Mormons VS Epic Black Guy

YouTube ^ | August 30, 2010 | papaseanx5

[Anton.Rutter]

Mormon missionaries on bicycles decide to proselytize the WRONG man...

[Elsie]

Might as well be wearing a colander for all the good it’s going to do.

Doesn't acolander let stuff leak out when used?

It appears that brain cells have seeped away from most all 'missionaries'.

[Elsie]

Looking through the spectacles I wear in 2013, I could equate the mormons, who seek the death, via war, of Americans, as do those that embrace Mohammedanism and Sharia Law!

And you would have VERY good reason to!

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

• Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

• Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

• Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

• As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

• Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

• Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

• Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

• Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

• Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

• Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.

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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.

[Elsie]

He actually thinks he is doing the right thing.

Maybe; maybe not.

He's only been at it 20-30 years...

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Mr. Millet:

 

I don't think we can ever transcend Joseph Smith or consider him to be a valued personality, but now we'll move on.

I don't think you'll see that among believers in the faith, because there are too many other things that came from him

that are the reasons why we do what we do and we are what we are. That there are unanswered questions, to be sure.

That there are things that I'm as anxious as the next guy to learn more detail on, I really want to know. But in the interim,

 it really doesn't, doesn't trouble me.

We're in the religion-making business, as you intimated earlier, only for a short time, I mean, compared to the

Christian church, which has been at this for a couple of millennia. We're about halfway to Nicaea.

And so, and so in that sense — I remember a very tender moment. I was speaking with — I've been invited

to the Salt Lake Theological Seminary, basically an Evangelical seminary, to discuss a book I had done on Jesus.

And they had read it, and they wanted me to come and just respond to questions.

And it was, it was a very enjoyable couple of hours.

 

The very last question that was asked by one of my friends there was this one.

 

He said, 'Bob, what can we do for you?'

 

And I, I wasn't ready for that question. I said, 'What do you mean?'

 

He said, 'What can we, as Evangelicals, do for our Mormon friends?'

 

And I, I guess my mind could have gone a hundred different ways, but what I came back with was this.

 

I said, 'Boy, I appreciate you asking that. I don't think I've ever been asked that.'

 

But, but I said, 'Try this. Cut us a little slack, will you? Give us a little time.

We're in the religion-making business, and this takes time. It takes centuries.

 

And, and trying to explain the faith and articulate the faith, that doesn't come over night.

We've really only been about that for 20 or 30 years.'

 

 

http://being.publicradio.org/programs/insidemormonfaith/transcript.shtml

[Elsie]

Was that a typo?

Did you mean raPid?

[terycarl]

I am not Mormon anymore nor do I follow any organized religion. I left the Church, all churches, over a decade ago and I never looked back. Articles like this remind me I made the right choice.

poor adjustment...there is a religion which is right for you, I have knowledge of what it is, but you have to decide that on your own....you don't reject God because some of his followers are jackasses....you search Him out and follow Him to the best of your ability....I'm certain that you want to enjoy eternal salvation, but you cannot afford to ignore Christ.....He will love you without condition, but it helps if you love and obey Him in return....I hope

[Elsie]

....I'm certain that you want to enjoy eternal salvation, but you cannot afford to ignore Christ... He will love you without condition, but it helps if you love and obey Him in return....

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John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

[Elsie]

I am not Mormon anymore nor do I follow any organized religion.

I doubt you can convince him to join your highly organized religion.

[terycarl]

I doubt you can convince him to join your highly organized religion.

shouldn't be too hard...Christ Himself organized it and He promised to be with her until the end of time.....name another religion that can make that statement......sorry, times up!!!!only Catholicism can make that statement and give biblical reference to the promise.....only the Catholic curch.....an easy choice for the ex-Mormon

[Elsie]

Why would he want to join one of the Whores of Babylon??

[Terry L Smith]

TY!! TennesseeNana!
And to think, we would have legitimized all of that ‘under the rug stuff’, with Romney!

[Tennessee Nana]

Willard Mitt Romney has been in major campaign mode since 1964 when Goldwater got 800+ votes and George Romney only got 40 at the GOP convention..

George stomped out of the convention in a tizzy followed by his weak impressionable teenage son Willard

Willard was groomed to be president since boyhood..

when George failed a 2nd time in 1968 to get the nomination, the baton was passed to Willard...

each time Willard starts his new effort he arranges some crisis to make him a victim of circumstances and to get a strong sympathy vote..

in these threads the RomneyBots are at work again slurring and attempting to sideline Conservative FReepers who refuse to vote for the liberal Willard...

happen in 2008 and lessened somewhat for 3 years to flame again for the 2012 campaign..

Willard is still running for POTUS..

[Finny]

"Rabid" is how you describe a series of informed, cited, thoughtful responses?

You had difficulty understanding the use of the word "pathetic" earlier, and now you wholly misuse the word "rabid."

DKC, if your understanding of the divide between Mormonism and Christianity is as flawed as your understanding of the English language, it's no wonder you're confused.

Just the same ... Happy New Year.

[DouglasKC]

wrote: "Rabid" is how you describe a series of informed, cited, thoughtful responses?

No, "rabid" is how I would describe being called "confused", "pathetic", cultic, and wanting to shoot a black man simply because I expressed my opinion on the demeanor and attitude of a guy in a video.

I guess we could add to the reams of material thrown at me for stating that opinion.

At any rate I was amazed at the intensity and the ferocity of the attacks.

[editor-surveyor]

Your Father Satan has helped you form your deluded choices.

Mormons worship a false ‘christ,’ the ascendant man of all new age fallacies.

[editor-surveyor]

Interesting, but I think they were fake mormons acting for the video. Otherwise, how fortuitous that someone was there to capture it on video, huh?

[editor-surveyor]

Where was the “bling?”

All I saw was a fancy cross on a chain.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “His arrogance was overwhelming. The message he was trying to communicate was overshadowed and diminished by his arrogance and his boasting.” <<

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You’re over reacting Doug.

His demeanor is just average northern city black man. In the inner city you have to be bold and confident or you will soon be a victim.

[DouglasKC]

You’re over reacting Doug. His demeanor is just average northern city black man. In the inner city you have to be bold and confident or you will soon be a victim.

Could be a mis-perception on my part. To me though it overshadowed whatever he was trying to communicate. It may be a cultural norm to behave that way but he should have been more like Paul..all things to all people.

[Anton.Rutter]

The global anti-mormon conspiracy /eyeroll

[Elsie]

Otherwise, how fortuitous that someone was there to capture it on video, huh?

Ask Obama about the selfie...