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Pro-life leaders urge caution, while Pope, Cardinal Dolan praise controversial Nelson Mandela
LifeSIte News | December 6, 2013 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 12/07/2013 6:58:22 PM PST by ebb tide

Pro-life leaders urge caution, while Pope, Cardinal Dolan praise controversial Nelson Mandela

CAPE TOWN, South Africa, December 6, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The death of South African former President Nelson ‘Madiba’ Rolihlahla Mandela on Thursday has led to an outpouring of glowing praise for the man most known for ending apartheid – a system of racial segregation. However, pro-life leaders have warned that praise from Christian leaders is inappropriate given Mandela’s role in bringing abortion-on-demand and homosexual “marriage” to South Africa.

According to official statistics, nearly a million unborn children have been killed in South Africa since President Mandela signed legislation in 1996 permitting abortion on demand two years after taking office. Same-sex ‘marriage’ was legalized in 2006, with Mandela having supported it long before its passage.

Nelson Mandela with wife Winnie and Joe Slove, head of South Nelson Mandela with wife Winnie and Joe Slove, head of South Africa Communist Party and leading member of ANC. In the face of praise for Mandela coming even from Catholic leaders all over the world, Paul Tuns, the editor of the Canadian pro-life newspaper The Interim, wrote, “A little balance is necessary in our reaction to the man who fought one injustice, but helped institute another.”

Similarly England’s John Smeaton, President of the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children (SPUC) commented on his blog saying, “It is absolutely vital that Catholic leaders do not allow themselves to become respecters of persons, swept away by personality cults. Catholic leaders have a duty to stand up to public figures with anti-life and anti-family records, however praiseworthy their record may be on other issues.”

Smeaton’s comments came in reaction to praise for Mandela from the Bishops conference of South Africa. However, since then, New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan and Pope Francis have also issued statements of praise for Mandela.

Pope Francis’s official statement says, “Paying tribute to the steadfast commitment shown by Nelson Mandela in promoting the human dignity of all the nation’s citizens and in forging a new South Africa built on the firm foundations of non-violence, reconciliation and truth, I pray that the late President’s example will inspire generations of South Africans to put justice and the common good at the forefront of their political aspirations.”

Cardinal Dolan’s statement calls Mandela a “hero to the world.” The Cardinal recalls the praise for Mandela from Pope John Paul II’s visit to South Africa in 1995.

That visit came before Mandela passed the law permitting abortion.

It was 1996 when Mandela signed into law one of the world’s most pro-abortion laws. Passage of the “Choice on Termination of Pregnancy Bill” was assured since Mandela’s African National Congress (ANC) refused its members a free vote on the issue of providing state-funded abortion on demand.

The same year, Mandela’s new constitution made South Africa the first country to place “sexual orientation” alongside race and religion as a restricted grounds for discrimination – something that paved the way for homosexual ‘marriage’ a decade later.

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Smeaton quotes from a book of quotations from Mandela noting his statement on abortion: "Women have the right to decide what they want to do with their bodies." In addition to his promotion of abortion, homosexuality, contraception and close ties to Communism, Smeaton notes Mandela’s formation of ‘The Elders” as a cause for concern.

In 2007, Mandela announced ‘The Elders’ as a global council of retired world leaders who would give behind the scenes advice and direction to government officials and rulers around the world. The proposal was received by pro-life leaders as being of great concern since its membership formed a ‘who’s who of the pro-abortion and pro-population-control movements.”

While during his life, Mandela denied being part of the communist party despite his friendly interaction with communist world leaders, the African National Congress revealed today that Mandela was in fact a high-ranking member of the Communist Party.

“Madiba was also a member of the South African Communist Party, where he served in the Central Committee,” said the ANC release.

Given the adulation Mandella has received from the worldwide media, it is possible that many Christians had little or no knowledge of the controversial aspects of Mandela’s life.

While it may be difficult for Catholic officials to discern how to proceed with world leaders and politicians who are pro-abortion, in 2004, the U.S. Council of Catholic Bishops adopted a policy on the matter. “The Catholic community and Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles. They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions,” it said.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; communist; dolan; francis; mandela; nelsonmandela; southafrica; terrorist

1 posted on 12/07/2013 6:58:22 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I don’t expect much from Cardinal Dolan, but the Pope should know better.

Calling a terrorist a great man to suck up to the Negro race does not change his spots.


2 posted on 12/07/2013 7:03:29 PM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Venturer

>> Calling a terrorist a great man to suck up to the Negro race does not change his spots.

You nailed it.

I’m disappointed in the Pope too. Dolan, well, we know him pretty well by now, and I am disappointed in him too — but not surprised.


3 posted on 12/07/2013 7:05:11 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: ebb tide

No link?


4 posted on 12/07/2013 7:22:04 PM PST by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-life-leaders-urge-caution-while-pope-and-bishops-praise-controversial-n?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LifesitenewscomLatestHeadlines+%28LifeSiteNews.com+Latest+Headlines%29


5 posted on 12/07/2013 7:25:57 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Venturer

There’s a lot to be concerned about from this Pope. However I think this is just boilerplate. He’s just saying what’s expected. After all, what’s he gonna say, “ I’m glad the SOB is dead”.


6 posted on 12/07/2013 7:28:17 PM PST by woodsman607
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To: woodsman607

Yes, Pope Frankie, tell us how you REALLY feel!


7 posted on 12/07/2013 7:31:47 PM PST by miserare (Sebelius is Obama's Mengele.)
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To: ebb tide
"Hero of the world? Uh, not the word I would use."


8 posted on 12/07/2013 7:32:42 PM PST by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: ebb tide

The Pope, Dolan, Wuerl, Gomez (and most bishops) are not what I call “pro-lifers.”

They are opposed to abortion. If you ask them about abortion, they are against it. If you invite them to speak to a pro-life group, they will give a rip-roaring speech.

But they never, on their own initiative, inquire whether Senator Caligula, or Congresswoman Medusa, or President Dracula, is pro-abortion. They will praise such people as “good Catholics” or “devout Christians,” without a moment’s thought about abortion. Dolan has done this again and again with Democrat politicians.


9 posted on 12/07/2013 8:36:56 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: woodsman607

May he rest in Peace would have sufficed.


10 posted on 12/08/2013 4:13:51 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: ebb tide

Completely predictable.


11 posted on 12/08/2013 5:08:39 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Arthur McGowan

Doesn’t the Catholic Church teach that one must be pro-life (anti-abortion) to be in communion with it?

What do the actions/words of these men say about their standing in the Catholic Church?


12 posted on 12/08/2013 5:14:27 AM PST by piusv
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To: ebb tide
Pope Francis’s official statement says, “Paying tribute to the steadfast commitment shown by Nelson Mandela in promoting the human dignity of all the nation’s citizens and in forging a new South Africa built on the firm foundations of non-violence, reconciliation and truth, I pray that the late President’s example will inspire generations of South Africans to put justice and the common good at the forefront of their political aspirations.”

Cardinal Dolan’s statement calls Mandela a “hero to the world.” The Cardinal recalls the praise for Mandela from Pope John Paul II’s visit to South Africa in 1995.

For liberalism is what Rome effectually overall fosters .

13 posted on 12/08/2013 5:33:16 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: ebb tide

To tell the truth on Mandella takes courage.You would need someone like Pope Benedict and Cardinal O’connor.The laity that protest outside the abortion mills have real COURAGE.


14 posted on 12/08/2013 6:47:28 AM PST by ardara
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To: piusv

“...one must be pro-life..to be in communion?”

Yes. The church is having an epic fail. Do we leave the church now? No - the teachings/doctrine remain truth - for how long I don’t know.

Pray because we need the Church whether you know it or not.


15 posted on 12/08/2013 7:25:47 AM PST by stonehouse01
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To: stonehouse01

sorry - meant to reply to Rthur McGowan


16 posted on 12/08/2013 7:26:32 AM PST by stonehouse01
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To: Arthur McGowan

“...dolan has done this again and again...”

Hubbard as well - the Church is in bed with the democrats. However, I will not give up the sacraments over the failure of the church.


17 posted on 12/08/2013 7:28:49 AM PST by stonehouse01
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To: ardara
Jesus says “Love God with all your heart, soul, mind and being and love your neighbor as yourself”. Can someone please tell me where Jesus says we can support the killing of the unborn babies in the womb? The Bible states; “Thou Shalt not Kill” innocent people.

So now with the death of the 95 year old Nelson Mandela, many Catholic bishops, priests, religious and laity are ignoring the fact that Mandela promoted murdering of the babies in the womb, homosexuality and population control. All of these three actions are condemned by the Bible and the Catholic Church.

As president of South Africa, Mandela signed into law the most liberal abortion law in 1996 (Choice on Terminating of Pregnancy Bill). It replaced one of the best laws that protected the unborn in the world there in South Africa. He also taught that it was discrimination of sexual orientation to not support homosexuality. He widely promoted the use of condoms... --Fr. Peter Carota

18 posted on 12/08/2013 7:34:47 AM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: woodsman607

I think a balanced response would have been sufficient.

But remember, abortion is not the main focus of the Catholic Church anymore....and who are we to judge wrt the gay lifestyle?


19 posted on 12/08/2013 8:00:21 AM PST by piusv
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To: ebb tide
England’s John Smeaton, President of the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children (SPUC) commented on his blog saying, “It is absolutely vital that Catholic leaders do not allow themselves to become respecters of persons, swept away by personality cults. Catholic leaders have a duty to stand up to public figures with anti-life and anti-family records, however praiseworthy their record may be on other issues.”

Smeaton’s comments came in reaction to praise for Mandela from the Bishops conference of South Africa. However, since then, New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan and Pope Francis have also issued statements of praise for Mandela.

Pope Francis’s official statement says, “Paying tribute to the steadfast commitment shown by Nelson Mandela in promoting the human dignity of all the nation’s citizens and in forging a new South Africa built on the firm foundations of non-violence, reconciliation and truth, I pray that the late President’s example will inspire generations of South Africans to put justice and the common good at the forefront of their political aspirations.” Cardinal Dolan’s statement calls Mandela a “hero to the world.” The Cardinal recalls the praise for Mandela from Pope John Paul II’s visit to South Africa in 1995. That visit came before Mandela passed the law permitting abortion.

Ping for later

20 posted on 12/08/2013 8:03:02 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: stonehouse01
However, I will not give up the sacraments over the failure of the church.
I agree! As Mother Teresa once said, and this is a paraphrase, the Church will always have its problems but the faith itself [the Eucharist!] is without flaw.
21 posted on 12/08/2013 8:08:15 AM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: piusv

Of course, the terms “pro-life” and “pro-abortion” are not used in moral theology.

When it comes to most American bishops—certainly the prominent ones—the Democrat party comes first, the Catholic Church second. For over forty years, the standard, when it comes to teaching about abortion, or whether to give sacrilegious Communions to pro-abortion politicians, has been: “Is there any danger of helping a Republican if I say/do X?”


22 posted on 12/08/2013 9:57:12 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

AH, yes, “pro-life” and “pro-abortion” are not in moral theology but I would argue that continuing to allow “pro-abortion” politicians to receive communion helps promote abortion...which *is* against Church teaching.

So, I ask again, what is the standing of those “Catholic” clergy/heirarchy who continue to allow pro-abortion “Catholic” politicians to receive communion?


23 posted on 12/08/2013 2:25:34 PM PST by piusv
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To: piusv

I didn’t say that being “pro-abortion” isn’t sinful. I said that the term isn’t used in moral theology. Or in magisterial documents. The terms they use are more precise.

Of course promoting abortion is sinful. So is voting for or supporting laws that purport to make abortion “legal.”

It is the duty of the state to proscribe and punish abortion.

Only about fifteen bishops in the U.S. have made clear that pro-abortion people are engaged in public sin, and must not receive Communion.

The most high-profile bishops in the country have made clear that pro-abortion people SHOULD receive Communion, and that any priest under them will suffer if he refuses such people Communion.

THOSE are the bishops who are obstinately persisting in manifest grave sin—and who themselves are forbidden to receive Communion. Every Mass they celebrate, every Communion they receive is a mortal sin.

Dolan, Wuerl, O’Malley, Chaput, George, and every other Cardinal in the country—all of them have explicitly denied that Canon 915 applies to them or their priests. Each and every Mass/Communion of these bishops is sacrilegious and a mortal sin.

All the bishops named above have publicly rejected the conclusions of Cardinal Raymond Burke. NOT ONE of them has ever REPLIED to Cardinal Burke’s arguments. (They can’t. He is right; they are wrong.)

http://tinyurl.com/canon915


24 posted on 12/08/2013 3:02:07 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: mlizzy

Thank you for the courageous statement of Father Peter Carata.I also wonder what Cardinal Dolan will do when the new Mayor deBlasio puts into effect his publically announced plan to expand abortion clinics and close Pro-life crises pregnancy centers right under Cardinal Dolan’s nose in New York City,the nations abortion capital.


25 posted on 12/08/2013 4:46:41 PM PST by ardara
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To: ardara

You’re welcome! I just happened upon Father’s blog a few months ago. Great articles. As to Cardinal Dolan, he surely seems lost. Seeing him yucking it up with Obama at the Al Smith Dinner was pretty telling. I hope many are praying for him.


26 posted on 12/08/2013 5:51:51 PM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: Venturer

In the meantime Barry Sinclair Ali-Baba and his RINO sidekick little George W. Bush will be sitting side by side at the old communist’s funeral. Stay tuned to Faux News, along with their fellow liberal channels CNN and MSNBC giving full coverage of the old bomber’s funeral.


27 posted on 12/08/2013 9:47:11 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: Venturer

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/george-w-bush-mandela-was-force-for-freedom-and-equality

In response to Nelson Mandela’s death on Thursday former President George W. Bush said the former South African president was one of the “great forces for freedom and equality of our time.”

The statement came shortly after news broke that Mandela had died. Here’s the statement:

“Laura and I join the people of South Africa and the world in celebrating the life of Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela. President Mandela was one of the great forces for freedom and equality of our time. He bore his burdens with dignity and grace, and our world is better off because of his example. This good man will be missed, but his contributions will live on forever. Laura and I send our heartfelt sympathy to President Mandela’s family and to the citizens of the nation he loved.”


28 posted on 12/08/2013 9:49:41 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: piusv

Are you a Catholic?


29 posted on 12/08/2013 9:50:46 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Why do you ask?


30 posted on 12/09/2013 2:41:59 AM PST by piusv
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To: NKP_Vet

All politicians want to suck up to the black people who felt this terrorist was a great hero.

There is saying “ The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones”

I Mandela’s case it is just the opposite. Because black people vote and Mandela was an enemy to whites.


31 posted on 12/09/2013 5:02:24 AM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: NKP_Vet

I will certainly be glad when he is in the ground and we don’t have these fake sentiments to listen to any more.


32 posted on 12/09/2013 5:04:42 AM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: piusv

I ask whether or not you’re a Catholic because if you’re not why does it bother you? Many protestants ridicule the Eucharist. If you are a Catholic, I share your concerns. Public officials who claim to be Catholic while openly mocking the Church’s position of moral issues should be denied communion, but it’s left up to to bishops and most of these bishops are politicians and do what they feel like doing. I pray all the time that the Pope will tell all bishops to deny communion to these heretics, and hopefully one day he will. But in the end God knows who presents themselves unworthy to receive Him and and He will be the final judge. In the words of Paul........

“...Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died” ~ 1 Corinthians 11:23-30


33 posted on 12/09/2013 7:52:09 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Oh, I am definitely Catholic. I thought there was something I wrote that made you think otherwise. I totally get why you would wonder why I would care about this if I wasn’t.


34 posted on 12/09/2013 12:59:55 PM PST by piusv
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To: NKP_Vet; Venturer
Pope Francis has appointed Cardinal Peter Turkson as his special envoy to former President Nelson Mandela’s Memorial Service on the 10th December 2013 at FNB Stadium, Johannesburg. Cardinal Turkson is the President of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.

Pope's Envoy to Mandela Funeral

35 posted on 12/09/2013 4:56:15 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: NKP_Vet; Venturer

I missed the funeral today, not by accident. Did the Pope’s envoy have anything to say? Did he give a silent blessing from his heart?


36 posted on 12/10/2013 2:16:33 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: piusv; NKP_Vet

Don’t mind him. Anybody who disagrees with him is an “anti-Catholic”.


37 posted on 12/10/2013 2:21:59 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: NKP_Vet; Venturer; piusv
Nelson Mandela met twice with 'brother' John Paul II. Pope sends condolences
38 posted on 12/10/2013 4:08:05 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Sorry, I missed it too—not by accident.


39 posted on 12/10/2013 4:15:23 PM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: NKP_Vet; Venturer; piusv
Mandela Pays Visit to Vatican
40 posted on 12/10/2013 5:51:30 PM PST by ebb tide
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