Posted on 12/12/2013 2:20:13 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Did God provide for the salvation of sinners that he chose to be saved, or did God provide a way of salvation and then it is up to sinners to choose it?
Wrong question that has been asked...
The question that SHOULD be asked:
Did God know which choice we would make (as to salvation) when He created this universe and bring into existence that choice to be saved, or did He bring into existence His choice for whom He would save when He brought this universe into existence?
Is the ultimate, final answer to this either/or, neither/nor, or both/and?
Is it EITHER Calvinism OR Arminianism, or is the answer neither Calvinism nor Arminianism, or both/and - a fusion of the two?
Jesus was asked:
1.) Do we pay taxes to either God or Caeser?
Jesus said the answer was both/and, not either/or. We pay taxes to BOTH God AND man.
2.) Which man would a woman be married to in the resurrrection - the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th. Yet another either/or question. Jesus answered in NEITHER/NOR fashion - She would be married to NEITHER the 1st, NOR the 2nd through 7th.
3.) Jesus asked the correct either/or question about John the Baptist, as the previous two questions asked of Him were incorrect either/or constructs. Jesus essentially said that John the Baptist either got his authority from EITHER God OR man.
Get wisdom people. It is lacking at FR.
Do I have to spell it out to you?
The final answer to all of this is a fusion of BOTH Calvinism AND Arminianism:
God sovereignly chose which universe He would create out of an infinite number of possible choices, but provided a way of salvation which we (through the free will given to us) either chose to accept or reject in this universe that He created.
And thus God's sovereignty is not undone, but neither is man's free will. There is a balance between the two. BOTH Calvinism AND Arminianism - fused together...
A college try, but I presume you really have not read Calvinist theology thoroughly. But more importantly is you claim God choose from an infinite number of possible universes. Is this true? Or, did God create the only possible world? Modern philosophers debated this question at length. You may want to research this question and then reconsider you propositions.
The question that SHOULD be asked: Did God know which choice we would make (as to salvation) when He created this universe and bring into existence that choice to be saved, or did He bring into existence His choice for whom He would save when He brought this universe into existence?
What level of sobriety were you at when you wrote this?
>>Calvinists should stop squandering their lives dealing with mediocre conservatives and form a radical vanguard of true believers!<<
Maybe it already happened...;)
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What level of sobriety were you at when you wrote this?<<
OK, that there is just funny no matter what you think theologically...
Hi, just read this thread from Two Years ago, and liked your comments.
I,too, must be among the unchosen throngs who, sadly, keep on trucking on, wrestling with things unseen, not of the flesh, striving with God as He strives with me...all the while I’m damned . Damned if I do, damned if I don’t. Kinda reminds me of what Paul said, that if there is no resurrection then Christians are the most pitied of all.
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