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Card. Meisner cites Pope Francis: No Communion for divorced, remarried
WDTPRS ^ | 12/24/2013 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 12/24/2013 10:43:18 AM PST by markomalley

A reader sent the following.  Cardinal Meisner of Cologne gave an interview to Deutschlandrundfunk.

You might be interested in this interview with Cardinal Meisner:

In his third answer, he says the following (it’s my translation in English, probably very bad):

“At my last meeting with Pope Francis, I had the opportunity to talk very open to him about a lot of things. And I told him that some questions remain unanswered in his style of spreading the gospel through interviews and short speeches, questions which need some extended explanation for people who are not so involved. The pope looked at me “with big eyes” and asked me to give an example. And my response was : During the flight back from Rio you were asked about people who divorced and remarried. And the pope responded frankly: People who are divorced can receive communion, people who are remarried can’t. In the orthodox church you can marry twice. And then he talked about mercy, which, according to my view, is seen in this country only as a surrogate for all human faults. And the pope responded quite bluntly that he’s a son of the church, and he doesn’t proclaim anything else than the teachings of the church. And mercy has to be identical with truth – if not, she doesn’t deserve that name. Furthermore, when there are open theological questions, it’s up to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to give detailed responses“.

From this we can perhaps glean that Pope Francis may not be entirely aware of the havoc (¿lío?) that some of his home-spun, off-the-cuff comments in the mainstream media have caused.

It would be interesting to see His Holiness’ reaction to the story about the Catholic school kids in Seattle protesting in favor of some homosexual thing while citing the phrase “Who am I to judge.”  The same for catholic politicians in Illinois citing the same when they passed same-sex marriage.

However, Pope Francis confirmed what I have been saying all along.  He is not going to “change” the Church’s teachings (as if he could).  Divorced and remarried?  No Communion.

Furthermore, Francis stressed the role of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.  He doesn’t sound like someone who wants to “devolve” the role of the Congregation to regional conferences.


TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: divorce; popefrancis

1 posted on 12/24/2013 10:43:18 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

There is the option for the remarried to
(1) live together as brother and sister, or
(2) arrange to have your ex die. That may be part of the justification for Obamacare denying care to sick people.


2 posted on 12/24/2013 10:52:11 AM PST by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be relearned.)
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To: markomalley

Nancy Pelosi will be offered communion by the Church.Something is very wrong.


3 posted on 12/24/2013 10:57:39 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: markomalley

Anyone opposed to divorce is welcome to spend a week with my ex-wife and then get back to me.


4 posted on 12/24/2013 10:57:46 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: markomalley

**However, Pope Francis confirmed what I have been saying all along. He is not going to “change” the Church’s teachings (as if he could). Divorced and remarried? No Communion.**

BTTT for the truth. Wondering if the lamestream media will announce this, too?


5 posted on 12/24/2013 11:07:26 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: donmeaker
(2) arrange to have your ex die.



No go.

Can. 1090 §1. Anyone who with a view to entering marriage with a certain person has brought about the death of that person’s spouse or of one’s own spouse invalidly attempts this marriage.
6 posted on 12/24/2013 11:08:38 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: markomalley
"And mercy has to be identical with truth – if not, she doesn’t deserve that name."

Did you notice that? Pretty good Francis quote, hey?

Or it's a Meissner-quoting-Francis-quote, which may or may not splooge a little in translation. Still, it's a good one. I'm gong to use it as one.

It's a good as Pope Benedict's "Forgiveness is not a substitute for justice." (Link)

7 posted on 12/24/2013 11:10:06 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("More honorable than the Cherubim, and more glorious, beyond compare, than the Seraphim....")
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To: markomalley

Deutschland drunk what?now that’s ASKIN’ to be misread.


8 posted on 12/24/2013 11:18:41 AM PST by pricilla (one should always try to be smarter than the equipment one is operating - Amajato)
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To: humblegunner

Not divorce. Divorce and remarriage.


9 posted on 12/24/2013 11:29:37 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Ex-wife was of such great influence, she not only made me a believer in divorce but also caused me to never again consider marriage.

So I guess I’m all good.


10 posted on 12/24/2013 11:37:00 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Or my ex-husband. Any Pope is welcome to him.


11 posted on 12/24/2013 11:44:08 AM PST by conservative cat
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To: humblegunner

Divorce is NOT the issue. Taking communion without the Church’s annulment is not allowed.

I know, some people cannot read, some are not Catholic and of course some people are simply SPECIAL.


12 posted on 12/24/2013 11:47:24 AM PST by DanZ
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To: humblegunner
Anyone opposed to divorce is welcome to spend a week with my ex-wife and then get back to me.

What did she do, post an excerpt from her blog?

; )

13 posted on 12/24/2013 11:58:47 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
What did she do, post an excerpt from her blog?

If there had been blogs back then.. she probably would have.

14 posted on 12/24/2013 12:03:32 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: markomalley

God ‘spiritually’ divorced the House of Israel. Any Christian worth their salt ought to know this.


15 posted on 12/24/2013 12:04:02 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: donmeaker
(1) live together as brother and sister

True, a Josephite marriage. Recommended highly.

16 posted on 12/24/2013 12:14:17 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

I don’t recommend marriage anymore.

Being married to the wrong person is miserable. American culture seems devoted to turning women into the kind of person you wouldn’t want to be married to.

I am glad for, and a bit jealous of, anyone whose experience is different.


17 posted on 12/24/2013 12:21:56 PM PST by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be relearned.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Any references of this?


18 posted on 12/24/2013 12:22:21 PM PST by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be relearned.)
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To: donmeaker
I don’t recommend marriage anymore.

I have long maintained that marriage, aside from religious reasons, is a foolish choice for any American man.

19 posted on 12/24/2013 12:38:23 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: donmeaker

Yes. Jeremiah 3:8. I am using an iPad and do not type well on it or else I would type out the decree. It is why Christ would send His elected disciples to but the ‘lost sheep of the House of Israel’, because part of their punishment was the removal of their memory of who they are. Matthew 10:6


20 posted on 12/24/2013 12:50:31 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: markomalley

I like Francis’s style. I enjoy seeing the modernists and other leftists and satanists given hope that they have prevailed over God and the Church only to be discombobulated when they read the whole sentence instead of just taking off with the first phrase so to speak.


21 posted on 12/24/2013 1:01:44 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: markomalley

Weird religion...

Queer sex???
No problem...Help yerself...
Pedophile???
Go for it...Eat all the wafers you want...
Baby Killer???
C’mon in...We have plenty of room...Help yourself to the ‘real’ pressense...

Wife dumped you because you would not do drugs and get drunk and was abusing your kids???
So you divorced and remarried a good Christian woman???
Well shame on you, you derelict...May God forever spit in your coffee...


22 posted on 12/24/2013 1:19:05 PM PST by Iscool
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To: donmeaker
Family arranged marriages as in traditional cultures work better than love matches for longevity. For most of the young love is a rationalization for sexual craving in the male which fades, often quickly or gets transferred to other targets once the original is conquered and filed. In a traditional match love is not a a large factor. Among the Vietnamese, the case with which I am familiar, marriage ideally is a business transaction between families. Love grows gradually in a transition from understood obligation. it is propinquity- the couple getting used to each other. In reality a couple may "fall in love" and the young man will prevail on his father to make an offer to the young woman's family. Marriage begins with the new wife moving into the in-laws' home and the new wife becoming essentially a slave to MIL for a time then when MIL decides that DIL is a competent wife and home manager, usually after about a year, and MIL relaxes and begins to turn over responsibilities to DIL. This never pertained in the US because we have always been a culture centered on the individual as the basic unit of society. Most of the rest of the world has the family as the basic unit. Neolocal domicile and the minimum nuclear family also are only practical in a relatively wealthy society where a new couple is usually able to afford a new house. Even in Việt Nam that traditional arrangement is being displaced by individual matches as the country gets wealthier, at least among the university students and young employees of large companies.
23 posted on 12/24/2013 1:24:47 PM PST by ThanhPhero (Khách sang La Vang hanh huong tham vieng Maria)
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To: Just mythoughts

I seem to see in verses shortly following it forgiveness, for G-d will not remain angry forever.

Jeremiah 3:18

“In those days the people of Judah will join the people of Israel, and together they will come from a northern land to the land I gave your ancestors as an inheritance.”


24 posted on 12/24/2013 1:31:49 PM PST by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be relearned.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

“Anyone opposed to divorce is welcome to spend a week with my ex-wife and then get back to me.

What did she do, post an excerpt from her blog?

; )”

lol good one


25 posted on 12/24/2013 1:38:07 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: donmeaker

Yes, forgiveness after repentance. We are not there yet.


26 posted on 12/24/2013 2:02:39 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

I submit that the reestablishment of Israel is evidence, if needed, that there has been repentence.

I have been told that the reestablishment of Israel was a divine miracle, in response to divine prophecy.

Now it might not be, but that is the tough thing about prophecy: if you write it down after it comes true, then it is less convincing. If you write it down before it comes true, and people work because of that to make it true, then it is less convincing.

To be really convincing you need to have a double blind: You have to make the prediction in the dark, then independently make the measurement. Like Schrodinger’s cat.


27 posted on 12/24/2013 2:32:38 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: Iscool

You’re weird.


28 posted on 12/24/2013 8:27:57 PM PST by RPTMS
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To: humblegunner

please send pictures first!!!!


29 posted on 12/24/2013 10:14:19 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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