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Pope Francis declares (via Twitter), ‘Inequality is the root of social evil’
Twichy ^ | 4/28/14

Posted on 04/28/2014 8:25:07 PM PDT by DaveMSmith

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TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; equality; francis; incomeinequality; incomeredistribution; inequality; marxism; piketty; pope; popefrancis; socialist; thomaspiketty; vatican
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1 posted on 04/28/2014 8:25:07 PM PDT by DaveMSmith
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To: DaveMSmith

You mean inequity, Papa.


2 posted on 04/28/2014 8:27:33 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: DaveMSmith
What, pray tell, is "inequality?"

If everyone is handed the same number of pesos or rubles or kroner, does that end "inequality?"

Or do some people deserve more pesos or rubles or kroner than others because they have more "needs?"

Or should all income be turned over to the central government so they can determine who deserves what?

3 posted on 04/28/2014 8:27:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: DaveMSmith
IB4TPWMA
4 posted on 04/28/2014 8:28:45 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: DaveMSmith

On wag retwitted it with the comment “He seems to talk like Jesus!”

the naivete of these armchair theologians was to be expected.


5 posted on 04/28/2014 8:30:34 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: DaveMSmith

He sure talks like a Communist.


6 posted on 04/28/2014 8:31:31 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: DaveMSmith

Great and now we can hear all of the back tracking and explaining just what precisely this socialist meant


7 posted on 04/28/2014 8:32:57 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: DaveMSmith
Inequality? Can I be a Pope? How about a runway model? A brain surgeon? 6 feet tall?

If we were meant to be equal, we would not have been created so uniquely.

8 posted on 04/28/2014 8:34:36 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (No Mo (zilla). I'm going to the Opera instead.)
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To: All

And here I thought it was the LOVE OF MONEY for some strange reason. How did I get it so wrong?


9 posted on 04/28/2014 8:34:36 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Nifster

You should have posted a spoiler alert before posting that.


10 posted on 04/28/2014 8:35:35 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

“And here I thought it was the LOVE OF MONEY for some strange reason. How did I get it so wrong?”

Probably you were quoting Paul and the Bible instead of Karl Marx and The Communist Manifesto.


11 posted on 04/28/2014 8:38:02 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: DaveMSmith

If Il Papa intends this statement to be a barb against some race, he would benefit by learning a lot more about the Arabian people.


12 posted on 04/28/2014 8:42:14 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: BipolarBob

I always thought pride and envy were the root of social evil.


13 posted on 04/28/2014 8:42:30 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Argus

equality IS EVIL. It is as unnatural as perversion.


14 posted on 04/28/2014 8:46:01 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: DaveMSmith

Forced Equality was the root of evil in the 20th Century.


15 posted on 04/28/2014 8:47:19 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of ingtheir political choices.")
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To: DaveMSmith
"Social" evil?

Hearken back to Genesis - was "inequality" the root of the Fall? Was "inequality" the cause of Cain slaying Abel?

Someone please elucidate me - my country is rapidly going down the tubes and now my Faith is doing the same.

I guess I should bitch and moan about not getting into an elite University. Why? because my skin is the wrong color and I have this thing between my legs about which I am not embarrassed or confused.

Obviously I am not "nuanced" enough to make my way in this Brave New World that glorifies sodomy, treason and the destruction of Western Civilization.

Still, I will stand and bear Witness.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

16 posted on 04/28/2014 8:48:19 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: DaveMSmith

Even if we were to accept this simple statement, can anyone suggest a cure, a way to force equality of all peoples, that isn’t worse than the alleged problem? I respectfully submit that permitting all people to strive to achieve their individual goals , limited only to prevent harm to others, is the best attainable social policy ( with, yes, a “ safety net” for those who are genuinely unable to contribute sufficient goods or services to others so that they may sustain themselves decently, such as the seriously disabled). Trying to force equality necessitates a confiscatory police state. Also, it fails to recognize that not all people have the same goals - nor does everybody value the same things in life. People are not cattle or sheep. Indeed, we are taught that God’s given each of us different gifts and abilities and talents... And that God hopes we will each make good use of what he’s given us
And, that God loves each of us as individuals with free will— He did not design us as identical clones all confirming to one cookie- cutter design for life. As (a practical as well as) a spiritual matter, people’s individualities require recognition, appreciation, and the liberty of expression in this life.


17 posted on 04/28/2014 8:50:23 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: DaveMSmith
His mouth is at least big enough for 10 normal popes. When he speaks or twitters about this kind of stuff (social justice issues) he's just another dude spouting off -- not speaking for or changing the doctrine of the Catholic Church. Wish he'd shut up (if reported correctly).

If you read the actual position of the Church on the issues you will find it is all common sense, down-to-earth stuff we'd all agree with.

18 posted on 04/28/2014 8:50:23 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: DaveMSmith

Give it a rest Frank.

(lighten up Francis)


19 posted on 04/28/2014 8:51:33 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (luke 6:38)
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To: DaveMSmith

So I guess he’s going to support a a woman to follow in his Pope footprints?


20 posted on 04/28/2014 8:53:28 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: DaveMSmith

“Catholic social ministry begins and ends with Jesus Christ,” he said. “If it doesn’t, it isn’t Catholic.”

~Archbishop Chaput


21 posted on 04/28/2014 8:58:33 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DaveMSmith

Idolatry of equality!

The doctrine of equality! There exists no more poisonous poison: for it seems to be preached by justice itself, while it is the end of justice.

Friedrich Nietzsche
on
equality


22 posted on 04/28/2014 9:02:00 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: Argus

‘I always thought pride and envy were the root of social evil.’

I am thinking all these social medias are the root of evil. They are like meth. They make everyone stupid. I know all will say, “NO, it only reveals the stupidity.” Maybe so but it causes everyone to blurt what is in their dumb brains.

If truly said by the Pope, he is wrong, proving my theory that if we get 50 percent correct of what we say in life we are doing good. All of us Christians need to stay with what the Bible says. Pride, envy, love of money....their the ones, read about them.


23 posted on 04/28/2014 9:02:47 PM PDT by taterjay
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To: BipolarBob; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; CynicalBear; ...
And here I thought it was the LOVE OF MONEY for some strange reason. How did I get it so wrong?

That is because you are engaging in "private interpretation," which cannot give you assurance of Truth, for which you need the pope and his magisterium.

And which we see his interpretation of in this statement.

And which charge of like "inequality" the devil basically used in trying to climb up some other way, as he saw his exclusion from the throne of God as "inequality," and then worked the same mentality nto Eve, that she was suffering from inequality since God excluded her from being like God. Which the devil saw God as keeping him from. (Is. 14; Gn. 3)

And in which we see the first "Occupy (the throne) movement," and the first"share the wealth" campaign.

24 posted on 04/28/2014 9:03:04 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: DaveMSmith

No offense, but logically extrapolated, God’is evil because God as no problem with one person having more or less than another. It’s the greed and the coveting and the stealing and everything rooted in all that that is the problem.

Jesus said the poor will always be with us. I guess Jesus is a bad guy too because He didn’t make everyone exactly equal in everything. If inequality is terrible, any and all forms of it are terrible. God didn’t make us all equal in every talent and ability and inheritance, so it must be His fault.

I am not dazzled by His biblical briliance on this one.


25 posted on 04/28/2014 9:06:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: DaveMSmith
I can appreciate the Pope's desire to improve the lives of the less fortunate. However, there will always be the haves and have nots in the areas of love, money, knowledge, beauty, physical strength, athletic ability, mental and emotional capabilities.

Why not focus on the real issue - saving souls? Best to know Jesus twenty years too early than twenty seconds too late.

26 posted on 04/28/2014 9:11:41 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: DaveMSmith

Wow. So I guess he’s a socialist?

Rush is going to be all over this one.


27 posted on 04/28/2014 9:22:07 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: DaveMSmith

In order to eradicate inequality one has to take ones neighbor’s property and that’s coveting.

Exodus 20:17
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.


28 posted on 04/28/2014 9:30:56 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: DaveMSmith
As a confirmed Catholic I was taught the Pope is infallible.

But it's this kind of thing (Communism) and open borders, not to mention the pedophilia cover-ups that caused me to leave the Church.

Now I think of her as Mystery.

29 posted on 04/28/2014 9:34:31 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: steve86
"If you read the actual position of the Church on the issues you will find it is all common sense, down-to-earth stuff we'd all agree with. "

Uh, not likely.

The Catholic Church supports Amnesty in the US, supports Obamacare (as long as they get an exception for BC and Abortion), wealth redistribution etc.

30 posted on 04/28/2014 9:38:53 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Uh, you're confusing lip moving by liberal U.S. bishops and priests with Catholic doctrine, which doesn't have any thing to do with U.S. politics, and preceded it by centuries and millennia.
31 posted on 04/28/2014 9:43:25 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: DaveMSmith

This man and his words hold no meaning or importance to me other than to note that we are moving backwards as a species at shocking speed.


32 posted on 04/28/2014 9:52:53 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
What, pray tell, is "inequality?"

Not loving your neighbor as yourself.

33 posted on 04/28/2014 9:58:17 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: faithhopecharity
Even if we were to accept this simple statement, can anyone suggest a cure, a way to force equality of all peoples, that isn’t worse than the alleged problem? I respectfully submit that permitting all people to strive to achieve their individual goals , limited only to prevent harm to others, is the best attainable social policy ( with, yes, a “ safety net” for those who are genuinely unable to contribute sufficient goods or services to others so that they may sustain themselves decently, such as the seriously disabled). Trying to force equality necessitates a confiscatory police state. Also, it fails to recognize that not all people have the same goals - nor does everybody value the same things in life. People are not cattle or sheep. Indeed, we are taught that God’s given each of us different gifts and abilities and talents... And that God hopes we will each make good use of what he’s given us. And, that God loves each of us as individuals with free will— He did not design us as identical clones all confirming to one cookie- cutter design for life. As (a practical as well as) a spiritual matter, people’s individualities require recognition, appreciation, and the liberty of expression in this life.

Dear Pope Francis, READ THAT

34 posted on 04/28/2014 10:15:49 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: DaveMSmith

He is doing to the Catholic church what Obama is doing to the US.


35 posted on 04/28/2014 10:27:33 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: DaveMSmith

please let it be a misquote.


36 posted on 04/28/2014 10:27:58 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: DaveMSmith

Socialist Pope.


37 posted on 04/28/2014 10:29:59 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Mariner

The Pope is infallible regarding faith and morals, when proposing the Church’s teaching to be believed with divine faith.

This isn’t it. And the political positions of the lefties who have been appointed as bishops in the U.S. aren’t it.

No stupid bishops and no stupid Pope are going to drive me out of the Catholic Church. They are merely a scourge that I am going to survive.


38 posted on 04/28/2014 10:32:15 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I saw a poster once which said something to the effect of *What is fair is not giving everyone the same thing, but giving everyone what they need to succeed*.

Nobody and nothing is equal and ever will be. It can’t be done.

People need to get their eyes off themselves and perceived offenses and get them on Jesus.


39 posted on 04/28/2014 10:32:45 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: DaveMSmith; All
??? So a baby born with Downs Syndrome is evil? A 3 year old with cancer is evil? The fact that I don't live in the Vatican, with gold faucets and priceless works of art, an infinite supply of money and power, makes me evil? Inequality is not evil. God makes each and every one of us different. We are all unequal by design! Until Pope Francis sells all of the Vatican and then distributes it equally to everyone on earth, then maybe I'll take heed of what he just tweeted. I'm confused....
40 posted on 04/28/2014 10:35:35 PM PDT by An American in Turkiye
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To: steve86; Mariner
Uh, you're confusing lip moving by liberal U.S. bishops and priests with Catholic doctrine, which doesn't have any thing to do with U.S. politics, and preceded it by centuries and millennia.

Well, *official* Church doctrine is meaningless if nobody is going to act on it.

What is important is what we have to live with, which we get from the decisions that these bishops and priests who you say aren't representing church doctrine are making.

So in reality, I don't think anyone gives a rip about *official* church doctrine which exists in some fantasy land somewhere but certainly does not come into effect in the real world.

We don't live hypotheticals. We live in the reality of the fallout of what REALLY happens, not what's supposed to happen.

41 posted on 04/28/2014 10:43:38 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Mygirlsmom
If we were meant to be equal, we would not have been created so uniquely.

Great observation.

Have you noticed that when people are made to wear uniforms, they all want to add a touch of individualty; but when people are rewarded for their individuality, liberals want them all to be uniform?

-PJ

42 posted on 04/28/2014 10:46:07 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: DaveMSmith

In our Constitution, equality referred to how government is supposed to treat the citizens. The rest of life will be chock full of inequities.


43 posted on 04/28/2014 10:51:44 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: DaveMSmith

Ps: as someone who’s complained about the gross over- length of some theological treatises, the Holy Father’s tweet raises exactly the opposite issue. Perhaps it is impossible to include the necessary nuance to properly frame and qualify broad theological ( or vast socioeconomic) pronouncements in a maximum- of -140 - character Tweet? Just asking. No offense Intended. And if this be true, then mightn’t it be wiser to issue any such epistles in a more traditional format, one no so circumscribed and constraining of careful clarity and thus, accuracy?


44 posted on 04/28/2014 11:03:24 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: DaveMSmith

“income inequality” bump


45 posted on 04/28/2014 11:19:03 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: DaveMSmith; E. Pluribus Unum; Tzimisce; Mygirlsmom
Inequality of opportunity. Opportunity to rise up based on your hard work and skills

That opportunity is taken away by Democrat programs

In a true godly society, the well-off take care of the poor, not some impersonal government -- like in the old days where the rich felt the need to look after their poor brethren. In today's world it is "not my problem --it's the gubmint's problem to take care of the homeless"

46 posted on 04/28/2014 11:50:53 PM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: ConorMacNessa
Conor -- your faith is not going down hill. Firstly, this is of course a twitter moment, not a ex cathedra one, so it is highly simplified

Secondly, we all need the opportunity to improve ourselves -- that's what made America great, where a person whose parents were sharecroppers could grow up to be rich, or where a person whose parents were filthy rich could grow up to be poor

47 posted on 04/28/2014 11:53:51 PM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

....right, I’m sure that’s what he meant...


48 posted on 04/29/2014 12:00:55 AM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: DaveMSmith

So now the Cathokic church is the propaganda wing for socialism? Amazing.


49 posted on 04/29/2014 4:09:16 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: DaveMSmith

It’s statements like this that are emptying out the pews.


50 posted on 04/29/2014 4:57:21 AM PDT by Salvey
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