Posted on 03/17/2014 6:09:45 AM PDT by marshmallow
BERLIN — The new leader of Germany’s Roman Catholic bishops is signaling support for allowing some divorced but remarried Catholics to receive Communion after a “penitential period.”
Cardinal Reinhard Marx, who also sits on a panel that helps advise Pope Francis on Vatican reform, was elected Wednesday to head the German Bishops’ Conference.
Church teaching holds that unless their first marriage is annulled, remarried Catholics can’t receive Communion or other sacraments. The church is now discussing anew how to handle such cases.
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So, if a person is divorced by his wife - She initiates the proceedings and forces the divorce the Church sees fit to punish the ex-husband? In old days it took a lot more to get divorced. Nowadays any beeyotch can divorce her husband and he gets screwed by the state and the Church.
(Spoken from the position of having been divorced for 4 years, and never remarried.)
(A paper on this sinful practice is given here)
Correction to typing error. that’s forty-two (42) years, not 4 years, in my Post #4.
We haven’t had a full fledged schism in centuries. Looks like the Germans are itching for one. But if they do go, will the Vatican do what’s right or simply tag along?
dirty little secret....those with connections and money can generally get an annulment, even under iffy circumstances.
Funny how the church leadership hid child sexual abuse, sent abusive priest to alternate parishes to offend again. Then many of the priest who sexually abused these children began a season of repentance, confession, reconciliation and returned to full communion.
All the while, these children grew up to become adults were sent into a lifetime of spiritual dysfunction, relational dysfunction, self medicating with drugs and alcohol. God forbid...one of them experience a divorce. Then they become outcast.
So, basically the priest who abused the kid is forgiven, the kid abused by the priest is not. Okie dokie then.
We won't mention the banking scandals and all the cover ups throughout church history....we will just focus on keeping folks trapped in a dungeon.
So much for the gift of grace, so much for the gift of forgiveness, mercy.
You sure do like straw-men. Good for you. Carry on.
Yes, I know. It happened to me. I filed for an annulment and waited and waited and waited. Nothing. I didn't have any money at the time and waited.
About six months after the priest I was "working" with supposedly filed the paperwork I got a letter from the Diocese. It said my ex was filing for an annulment (after I supposedly did) and would I like to participate? I sent a copy of all the stuff I gave to the priest and four weeks later I got the annulment.
My ex's family was/is loaded.
I don’t think this will happen. I think the media is giving us what they want.
So there's no problem with him receiving the Sacraments. He's in good standing because he upheld, and is upholding, the marriage bond.
Gospel Mk 10:1-12
Jesus came into the district of Judea and across the Jordan.
Again crowds gathered around him and, as was his custom,
he again taught them.
The Pharisees approached him and asked,
“Is it lawful for a husband to divorce his wife?”
They were testing him.
He said to them in reply, “What did Moses command you?”
They replied,
“Moses permitted a husband to write a bill of divorce
and dismiss her.”
But Jesus told them,
“Because of the hardness of your hearts
he wrote you this commandment.
But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female.
For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother
and be joined to his wife,
and the two shall become one flesh.
So they are no longer two but one flesh.
Therefore what God has joined together,
no human being must separate.”
In the house the disciples again questioned Jesus about this.
He said to them,
“Whoever divorces his wife and marries another
commits adultery against her;
and if she divorces her husband and marries another,
she commits adultery.”
I will agree that the present canonical situation in the USA is a hell of a mess. But it's not because of connections and money (ask Joe Kennedy.) It's because anyone with a $300 annulment filing fee -- or down to $0 if you're poor --- can generally get an annulment if they're willing to perjure themselves and claim psychological incapacity at the time of the vows.
But it escapes me what the Church could do about that. Maybe Cardinal Kasper will tell us.
:o/
True penance must include a firm resolution to sin no more, i.e. stop committing adultery in violation of a marriage that remains intact despite a civil divorce.
Why the deception...Your religion is full of deception...How many Catholics are there that if only they would check the scriptures would see that your religion is lying to them???
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Why are you participating in this deception???
“Porneia” which your translation gives as “fornication” refers to an illicit relationship between the man and woman who divorce, not adultery in violation of the marriage. To read it otherwise would make no sense to the reply of our Lord.
How bout, if you cause any of these little ones to sin, you may as well tie a millstone around your neck and cast yourself into the sea.
So...which is it? Is the pope infallible or not? If church leaders hid child sexual abuse...then why are they not standing on the edge of the sea with millstones tied to’em?
Why are there STILL to this day, pedophile priest among the ranks of the clergy? Why is there STILL to this day a large homosexual mafia within the church? Are they going to be purged?
My point is:
God's grace is for everyone...not just the perfect. Not just for those who obtain a state of grace through a few hail Mary's and a confessional. God's mercy extends to those who've made bad choices, not just for those who work the parking lot on Sunday or serve as the squared away lay member.
Speaking of the holy queen, where on earth do you guys get this from. Referring to Mary as an advocate? Where is this stuff in scripture...the church just made this stuff up.
How bout the pagan practices still in use today within the church. You'd think by now the pope would recognize such heresies and purge the church of them. But hey, no ones perfect...not even the pope.
It's not only my translation, it the Catholic Douay translation as well...
Your explanation doesn't make much sense to me...If a man or woman fools around after the divorce then it is adultery???
We battle not against flesh and blood. satan works day and night to deceive folks into thinking of God as an angry, vengeful entity ready to poof folks into a pillar of smoke it they do not toe the line.
Why did Jesus come? If God is still judging us according to our sins, then why did Jesus suffer and die?
I dunno, just seems like the catholic church is still attempting to keep folks blind of the real gospel message. Not unlike the days clergy punished severely those who obtained a copy of the bible translated from Latin. After all, only clergy could interpret holy scripture.
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