Why Anti-Catholic Prejudice Ought to Bother Everyone

http://www.nationalreview.com ^ | January 21, 2014 | Robert Barron

[Gamecock]

So many Calvinists have been sent to the outer darkness. Hard to believe anyone would believe we get a free pass.

[Gamecock]

Here’s a news flash. Cuomo attacked conservative Christians as well.

[Alex Murphy]

Honestly, imagine how evangelical freepers would react if protestant preachers were trashed this way. Suppose there's some headline about Billy Graham saying "Jews are my brothers and sisters", and Catholic freepers respond by ganging up on the thread to spew "Graham is a phony Christian" line of attack, claiming "Billy Graham is an IDIOT who has obviously NEVER read the bible and says its OKAY for his "friends" to reject Jesus!!" Somehow I doubt THAT kind of attack against would go over very well here.

Does it go over well? About as well as you might expect.

Does it happen here? Is the Pope Catholic?

[rbmillerjr]

“I concur. The examples given in the article are more anti-Christian than anti-Catholic.”

Specifically mentioning “Catholics”, sort of dispels that notion.

“Ms. Stiehm argued that the Supreme Court was dangerously packed with Catholics”

[Iscool]

Honestly, imagine how evangelical freepers would react if protestant preachers were trashed this way. Suppose there's some headline about Billy Graham saying "Jews are my brothers and sisters", and Catholic freepers respond by ganging up on the thread to spew "Graham is a phony Christian" line of attack, claiming "Billy Graham is an IDIOT who has obviously NEVER read the bible and says its OKAY for his "friends" to reject Jesus!!"

Interesting how Billy Graham is connected with Jews and your pope is connected with Izlamaniacs....But to get real with an analogy, if Billy Graham had told the people of the Buddhist religion to find God's peace and will in their beads, you can be sure Protestants would be all over him, unlike your religion with your pope...

[Gamecock]

I thought Roman Catholics claimed to be Christians. Well, some do anyway.

[Gamecock]

There have been more than a couple threads, started by Prods, calling out Billy.

[rbmillerjr]

Well, of course Gamecock. But the specific attack mentioned “Catholics”.

Alex, regarding Billy Graham, I only lurk on FR from time to time and lurk on the Religion Forum less...but in 14 years of lurking I can’t remember one attack on Billy Graham.

I’m not saying that there wasn’t an outlier attack or two, but I’ve never seen one in a decade and a half. Billy Graham has brought many souls to Jesus Christ and he is a model Christian preacher. His loss will be felt nationwide by many Catholics, as well.

[Iscool]

There have been more than a couple threads, started by Prods, calling out Billy.

To be sure...

[Alex Murphy]

Alex, regarding Billy Graham, I only lurk on FR from time to time and lurk on the Religion Forum less...but in 14 years of lurking I can’t remember one attack on Billy Graham. I’m not saying that there wasn’t an outlier attack or two, but I’ve never seen one in a decade and a half. Billy Graham has brought many souls to Jesus Christ and he is a model Christian preacher. His loss will be felt nationwide by many Catholics, as well.

I wasn't thinking attacks on Billy Graham per se, but try googling the phrase "Cult of Machen" and get back to me.

[Alex Murphy]

There have been more than a couple threads, started by Prods, calling out Billy.

And more than a couple calling him a heretic:
Christianity & The NWO - Connections between BIG Name Christians and Moonies
Clinton Honors Graham at Final Revival
Billy Graham's Disobedience to the Word of God
JOHN MACARTHUR AND THE BLOOD OF CHRIST?

[BillyBoy]

>> Interesting how Billy Graham is connected with Jews and your pope is connected with Izlamaniacs....But to get real with an analogy, if Billy Graham had told the people of the Buddhist religion to find God's peace and will in their beads, you can be sure Protestants would be all over him, unlike your religion with your pope.. <<

So lemme get this straight:

Buddhists reject Jesus and deny his divinity = Goin' to hell, any REAL Christian preacher would tell them that to their face and try to save their souls

Muslims reject Jesus and deny his divinity = Goin' to hell, any REAL Christian preacher would tell them that to their face and try to save their souls

Jews reject Jesus and deny his divinity = Who cares?! Jews can do whatever they want. They're role models for humanity and we must stand with Israel 100% of the time and heap praise on everything Jewish leaders says or do.

Sorry, if that's the protestant mindset, it makes no logical sense. EVERYONE should come to Jesus, whether they're Buddhist OR Jewish, but attacking them publicly for not accepting Jesus and telling them that their souls are damned isn't going to help. And the idea Jews are somehow exempt from being lectured makes even less sense. Plenty of Jews have been publicly anti-Christian and ridiculed Christianity, perhaps moreso than Buddhists.

[BillyBoy]

>> I concur. The examples given in the article are more anti-Christian than anti-Catholic. <<

The first example given in the article was specifically anti-Catholic (people arguing the Supreme Court is dangerously packed with Catholics, who have a terribly difficult time separating church from state and who just can’t refrain from imposing their views on others), whereas the second example (anyone who is pro-life on the issue of abortion or who is opposed to gay marriage is “not welcome” in New York.) could apply to Christians in general (although there are probably more Catholic Christians than Protestant Christians in NY that would be affected by Cuomo's comments)

In the case of the first example, even when you have a devoutly religious protestant judge that the secular media claims is violating "seperation of church and state" (most obviously example being the "ten commandments judge" on the Alabama Supreme Court), I have not seen people argue that he's unfit to be a judge simply because he's a practicing protestant Christian who abides by the teachings of his faith. However, you do see this line of attack used against Catholic judges (Scalia, Alito, Thomas, etc.)

[nickcarraway]

lol. The President has already basically said Catholics are not compatible with this country. And John Roberts implied that.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Further, the attitude demonstrated by the son of Mario Cuomo suggests that there is a short path indeed from the privatization of Catholic moral convictions to the active attempt to eliminate those convictions from the public arena.

Remember Neuhaus' Law: wherever orthodoxy is made optional it will eventually be proscribed.

It is true that traditional American anti-Catholicism dating back to the Founding was very enlightenment-based (unlike the theory of so many Catholic FReepers that "inbred morons from trailer parks" were solely responsible). However, I don't think you can blame the Founders for the attitudes of a Cuomo or any of the Kennedys. That is a home-grown problem that the Church has always refused to deal with, and still does.

[Salvation]

You may not know that Robert Barron is Father Robert Barron. I believe he was talking about the Catholic Church.

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[Alex Murphy]

Jews reject Jesus and deny his divinity = Who cares?! Jews can do whatever they want. They're role models for humanity and we must stand with Israel 100% of the time and heap praise on everything Jewish leaders says or do.

Sorry, if that's the protestant mindset, it makes no logical sense. EVERYONE should come to Jesus, whether they're Buddhist OR Jewish, but attacking them publicly for not accepting Jesus and telling them that their souls are damned isn't going to help. And the idea Jews are somehow exempt from being lectured makes even less sense. Plenty of Jews have been publicly anti-Christian and ridiculed Christianity, perhaps moreso than Buddhists.

To be fair, "who cares?" is only in some Protestants' mindset. You might be interested to read about "dual-covenant theology". I've posted a couple of threads about it in the past:
Hagee denies belief in 'dual covenant theology'
Ann Coulter and Dual Covenant Theology

[Iscool]

Sorry, if that's the protestant mindset, it makes no logical sense. EVERYONE should come to Jesus, whether they're Buddhist OR Jewish, but attacking them publicly for not accepting Jesus and telling them that their souls are damned isn't going to help. And the idea Jews are somehow exempt from being lectured makes even less sense. Plenty of Jews have been publicly anti-Christian and ridiculed Christianity, perhaps moreso than Buddhists.

Don't try to cover for you pope by making this about Jews...The Jews are God's chosen people and he has blinded their eyes til the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled...

And it's not about Protestants or even the muzlims...It's all about your pope...

[Iscool]

I have not seen people argue that he's unfit to be a judge simply because he's a practicing protestant Christian who abides by the teachings of his faith. However, you do see this line of attack used against Catholic judges (Scalia, Alito, Thomas, etc.)

That ought to be obvious...The Protestant isn't biblically ignorant enough to claim his denomination is the only, one, true denomination...

[wardaddy]

Isn’t Steihm a Jew?

Which is rich considering we have how many Jews on the court now?

3?

How many Brandeis seats are there now?

3 and counting.... they could at least hold one for Levin

How about a Billy Graham seat?

Man that woman as a Jew has a lot of gall to bitch about Catholics on the court

Does folks like her not realize their own petard