Posted on 02/15/2014 10:52:59 AM PST by NKP_Vet
But you know what they say about the genie being out of the bottle, ansel.
While I do not believe that abortion is the answer, forcing women to bear the children of rape also isn’t the answer.
Convincing them to do the right thing is the answer, and no, it isn’t likely that 100% of them will be convincible.
You make a pro-abortion argument and a dedicated defense of the pro-abortion laws that emerged when the left/libertarians made their huge gains in the 1960s and 1970s, but we managed to deal without abortion before you guys, and I think America can find a way to deal without again.
Yeah, it’s a problem - either support the child or support the Mother...a real problem actually and will continue to cause problems among those here.. Does it matter how or who started the process? Is a child started by rape less of a child? Do we take the opinion of the Mother in higher value than the life of this child? Really, it does become a question maybe requiring higher authority?
Beck also supports the homosexual agenda.
In time he will support amnesty if he doesn’t already.
No, what I have done is told you how to arrive at the solution you seek.
It seems to me that you don’t believe that you are capable of convincing raped women that bearing the child of their rapist and either raising it or adopting it is the right thing to do, so you intend to force them.
What that tells me is that you either don’t have faith in your ability to convince, or you don’t have faith in your position, or both.
So as a result you intend to find a way to tell them that you are going to do what I say or you are going to go to jail, and I am here to tell you that is never going to happen, nor should it.
When a girl or a woman is in such a situation, then more than ever they need to see, or be reminded of the beautiful side of life and love, and our society showing her concern and care, to help her with delivery and options for the child, is the best way to get her back to seeing the importance and value of life and of the bigger things, and of her own value to humanity.
Since all of this discussion is entirely theoretical, let me ask you and others a practical question.
Suppose that, in an imaginary future, you knew for certain that the Supreme Court of the day would declare a Federal statute constitutional banning all abortions beyond 12 weeks, except for pregnancies resulting from rape and incest.
Further suppose you were a congressman or U.S. Senator.
Would you vote for the law?
Abortion is still murder
I can see your pro-abortion passion, but I’m not convinced that you seriously believe that all we did for almost 200 years, until you guys broke out in the 60s, was threaten them with prison.
Yes, yes, ansel, I’m all for dead babies.
Dead babies are great. it’s too damn bad it doesn’t just rain dead babies right? That way we could have an endless supply of dead babies, because if anything can make anyone happy, it’s piles and piles and piles of dead babies.
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Apparently you like dead babies too, ansel. because the pro-life movement has had a essentially zero% success rate in stopping abortions.
Do you know why this is? It’s because you aren’t reasonable.
You take an all or nothing position, and what you have gotten is nothing, and that’s all you are ever going to get.
The isn’t a black and white issue, ansel. There are shades of grey whether you acknowledge them or not.
Until you realize that you are never going to get all of what you want, I guess you better be happy with getting nothing of what you want.
But you can continue to call me pro-abortion even though I have told you how to achieve what it is you want, but since you won’t or can’t do it, I guess it ain’t going to get done, now is it?
It is very black and white.
You are pro-abortion, and as that post proves, passionately pro-abortion.
I’m calmer than you because I remember how we used to handle such pregnancies, it was pretty simple and didn’t involve prison or abortion.
America being pro-life again is not impossible, nor undesirable.
ansel, you astound me with your idiotic name calling.
Good luck to you, you are certainly going to need it, because you clearly lack skill.
It’s not, Geron.
Why cannot those who favor the baby being born and raised not convince the mother of the righteousness of that position?
Why do they seek to use force of law?
Do you know what really bothers me about this, Geron? I’m going to tell you.
In a normal ideal situation, a man comes to a woman and says will you make a family with me. Do you view me as a good husband and a potential good father figure? Will you be my wife and the mother of our children?
He gets her consent, and then he proceeds.
The rapist, on the other hand, takes what he wants without regard to any consequence be it on her, or him or any potential baby that may be made in the process.
He does not get consent. He simply proceeds, and should a baby result from that act, he is basically saying you will be left with this burden to bear, it is yours to deal with, I’ll not be here.
Those who wish to then tell this victim you will bear this child are essentially doing the same thing.
They are in effect declaring her biological processes theirs, and directing her through force of law that she will proceed in this way whether she agrees to it or not.
What is the difference between what the rapist did and what the person telling her she must bear the child is doing?
I’ll tell you what the similarity is.
The similarity is that neither the rapist nor the person telling her she must bear the rapist’s child bothered to obtain her consent.
I can’t abide that.
What name calling?
You have an abortion position that you are arguing for on this thread, most of us disagree with your pro-abortion position.
Should we also try to reason with murderers instead of using force of law?
Here the point becomes moot. There will never be any law ever in the United States that would deny an abortion to any women impregnated by rape.
That really is a brilliant question, Jim Noble.
I expect that answer to that question from most people on this page is no.
All or nothing, but mostly nothing, since they will never get all.
It astounds me that people can’t or won’t go to these mothers and convince them to bear these babies. They do not want to take the time to obtain consent nor put forth the effort.
They just want to use force of law.
This tells me they don’t really want to be involved in the pain of such decisions. They just want it taken care of for them by some other device.
I find this highly problematic. It shows me a bunch of self righteous people who are beating their chests and touting a fantasy solution that will never happen while openly ignoring the only proper course of action, which is obtaining the consent of the mother that was originally denied her by her rapist.
I’m not pro-abortion.
That name calling.
I don’t think you are capable of understanding the thrust of my argument.
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