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Pope says its “absurd to love Christ without the Church, to listen to Christ but not the Church"
AsiaNews ^ | 01/30/2014

Posted on 01/30/2014 2:50:42 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM

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To: Biggirl
Well, I’ve got news for you. To stop showing error would be contrary to scripture.

2 Timothy 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

What you ask is against the admonition of scripture.

61 posted on 01/30/2014 4:54:39 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: RetiredArmy

Many protestant churches encourage, or agree to, second and third baptisms for newcomers, in there particular church.

You wouldn’t board the Ark, the OT prefigurement of the Church? (At the warning of the “man”, Noah.)

You wouldn’t “make straight the way of the Lord” and be baptized? (At the behest of a, “man”, named John the Baptist.)

Where do you not need “man” to be baptized, thereby saved? Please, find for me where you baptize yourself, hear your own confession, marry yourself, prepare the bread and wine and receive communion yourself, and of yourself, somewhere in the Bible.


62 posted on 01/30/2014 5:02:27 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Pope says its “absurd to love Christ without the Church, to listen to Christ but not the Church"
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63 posted on 01/30/2014 5:09:41 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Biggirl
Please prove what you say is true.

Just pick up any officially-approved Catholic bible and read the commentary. Or read some of Ratzinger's books.

Honestly, what universe are you people living in?

64 posted on 01/30/2014 5:37:19 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Pope says its “absurd to love Christ without the Church

So your pope says it's absurd for Protestants to love Christ without the Catholic Church...

I'm gettin' tired of all the Protestant bashing...Wah, Wah, Wah, Wah, Wah...It's just so mean...You guys hurt my widdle feelings...

65 posted on 01/30/2014 5:41:59 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Biggirl
Rather, it is time for those who have been as I call, my seperated brothers and sisters in the Lord to come home to the orginal megachurch.

That's just it...Those of us who are in the Lord can't come to your megachurch...

66 posted on 01/30/2014 5:46:38 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Biggirl
Please do not use the Bible to bash another Christian or Christian community. Thank-you.

If we did not, we would be out of the will of God...It is not bashing, however...It is reproving and rebuking...

67 posted on 01/30/2014 5:50:40 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

The Pope is wrong.

The church is us, the people, not a bureaucratic institution


68 posted on 01/30/2014 5:54:00 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: RitaOK

“Many protestant churches encourage, or agree to, second and third baptisms for newcomers, in there particular church”

Never heard of that.

If a Protestant who’s been baptized joins the Catholic church, will he be baptized again in the Catholic church?


69 posted on 01/30/2014 5:54:36 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: RitaOK
That is so understood that many protestants are baptized everytime someone finds a different church.

I'm not baptized every time someone finds a different church.

Seriously, quantify many.

70 posted on 01/30/2014 6:03:51 PM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: GeronL
The Pope is wrong.

The church is us, the people, not a bureaucratic institution

Act 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.

Who was scattered??? The church was scattered...Here, the 'church' moved out...They were scattered around the countryside but the (Catholic so called) magisterium wasn't with them...So we know the magisterium (apostles) were/are not the church...And an institution wasn't scattered all over the place...We can be sure, as you say, it is the people who are the church...

Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

Here again, the church is distinguished as the members of the church, the assembly...

But there are the beginnings of a Catholic like religion taking shape...

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Act_15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

That whole church thing is so self explanatory it doesn't even need a comment...

It pleased the apostles, elders and the whole church...An institution can't be pleased or displeased...The church clearly is the people that make up the Body of Christ...

1Co_12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

God set apostles in the church...The church that can be pleased and displeased...The apostles are not the church...The popes are not the church...The pastors are not the church...The church is not an institution...

The church is the assembly that makes up the body of Christ...

The bible will always correct the false Catholic religion and its popes...

71 posted on 01/30/2014 6:35:58 PM PST by Iscool
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To: RitaOK
many protestants are baptized everytime someone finds a different church

Really? You've attempted to join how many protestant churches, and been told "no, not without one of our baptisms" how many times?

72 posted on 01/30/2014 6:48:59 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Iscool; GeronL
>>Who was scattered???<<

You are correct.

The ekklesia, the assembly of believers was scattered. Not once in scripture is it shown that the assemblies are part of some large formal organization like the Catholic Church would have us believe.

73 posted on 01/30/2014 6:49:41 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Iscool

bump


74 posted on 01/30/2014 7:03:36 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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"It's absurd to love Christ without the Church, to listen to Christ but not the Church"

I wonder if he told these guys below the same thing?

The Archbishop of Buenos Aires kneels down to receive the "blessing" of Protestant ministers and Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa - Buenos Aires, 2006

75 posted on 01/30/2014 7:18:51 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ifinnegan; Gamecock; Alex Murphy

IFFINIGAN - The Catholic Church accepts any protestant baptism as sacramental, so long as the baptism was performed in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and also that there is proof, in the form of a written witness account, or verifiable document from the church community that this requirement was fulfilled.

GC & AM - I am surprised by the surprise, over the fact that more than one baptism is not uncommon in some protestant churches, either upon request by the newcomer, or by request/encouragement of the new church community, or pastor. Perhaps it is not as prevalent as it once was, but gee, it was a common occurrence in the past. My own relatives are but a few examples.


76 posted on 01/30/2014 8:10:11 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

Thanks for the reply.


77 posted on 01/30/2014 8:12:49 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: NKP_Vet

The Catholic Church is not a denomination. It is the Church.

The Church fell into corruption and rather than reform Holy Mother Church, those who fell instead into schism themselves began to divide, and divided and divided among themselves, becoming different “denominations” to tell each other apart. The Church of England, the Anglicans, the Lutherans, the Calvinists, the Methodists, altogether known as mainline denominations.

Eventually, from those denominations came the rest, down to now what has dissolved into non-denominational communities, who with street names; Posey Trail Christian Church on Posey Street. :)


78 posted on 01/30/2014 8:28:57 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Pope Francis said,"Fidelity to the Church, fidelity to its teaching; fidelity to the Creed; fidelity to the doctrine, safeguarding this doctrine. Humility and fidelity.

Fidelity to doctrine? He's got to be kidding!

The Vatican instruction regarding the washing of the feet on Holy Thursday that is found in the rubric of the Sacramentary states:

"Depending on pastoral circumstances, the washing of feet follows the homily. The men who have been chosen (viri selecti) are led by the ministers to chairs prepared at a suitable place. Then the priest (removing his chasuble if necessary) goes to each man. With the help of the ministers he pours water over each one's feet and dries them."

The words ('viri selecti') refers to only men.


79 posted on 01/30/2014 8:39:00 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: RitaOK; ifinnegan; Gamecock; Alex Murphy
Some Protestant denominations that re-baptize people include "Baptists", "Churches of Christ", some "Pentecostal Churches", "Seventh-Day Adventists", and quite a number of other Protestant denominations.

(See here for some examples.)

For converts entering the Catholic Church, if it is not certain whether they have received what the Catholic Church considers a "valid sacramental baptism", they may be given a "conditional baptism", which is seen as only effective if there had not been a previous valid baptism, and thus is not a "re-baptism".

80 posted on 01/30/2014 8:50:59 PM PST by Heart-Rest (Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Gal 6:7)
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