Posted on 08/22/2013 3:56:07 PM PDT by NYer
More like you'll be sorry you listened to 'man'.
ITA
Many are called but few are chosen.
The words of your saint
“13. If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. It suffices that through God’s glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day. Do you think such an exalted Lamb paid merely a small price with a meager sacrifice for our sins? Pray hard for you are quite a sinner.”
Yep. So go and sin boldly. Just as Luther did! He died of sloth and gluttony. Some saint.
You just jarred my memory. In grammar school, I was being honored for something and they gave me a relic in a box. It was some piece of bone from some saint. I remember the class gathered around to see it. I forget what it was for and I forget what 'saint' I was told it was from. Just more idolatry pushed by Rome. Now that was something you jarred from my memory - not from the middle ages but close ; - that I can now release and, also, laugh at.
Catholicism is all about man, even giving honor to dead men - and use a piece of their bone as a prize. I don't remember showing it to anyone expect my family when I got home. I'm thinking my parents gave it the heave ho.
George Orwell was a committed socialist.
To be fair to Catholics and all Christians, God commands us to be like children - HIS children.
Luther escaped the counterfeit church and the counterfeit church and those who never met Luther are still in a tizzy about it. Yet, they are calling back those who left!! LOL!!! Fork tongue!
JFTR - should anyone actually BUY your opinion of what you think Luther was saying, here is a link to judge the man by what he actually said and not what one wishes he did in order to condemn him http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/search?q=sin+boldly. I challenge you to read it and stop making yourself look desperate.
What makes you think Rome/RCC isn’t committed to socialism?
I’ll bet if DNA testing was done, it probably wouldn’t even be HUMAN! I don’t know about you, but growing up going to Catholic school and hearing all those stories about saints and the mysterious things they did gave me the creeps. I always had this sense there was something not right about it all.
Not everyone is HIS Children. Only those who hear and obey HIS WORD are doing the will of The Father. Jesus was clear about that - they are His brothers, sisters and mother.
God is the Creator of all but many have not made HIM their father. They choose ‘another one’ to serve.
They had a nice little gig going on there but like Jesus said - the gates of hell won't prevail against HIS CHURCH. The gig was up and they haven't recovered from it since.
I remember my brother saying maybe it's from a dog. I didn't take him serious because he was always trying to be funny - but it was just a dig at me because I won a prize and he didn't. Sibling rivalry. Your right - it didn't even have to be a bone. I never touched it - it had a clear plastic cover on it to see it in the box. I was probably told at school it was too holy to touch. LOL! And obedient PNSN didn't!
I always had this sense there was something not right about it all.
Why didn't you call me! I didn't 'wake up' until after I was married with two children who I sent to catholic school. I did pray that God would recapture for me the years the locust ate and He did - ever faithful God.
I'm sure you remember the back and forth we did with a few Catholics sorta recently who INSISTED that Luther had no right to leave the Catholic priesthood and get married to a former nun. They accused them both of sinful lust and all kinds of nasty names were hurled at them for DARING to do what they did. Yet, here, right in this OP, the author says it's no big deal if priests or nuns want to leave the clergy and get married! They are free to do so, he says. There is just so much hypocrisy going on in this church that I really do have to laugh whenever we are told they have UNITY on everything!
You may not have read these, but here is a link to what are called Luther's Letters. They are translations of his many correspondences between friends and the Catholic clergy, including his letters to several Popes. It shows that his decision to do what he did was NOT based on hatred or even discontent with his life. He sincerely wanted to change what had gone so wrong with his beloved Catholic Church. He went back and forth with them for YEARS and THEY excommunicated him, he didn't voluntarily leave. It's a long read, but you can do it in segments. It opened my eyes to who the man really was and not the boogieman the Roman Catholic Church portrayed him as. The link is http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2005/10/letters-of-martin-luther.html
Luther explains the concept of “sinning boldly”:
““Therefore let us arm our hearts with these and similar statements of Scripture so that, when the devil accuses us by saying: You are a sinner; therefore you are damned, we can reply: The very fact that you say I am a sinner makes me want to be just and saved. Nay, you will be damned, says the devil. Indeed not, I reply, for I take refuge in Christ, who gave Himself for my sins. Therefore you will accomplish nothing, Satan, by trying to frighten me by setting the greatness of my sins before me and thus seducing me to sadness, doubt, despair, hatred, contempt, and blasphemy of God. Indeed, by calling me a sinner you are supplying me with weapons against yourself so that I can slay and destroy you with your own sword; for Christ died for sinners. Furthermore, you yourself proclaim the glory of God to me; you remind me of God’s paternal love for me, a miserable and lost sinner; for He so loved the world that He gave His Son (John 3:16). Again, whenever you throw up to me that I am a sinner, you revive in my memory the blessing of Christ, my Redeemer, on whose shoulders, and not on mine, lie all my sins; for “the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all” and “for the transgression of His people was He stricken” (Is. 53:6-8). Therefore when you throw up to me that I am a sinner, you are not terrifying me; you are comforting me beyond measure.””
Luther explains why those who do willful sins in this life are damned, whereas those who have been justified produce good works.
““Works only reveal faith, just as fruits only show the tree, whether it is a good tree. I say, therefore, that works justify, that is, they show that we have been justified, just as his fruits show that a man is a Christian and believes in Christ, since he does not have a feigned faith and life before men. For the works indicate whether I have faith. I conclude, therefore, that he is righteous, when I see that he does good works. In God’s eyes that distinction is not necessary, for he is not deceived by hypocrisy. But it is necessary among men, so that they may correctly understand where faith is and where it is not. As Paul says, we ought not to trust a faith which is false, as when someone believes he is a part of the church although he meanwhile still whores [I Cor. 5:11]. In this I see that he is not a good tree and when he glories saying, “I am a part,” I can argue against him, “You are not part of the church, because your works are evil.” Therefore, those works are also evidence to himself and to others about him whether he has the true faith. For those who glory that they are Christians and do not show this faith by such works, as this sinful woman does, but persist up to the present and live in open sins, in whoring and adultery, are not Christians at all. For the Christian shows his life and that he has been made a Christian by love and good works and flees all vices. We should not be a part of the church in number only, as the hypocrites, but also by our works, so that our heavenly Father may be glorified. Love merits forgiveness of sins, that is, love reveals that his sins have been forgiven.”
http://tquid.sharpens.org/sin_boldly.htm#a2
What Luther is arguing is not that we go and live lawless lives. He is saying to throw our sins in the face of Satan, since by the very fact that we are sinners shows we are in need of a saviour, and therefore must not live in fear of Satan who accuses us and emphasizes our imperfections, as Christ’s work on the cross is infinite to wash away even the most heinous sins. He does use a lot of hyperbole, but that’s standard Luther.
As for how Luther died, he suffered severe health problems for the last years of his life. Nothing to do with sloth and gluttony. Though there have been Popes who have died like that, some of them in bed with other men’s wives too.
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