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1 posted on 12/09/2013 7:46:04 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

The official explanation is that the lds god(s) change their minds on a frequent basis.


2 posted on 12/09/2013 7:48:22 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Jet Jaguar

>>, saying it was put into place during an era of great racial divide that influenced early teachings of the church.<<

Not to be confused with magical gold pieces pulled from a top hat that influenced early teachings...


3 posted on 12/09/2013 7:51:58 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Women’s ordination and gay marriage will be next.


4 posted on 12/09/2013 7:53:19 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Jet Jaguar

One thing I don’t understand is how you can become a black mormon? Isn’t that like a Jew joining the SS? Does he remember the founder Joseph Smith said the best people of color could expect was to become the servants/slaves of white gods in the afterlife? An eternal “plantation”? Isn’t that what he told a black servant who converted and followed him all her life? Correct me if I’m wrong.


5 posted on 12/09/2013 8:07:26 PM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: Jet Jaguar

Xenu had a really good chauffeur who just happened to be black, and it made him think twice about banning black priests.


6 posted on 12/09/2013 8:08:10 PM PST by oblomov
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"The Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects actions in a premortal life; that mixed-race marriages are a sin; or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else," the statement read. "Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form."

That doesn't sound very white or delightsome!

7 posted on 12/09/2013 8:10:41 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Jet Jaguar

So, the LDS Prophets, and by Extension, the LDS god is fallible, right?


8 posted on 12/09/2013 8:28:07 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Jet Jaguar

This appears to be an admission that heretofore claimed infallible pronouncements of the founders of the Mormon Church were not infallible. Perhaps, the other doctrines of the Mormon Church considered to be strange by mainstream Christianity will also be re-cast as something less than infallible. I have always been very impressed by the actual Mormons I have met. I like their devotion to family and church life, their embrace of private charity and of a free market economy.


9 posted on 12/09/2013 8:35:02 PM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Jet Jaguar

Next up for revision: Jewish Indians.


10 posted on 12/09/2013 8:55:11 PM PST by Defiant (Obama is The Bard of Canard.)
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"The Church disavows the theories advanced in the past previously sacrosanct, official Church doctrine that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, [...]

There, fixed it!

Regards,

15 posted on 12/09/2013 9:18:55 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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From the article: ...theories

Well, there goes the ENTIRE Mormon "revelation" system ... that Joseph Smith "revealed" what He supposedly "heard" the Mormon gods tell him.

Take, for example, his mid-1835 "revelation."

At that point, Smith was churning out new “Scripture.” Smith was taking aim at new converts. But in that time, did he believe the Mormon “gospel” to be aimed at slaves? (No, not unless express “permission” was granted by their “owners”).

Could you imagine a verse still applicable today—one similar to the Mormon scripture of Doctrine & Covenants 134:12—which would tell you in effect that yes, the gospel was for women who are sexually trafficked--but only if their Pimp-owner says "Yes?".

I mean, imagine if you will, for a moment, that you are the God of the universe; God of every planet; God of the earth; Creator of every person. Imagine for a moment you are speaking forth universal eternal truth. And then imagine that someone claims you (as God) made the following “Scriptural” statement:

Doctrine & Covenants 134:12:
”We believe it just to preach the gospel to the nations of the earth, and warn the righteous to save themselves from the corruption of the world; but we do not believe it right to interfere with bond-servants, neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them contrary to the will and wish of their masters, nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life, thereby jeopardizing the lives of men; such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust, and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude.”

D&C 134:12 is LDS “Doctrine” that has never been removed or rescinded!!! Until TODAY!!!

Now, the Mormon Church leadership has said that it's ENTIRE revelation process is simply based upon Joseph Smith's theories.

This passage makes it quite clear – in contrast to the apostle Paul who vied for the religious freedom of Onesimus while treating him as a full Christian brother and encouraged Philemon to do the same--that somehow, Joseph Smith thought that "religious freedom" applied to everyone except slaves!

And the Mormon Church has just gone on record (generically speaking)...repudiating Joseph Smith himself!!!!

And here we thought -- with passages like D&C 134:12... written in 1835 pro-slavery America-- had made it quite clear that instead of the Mormons having a universal god who issued eternal truth applicable to all cultures, he is instead an American-sounding god who speaks only in King James English & was beholden to the American slavery industry.

Up until today, D&C 134:12 "settled" the issue for the Mormon: Are slaves & trafficking victims worthy of the "gospel?" LDS past answer? Nope! "neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them..." says LDS "Scripture.

And why not? Well, says D&C 134:12: We don't want ya ta meddle with the Mastuhs' business “property,” or to say it as precisely as LDS "scripture" says it: nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life...

(Nah. We can't have unhappy slaves or trafficking victims now, can we? Too disturbing to their "stations" of life, eh?)

But now...............as of Dec. 9, 2013...

Just as Obama can pick & choose which parts of ObamaCare to enforce (or not), Mormons are NOW allowed to pick & choose which "scriptures" they want to believe are relevant! And which originated in sheer man-made theory! Many Mormon standard works are simply "theory"...as admitted to by the Lds General Authorities!

16 posted on 12/09/2013 9:19:54 PM PST by Colofornian
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From the article: The ban ended in 1978...

The ban ended due to the 12th Lds "prophet" -- Spencer Kimball.

That means that the 11 preceding Mormon "prophets" were all racists per this admission...along with the hundreds of general authorities in charge.

Example: Mormon Apostle Delbert L. Stapley's 1964 Racist Letter To Governor George Romney

21 posted on 12/09/2013 9:36:45 PM PST by Colofornian
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Well, they still call anyone of color, like people from Tonga, Lamanites.

Seems fairly bigoted to me.


22 posted on 12/09/2013 9:41:28 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Jet Jaguar

No longer “curse of Cain” as originated by Jos. Smith, perhaps explained or more fully expounded by Brig. Young but Smith made original statements “as directed by God.”


28 posted on 12/09/2013 10:51:24 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Jet Jaguar; StormPrepper; restornu; Normandy; teppe; trebb
"History and changes all happen due to time. This is way past due,"

So the MOST correct book and the Voice of GOD handed down thru LIVING Prophets® changes once again.

What a phony 'religion' this MormonISM be!

33 posted on 12/10/2013 3:29:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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New thread just posted:

Race and the Priesthood [Lds Church attempts to explain its past racist prophets and policies]

60 posted on 12/10/2013 5:32:06 AM PST by Colofornian
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For a history of Mormon leaders' quotes -- and "scriptures" still binding upon Mormons' beliefs -- see:

Recovery from Mormonism: Blacks and the Priesthood in the Mormon Church

73 posted on 12/10/2013 12:17:48 PM PST by Colofornian
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New thread up:
Race, Priesthood and Infallibility [Lds tries to explain away past doctrine as mere 'theories']
80 posted on 12/10/2013 5:53:11 PM PST by Colofornian
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From the Mormon church apologetic:

"Toward the end of his life, Church founder Joseph Smith openly opposed slavery.

(Yeah, that must have been mixed in with Jos. Smith's other public policy...stated in January 1843 -- less than 18 mos. before his death...of...

Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization.

Source: (Lds) History of the Church, Volume 5, pp. 217-218 Copyright page reads:

History of Joseph Smith, the Prophet. By Himself. Volume V. An Introduction and Notes by B.H. Roberts. Published by the Church. By Deseret Book Company Salt Lake City, Utah 1978

Funny...how something republished by the Church 35 years ago...the EXACT same year of the so-called Kimball "revelation" on blacks -- and written by Joseph Smith himself -- gets totally ignored for "study" by their members (& investigators).

82 posted on 12/11/2013 4:47:35 PM PST by Colofornian
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The untold reason why they lifted the ban was so that BYU Football could compete with the big boys...

Think about it


83 posted on 12/11/2013 4:54:19 PM PST by shotgun
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