeting of Boy Scouts of America on June 1, 2001. The first sentence of the resolution may be used as a brief description of its purpose.

Respectfully submitted,

Dick DeWolfe
President
Boston Minuteman Council

Rick Gables
President
West Los Angeles County Council

Lew Greenblatt
President
Chicago Area Council

John Harbison
President
Los Angeles Council

Mike Harrison
Past Chairman of the Board
Orange County Council, California

Tom Lynch
Chairman of the Board
Cradle of Liberty Council, Philadelphia

John McGillicuddy
President
Greater New York Councils

Wayne Moon
President
San Francisco Bay Area Council

TTom Morgan
resident
Viking Council, Minneapolis

RESOLVED, that the National Council of the Boy Scouts of America adopt a policy, substantially in the form set forth below, (i) stating that membership and leadership positions are open to persons regardless of their sexual orientation, subject to compliance with Scouting's standards of conduct, but (ii) recognizing that in selecting adult leaders, the Chartered Organization will also expect compliance with the requirements of the Chartered Organization for adult leadership positions in programs serving youth.

It was rejected at the 2002 annual National Council business meeting. On 6/10/2002, the Boston Minutemen Council announced that the MC for its fund raising dinner would be an openly gay radio talk show host.

[lost in the snow]

When I get the list I will let you know. Our source is one of the folks who are working to form Faith Based Boys as an alternative.