REALLY, CATHOLICS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE POPE'S INTERVIEW?

Southern Orders ^ | March 6, 2014 | Fr. Allan J. McDonald

[NYer]

It continues to amaze me how some Catholics (not all) and usually supposedly traditional Catholics, continue to nitpick what Pope Francis says and are as manipulative of what he says as the progressive media that does the same thing.

This is what the Pope said about true marriage and civil unions yestersday:

Marriage is between a man and a woman. Secular states want to justify civil unions to regulate different situations of cohabitation, pushed by the demand to regulate economic aspects between persons, such as ensuring health care. It is about pacts of cohabitating of various natures, of which I wouldn’t know how to list the different ways. One needs to see the different cases and evaluate them in their variety.

MY COMMENTS:

First the Holy Father makes clear that marriage is between a man and woman! Duh! But he knows the question is posed to him because there is great confusion in society today from those who are trying to redefine that which is already definitively defined and cannot be changed.

Then he says that secular states want to justify civil unions to regulate different situations of cohabitation, pushed by the demand to regulate economic aspects between persons, such as ensuring health care. (And yes, this is part of the states responsibility, but this is far from the Pope endorsing cohabitation in the sense of a sexual relationship. And he acknowledges that there are many forms of cohabitation--a single son with an elderly mother and he cares for as a son cares for a mother. Can cohabitation have the same civil protection economically in terms of health benefits, social security and the like? It is not a sexual union or cohabitation.)

Keep in mind, that the Church is opposed to legal divorce. In Italy the Church fought tooth and nail to prevent legal divorces. Was this good? My Italian mother and Canadian father, both conservative Catholics told me no!

The problem in Italy prior the the Council was that men would leave their wives and children and cohabitate with another woman. He became a deadbeat dad, did not support his wife or children because the legal aspects of the separation had not been addressed in a court of law for the protection of persons, children and property.

Civil divorce protects the parties who are divorcing and their children and possessions. It is the duty of the state to do this and enforce it. Not the Church.  The Church can only state that the civil union of divorced and remarried Catholics is not recognized by the  Church and that the initial marriage is the valid one until proven otherwise in an ecclesiastical court of law. 

So the Church, in terms of divorce and remarried couples, acknowledges today (not in the past) the need for civil unions to be regulated by the state to protect people and their civil rights. The Church does not acknowledge these civil unions as marriage and in fact says there is a public sin involved which prevents these couples from receiving Holy Communion if the union is sexual in nature, rather than fraternal.

[Alex Murphy]

we know what they call people that can't prove what they claim

"Assumers"?

[verga]

If you feel that applies to you, then fine.

[Gamecock]

Actually this year they seem to have several contenders. Just take a look at the Pope dropping the “F-Bomb” thread.

[RetiredArmy]

I have read more than “this media” friend. There are way too many other avenues that have covered what he said, and the attempts to re-write it afterwards. You keep following and believing as you will. I will continue to follow the Cross of Jesus Christ. Not some guy in a booth telling me my sins are forgiven. Wrong. Only Jesus Christ can do that and he DID NOT Delegate the responsibility to anyone else!

[redleghunter]

Seems there may be a history in the order. A Google book link let me know if you can access. Look for Jesuits on the page:

Stewart Grave Robbery

[redleghunter]

It is even more disheartening to witness this shameless display at the opening of Lent,

You can always give up FR and the internet for Lent.

[redleghunter]

The clear point is when the Pope opens his mouth to make a statement people are listening. Maybe he should address the things he actually has control over changing.

[verga]

Maybe he should address the things he actually has control over changing.

You mean lie the hearts and minds of God's people.

[redleghunter]

Well that one is easy. He should clearly state that if one wants a sodomite civil union the church doors are closed and then tell them why. Why he even addresses the secular gay unions is unknown other than trying to strike a cord of reconciliation. Well he should be the one man on earth who should know there is no reconciliation with sin. Meaning he cannot bring ‘sanctified’ sin into the church.

Maybe Pope Francis needs to hire me as an advisor. His current advisors stink from a theological and political standpoint.

[verga]

Meaning he cannot bring ‘sanctified’ sin into the church.

You mean like so many of the protestant ministers have done by allowing "weddings" and "unity ceremonies?

Maybe the prots need to heal themselves first before throwing rocks.

[Gamecock]

Ping me when the pope stops stealing from the dead and we’ll talk.

[verga]

Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, Oral Roberts, Yeah your house if clean of thieves.

[redleghunter]

You mean like so many of the protestant ministers have done by allowing "weddings" and "unity ceremonies?

You just can't stand it when others are trying to show agreement with you on moral issues. I do not fellowship with those who thumb their noses at God's Laws and established morality. I might be pointing out to you as well that those deceived Protestant churches which do allow gay cerimonies and unions started out with the same compromising language we are seeing from Pope Francis. So, in a few months maybe you will see what I am pointing out.

[redleghunter]

Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, Oral Roberts, Yeah your house if clean of thieves.

And please ping me when people defend the practices of the above.

[Gamecock]

Not im my church.

Go clean out all of the sodomizing priests and we’ll talk.

[Gamecock]

Not im my church.

Go clean out all of the sodomizing priests and we’ll talk.

[Alex Murphy]

Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, Oral Roberts, Yeah your house if clean of thieves.

Joe Biden, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, and John Kerry all say "hi", BTW.

[Gamecock]

CAPTION THIS PIC!

[metmom]

Did you or did you not make a false accusation to me?

No. I asked a question.

If you think that's an accusation, that is your problem, not mine.

Anyone that does not demonstrate Christian charity or humility is not a Christian.

Physician, heal thyself.

[Alex Murphy]

CAPTION THIS PIC!

It probably bothers Catholics more that Kerry's using his own hands to consume the wafer, rather than the more obvious fact that Kerry received the wafer at all.